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Post by fantasticalice on Feb 29, 2020 8:15:24 GMT
Disclaimer: This isn't against anybody btw. Hopefully I pointed out some good examples. (and also I am not a huge fan of shipping culture either. And I honestly prefer Leela and Romana as lifelong friends, sisters even) I've said this before and I'll say it again. Why don't we see close, intimate friendships between women in fiction that are not romantic or sexual in nature anymore? Or that fans wish were romantic. It's a pet peeve of mine. Most women (straight or gay) have very meaningful and important friendships with other women that never stray into the romantic. These friendships are extremely complex, important and very common, yet as soon as two women get close in a fictional story people automatically think it's a romantic relationship. Is this just how male writers see women? I have to say as a woman and a fan I miss seeing these kind of complex relationships. This is one of the reasons I loved ATA Girl. Yes, there was a romance going on in one story, but for the most part they were women that worked and relied on each other in incredibly stressful situations and developed an intimacy with each other that people outside of that situation could never understand. I find the idea of Liv and Helen becoming romantic much less interesting and more limiting than the two of them having a close, intimate friendship. Addendum (and afterthought): That's one of the great things about the Constance/Flip relationship. Two very different women traveling with the Doctor who have developed a wonderful friendship and closeness that was completely unexpected. I miss those two, and I'm glad we'll be getting them back soon. Ref the highlighted comment, I think it's a tad unfair. I honestly don't think it's a case of anyone making blanket assumptions about any two women who happen to get close - just that there seems to be something between these two particular characters who happen to be female. I'm not - and I don't think anyone else on this forum is - going around posting about romantic relationships between Flip and Constance, Tegan and Nyssa, Peri and Erimem, Ace and Benny, Leela and Romana, Nyssa and Hannah, Vienna and whatshername, etc, which you would expect if we thought two women travelling together and/or getting close inevitably meant a romantic relationship was developing.
Some see potential romantic feelings in the relationship, other don't. We could have the same debate about Jamie and Victoria or Avon and Cally in Blake's 7.
Agreed. Leela and Romana have one of the most complicated, honest, and powerful friendships throughout Big Finish. Even if there could be something else it's a very strong and powerful friendship. Nyssa and Tegan, although their bond is not as strong as Leela and Romana they constantly support each other and although i wish they had more scenese together they try to highlight their growing friendship.... especially in the Older Nyssa trilogy. Flip and Constance is so cute it even gets twee on occasion. Molly and Liv. Peri and Erimem was surprisingly deep writing for Big Finish at the time. River and a majority of female characters she has worked with. She has been flirtatious on occasion but her special with Leela was amazing. The only female female relationship Big Big Finish has ever really written with subtext is Liv and Helen. It has a lot to do with the fact Helen is gay. Liv has been clarified bts as pansexual. And as for every woman woman relationship being romantic.mm That is the strangest thing I have ever heard. BBC gets ridiculous amounts of complaints every time two gay people are on screen, I was viciously bullied for Liking Bill Potts and we still have a noticeable issue in TV of gay people getting killed. All of the CW superhero shows are overflowing with woman friendships. Green Arrow and the Canaries is based around female friendships. The central relationship in Batwoman is about Sisters. Nancy Drew's whole concept is based on female friendships. so is Sabrina.(and of course her nb pal, Theo) Riverdale has a lot of focus on Betty and Veronica. I could do this qll day. Lesbian romance is still uncommon. Big Finish has more gay characters than any other fictional "universe" and still has strong female relationships built over dozens of releases. Big Finish is the only "franchise" that actually has enough gay characters that I actually feel normal. The only one. Because they actually have enough lgbt characters throughout their releases that LGBT folk can be anyone without it feeling abhorrent. Good, Evil, dead, alive, happy, or miserable. Big Finish is the only company that actually has enough LGBT representation that they can write those characters like any other character. It's pretty amazing. And um... Gay woman can have close strong friendships before AND after qe are romantically involved with someone. Madam Vastra and Jenny actually have a rather interesting dynamic on that level. I've been out for 15 years and we aren't yet close to media in general having anything close to consistent representation for people like me. Also if it seems like a lot of people want to see 2 women in a romance it's because it's still uncommon for it to happen randomly within q show the way it does with straight couples. There are countless BTS stories of them putting two characters together because they have great chemistry. This happens in just about every kind of show from comedy to drama. But it doesn't happen with two people of the same gender. Sometimes the crew of a program will split up 2 people of thw same gebder because of great chemistry. But bottom line it happens constantly in TV shows of them making a relationship happen because the actors work well together. But not if it would be a gay relationship. I am really excited about Rebecca Root coming to Stranded. She can be really adorable when she wants to and I would love to see her dating Helen or Liv. Although people think it might be Liv I honestly think if she dates a companion it will be Helen. Helen came from 1963 and has most likely been closeted her entire life. The idea that she could actually go out in public with another woman would be absolutely amazing to her. It's amazing to me. I know I will get dirty looks and maybe harassment but I can still go out in public. And more importantly I know dozens of restaurants where I can go, on a date, and be completely safe and accepted. Going to dinner with another woman would make Helen lose her job in 1963. The idea of a 1963 lesbian being able to live in 2020... I really hope they explore that.
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Post by fantasticalice on Feb 29, 2020 8:18:41 GMT
To chime in on this discussion, as someone who holds slightly different opinions on the matter of romance in Doctor Who and shipping, I would like to say that (and yes I know this is a very controversial topic in the Doctor Who community) I don’t have any problems with romance in Doctor Who weather it be Doctor/companion or Companion/ companion. I personally never saw why it’s considered taboo or creepy, for anyone including the Doctor, to have a romantic relationship. Yes, the Doctor is an alien but shouldn’t even they be aloud to have a significant other or have feelings other than just friendship? Yes the Doctor may process emotions differently but surely stories with romance in them should be allowed to be explored?I think it’s silly to put a big sign up that says:”No Hanky Panky in the TARDIS!”, when this limits what kind of emotions and stories can be told. I do agree with everyone that it’s highly valuable to have platonic non romantic friendships as well in Doctor Who, I mean who doesn’t love the friendships between: Tegan and Nyssa, 7 and Ace, 10 and Donna, and 12 and Bill?!😊 not every friendship is romantic in nature, but that doesn’t make them any less valuable! After all I love all of my friends but I don’t fancy any of them romantically! That being said I also am not completely against shipping, so long as (and this is the important part): 1.It is done respectively, and no one is hurt by the ship. 2.There is evidence within the work it’s self that those two characters are attracted to each other romantically. 3. The characters are both consenting adults. The trick is in any work of fiction including Doctor Who is for there to be the right balance between all different kinds of relationships: romantic, and non romantic friendships! Disclaimer: It’s absolutely okay if you vocally disagree with everything I am saying here! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions! After all the world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed with everything everyone else said! I am just simply expressing my own opinions on the matter being discussed (shipping and romance in Doctor Who) since I think sharing opposing view points are valuable in any discussions😉 I am not vocally against it. In some cases it is okay. In the end, I found it quite cute in the Xfiles for example.
But a ship between the Doctor and a companion just feels uncomfortable for me. There have been made horror movies about exactly that type of thing... And it IS an inter-species relationship of species as vastly different like Colin's human/ sheep example.
Which is I think exactly the reason I feel massively uncomfortable with this.
The Doctor is in a dominant role, he should be older and wiser and he most definitely knows that a relationship between a near immortal and a human cannot work. And it should also not be done, because it is massively unfair to the human and will only inflict pain in the Time Lord. It can only ever be tragic.
For someone several hundred years old, this should be clear and honestly, he should be above that. He should not abuse the trust and be aware that he will be very desirable and attractive to young humans, especially if he is as good looking as some of the Doctors really are! This is why I think stories like "Scherzo" are so important and really bring the massage home.
Plus, there are people out there who are asexual or demisexual and cannot experience these things like "normal" people... and for these people, it will always be difficult to get into the shipping mindset.
What would be so wrong about having the Doctor as a asexual or demisexual hero? In my personal head canon, this is how I always pictured him.
And people like that can still be happy and they just do not feel the need for all this business. And they can still have fulfilled lives and normal friendships.
Where does this need for romantic involvement come from? It is just not my cup of tea at all.
So please do not take this as a personal opposition against you- just my own opinion. That is one of the most fascinating and nuanced perspectives on not wanting the Doctor with companions I've seen in a while. I have always been a bit averse to it myself but you have given me some interesting perspective on this.
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Post by fantasticalice on Feb 29, 2020 8:30:54 GMT
Ref the highlighted comment, I think it's a tad unfair. I honestly don't think it's a case of anyone making blanket assumptions about any two women who happen to get close - just that there seems to be something between these two particular characters who happen to be female. I'm not - and I don't think anyone else on this forum is - going around posting about romantic relationships between Flip and Constance, Tegan and Nyssa, Peri and Erimem, Ace and Benny, Leela and Romana, Nyssa and Hannah, Vienna and whatshername, etc, which you would expect if we thought two women travelling together and/or getting close inevitably meant a romantic relationship was developing.
Some see potential romantic feelings in the relationship, other don't. We could have the same debate about Jamie and Victoria or Avon and Cally in Blake's 7.
I've seen plenty shipping of Tegan and Nyssa, Peri and Erimem, Ace and Benny, and especially Leela and Romana in the fandom. I'm sure if we dug deep enough we'd find some for Flip and Constance too. I think elka's point was that from the very beginning people were shipping Liv and Helen rather than paying attention to their friendship and that's a genuine shame because despite my boredom with this team, it genuinely shines when it doubles down on the idea of being three best friends traveling time and space. Like I said in my post I love seeing a friendship and even seeing something that makes me wonder. I didn't see them that way and there is this speech from Liv in DC 3 or 4 about River that I listened to...and was suddenly(wait, what???) It was the way the lines were delivered and suddenly I started paying attention to clues. But i always saw Liv as the one that may have had a thing for Helen. And since that line was in DC3 or 4 I was rather surprised to find out people had been "shipping" them. As for me there was nothing in DC1 and I didn't notice anything specific in DC2. It would be interesting to see if Helen starts dating Tania. In Ravenous 3 and 4 Liv does some things that really upset Helen so although I think the emotions are there on Liv's side I think Helen is less likely to see it. Especially when an adorable cute as a bug lady like Tania shows up and possibly chats her up. Seriously, Boy Meets Girl wasn't my kind of show but Rebecca Root is so ridiculously adorable in it. If you like rom coms definitely give it a watch between Doctor Who on britbox.
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Post by elkawho on Feb 29, 2020 16:41:00 GMT
Disclaimer: This isn't against anybody btw. Hopefully I pointed out some good examples. (and also I am not a huge fan of shipping culture either. And I honestly prefer Leela and Romana as lifelong friends, sisters even) Agreed. Leela and Romana have one of the most complicated, honest, and powerful friendships throughout Big Finish. Even if there could be something else it's a very strong and powerful friendship. Nyssa and Tegan, although their bond is not as strong as Leela and Romana they constantly support each other and although i wish they had more scenese together they try to highlight their growing friendship.... especially in the Older Nyssa trilogy. Flip and Constance is so cute it even gets twee on occasion. Molly and Liv. Peri and Erimem was surprisingly deep writing for Big Finish at the time. River and a majority of female characters she has worked with. She has been flirtatious on occasion but her special with Leela was amazing. The only female female relationship Big Big Finish has ever really written with subtext is Liv and Helen. It has a lot to do with the fact Helen is gay. Liv has been clarified bts as pansexual. And as for every woman woman relationship being romantic.mm That is the strangest thing I have ever heard. BBC gets ridiculous amounts of complaints every time two gay people are on screen, I was viciously bullied for Liking Bill Potts and we still have a noticeable issue in TV of gay people getting killed. All of the CW superhero shows are overflowing with woman friendships. Green Arrow and the Canaries is based around female friendships. The central relationship in Batwoman is about Sisters. Nancy Drew's whole concept is based on female friendships. so is Sabrina.(and of course her nb pal, Theo) Riverdale has a lot of focus on Betty and Veronica. I could do this qll day. Lesbian romance is still uncommon. Big Finish has more gay characters than any other fictional "universe" and still has strong female relationships built over dozens of releases. Big Finish is the only "franchise" that actually has enough gay characters that I actually feel normal. The only one. Because they actually have enough lgbt characters throughout their releases that LGBT folk can be anyone without it feeling abhorrent. Good, Evil, dead, alive, happy, or miserable. Big Finish is the only company that actually has enough LGBT representation that they can write those characters like any other character. It's pretty amazing. And um... Gay woman can have close strong friendships before AND after qe are romantically involved with someone. Madam Vastra and Jenny actually have a rather interesting dynamic on that level. I've been out for 15 years and we aren't yet close to media in general having anything close to consistent representation for people like me. Also if it seems like a lot of people want to see 2 women in a romance it's because it's still uncommon for it to happen randomly within q show the way it does with straight couples. There are countless BTS stories of them putting two characters together because they have great chemistry. This happens in just about every kind of show from comedy to drama. But it doesn't happen with two people of the same gender. Sometimes the crew of a program will split up 2 people of thw same gebder because of great chemistry. But bottom line it happens constantly in TV shows of them making a relationship happen because the actors work well together. But not if it would be a gay relationship. I am really excited about Rebecca Root coming to Stranded. She can be really adorable when she wants to and I would love to see her dating Helen or Liv.
Although people think it might be Liv I honestly think if she dates a companion it will be Helen.
Helen came from 1963 and has most likely been closeted her entire life. The idea that she could actually go out in public with another woman would be absolutely amazing to her.
It's amazing to me. I know I will get dirty looks and maybe harassment but I can still go out in public. And more importantly I know dozens of restaurants where I can go, on a date, and be completely safe and accepted.
Going to dinner with another woman would make Helen lose her job in 1963. The idea of a 1963 lesbian being able to live in 2020...
I really hope they explore that.To be fair, I only find that this is recent thing, maybe 5 years or so? So characters that have been around for a while are different. I don't hate the idea of Liv or Helen having relationships, straight or gay if it fits their characters. In fact I love what you wrote about Helen and I completely agree. My initial post was in regard to people wishing Liv and Helen would get together. I even would end up being ok with that if it was done well, although I'm much happier to see Helen find her own relationship outside of the Tardis. And I'm also happy to have Rebecca Root join the cast. As I've said before, the more they release details about the cast and the characters, the more I'm looking forward to this release.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 29, 2020 17:58:02 GMT
Out of interest, have we ever had any kind of confirmation that Helen is in fact a lesbian?
I’ve always seen her as a gay woman, but I don’t actually recall any explicit dialogue or even anything behind the scenes saying she is. It’s mainly just subtext. Like her being an unmarried feminist woman in her 30s during the 1960s who’d rather spend her time following a male dominated career than submit to societal expectations, but then that would also be something of a stereotypical view.
And I guess also the fact that Helen has never had a love interest, and all of her deepest relationships are with women like Liv and River. Especially as in Ravenous 1, they subverted the Beauty and the Beast trope by making Helen more of a maternal influence on the Eleven as opposed to a romantic one.
Personally I’m not really into shipping either, especially when characters are forced together for the sake of it or because they’re the same sex (Looking at you Thasmin) but personally I have seen a lot subtext between Liv and Helen beginning in the latter half of Doom Coalition as fantasticalice mentioned, but then also moving forward into Ravenous as well. The cafe scene in Escape From Kaldor stands out to me as a particularly understated romantic moment between the pair.
I think I’ve always seen Liv and Helen (I started with Doom Coalition 4) as another Ian/Barbara or Ben/Polly. One of those duos with such deep chemistry that the two together are almost considered just one companion because you can’t have one without the other. And they always have this romantic tension throughout their time with the Doctor, but it’s never explicitly romantic until they leave the TARDIS and end up together.
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Post by ljwilson on Feb 29, 2020 18:57:34 GMT
I know know I'm from a different generation, in my world shipping is a maritime way of moving goods and freight large distances!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 19:18:32 GMT
I know know I'm from a different generation, in my world shipping is a maritime way of moving goods and freight large distances! We need a new thread for all this talk: "The Shipping Forecast".
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Post by number13 on Feb 29, 2020 20:56:00 GMT
I know know I'm from a different generation, in my world shipping is a maritime way of moving goods and freight large distances! We need a new thread for all this talk: "The Shipping Forecast".
Why is the TARDIS Stranded on our Fair Isle?
Will Helen or Liv find a Sole mate? Is the Curator really the Forth? Will the crew be caught in a Fastnet of evil schemes? Can they save the world again - or is it really FinisTerre this time?
(EDIT: I doubt that meant *anything beyond NW Europe! but for BBC Radio 4 listeners the Shipping Forecast of sea conditions in different areas is a litany even a landlubber like me can recite... Hebrides, Bailey, Fair Isle, Faroes, North Utsira, South Utsira...
* I thought of putting another one in just there but decided it sounded a bit too rude )
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 21:33:05 GMT
We need a new thread for all this talk: "The Shipping Forecast".
Why is the TARDIS Stranded on our Fair Isle?
Will Helen or Liv find a Sole mate? Is the Curator really the Forth? Will the crew be caught in a Fastnet of evil schemes? Can they save the world again - or is it really FinisTerre this time?
(EDIT: I doubt that meant *anything beyond NW Europe! but for BBC Radio 4 listeners the Shipping Forecast of sea conditions in different areas is a litany even a landlubber like me can recite... Hebrides, Bailey, Fair Isle, Faroes, North Utsira, South Utsira...
* I thought of putting another one in just there but decided it sounded a bit too rude ) That's right number13. For years it was/has been comfort late night listening for night owls. Landlubbers (ah - see you used it as well!) next to a warm heater listening to a description of stormy seas and dangers of shipwrecks from the comfort of an old comfy chair. The reassuring preserve of men in sheds all over, and not just the old Sinbad's with a pipe and memories in the service... Or we could call it Slash Fiction...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 22:03:09 GMT
Disclaimer: This isn't against anybody btw. Hopefully I pointed out some good examples. (and also I am not a huge fan of shipping culture either. And I honestly prefer Leela and Romana as lifelong friends, sisters even) Agreed. Leela and Romana have one of the most complicated, honest, and powerful friendships throughout Big Finish. Even if there could be something else it's a very strong and powerful friendship. Nyssa and Tegan, although their bond is not as strong as Leela and Romana they constantly support each other and although i wish they had more scenese together they try to highlight their growing friendship.... especially in the Older Nyssa trilogy. Flip and Constance is so cute it even gets twee on occasion. Molly and Liv. Peri and Erimem was surprisingly deep writing for Big Finish at the time. River and a majority of female characters she has worked with. She has been flirtatious on occasion but her special with Leela was amazing. The only female female relationship Big Big Finish has ever really written with subtext is Liv and Helen. It has a lot to do with the fact Helen is gay. Liv has been clarified bts as pansexual. And as for every woman woman relationship being romantic.mm That is the strangest thing I have ever heard. BBC gets ridiculous amounts of complaints every time two gay people are on screen, I was viciously bullied for Liking Bill Potts and we still have a noticeable issue in TV of gay people getting killed. All of the CW superhero shows are overflowing with woman friendships. Green Arrow and the Canaries is based around female friendships. The central relationship in Batwoman is about Sisters. Nancy Drew's whole concept is based on female friendships. so is Sabrina.(and of course her nb pal, Theo) Riverdale has a lot of focus on Betty and Veronica. I could do this qll day. Lesbian romance is still uncommon. Big Finish has more gay characters than any other fictional "universe" and still has strong female relationships built over dozens of releases. Big Finish is the only "franchise" that actually has enough gay characters that I actually feel normal. The only one. Because they actually have enough lgbt characters throughout their releases that LGBT folk can be anyone without it feeling abhorrent. Good, Evil, dead, alive, happy, or miserable. Big Finish is the only company that actually has enough LGBT representation that they can write those characters like any other character. It's pretty amazing. And um... Gay woman can have close strong friendships before AND after qe are romantically involved with someone. Madam Vastra and Jenny actually have a rather interesting dynamic on that level. I've been out for 15 years and we aren't yet close to media in general having anything close to consistent representation for people like me. Also if it seems like a lot of people want to see 2 women in a romance it's because it's still uncommon for it to happen randomly within q show the way it does with straight couples. There are countless BTS stories of them putting two characters together because they have great chemistry. This happens in just about every kind of show from comedy to drama. But it doesn't happen with two people of the same gender. Sometimes the crew of a program will split up 2 people of thw same gebder because of great chemistry. But bottom line it happens constantly in TV shows of them making a relationship happen because the actors work well together. But not if it would be a gay relationship. I am really excited about Rebecca Root coming to Stranded. She can be really adorable when she wants to and I would love to see her dating Helen or Liv.
Although people think it might be Liv I honestly think if she dates a companion it will be Helen.
Helen came from 1963 and has most likely been closeted her entire life. The idea that she could actually go out in public with another woman would be absolutely amazing to her.
It's amazing to me. I know I will get dirty looks and maybe harassment but I can still go out in public. And more importantly I know dozens of restaurants where I can go, on a date, and be completely safe and accepted.
Going to dinner with another woman would make Helen lose her job in 1963. The idea of a 1963 lesbian being able to live in 2020...
I really hope they explore that.To be fair, I only find that this is recent thing, maybe 5 years or so? So characters that have been around for a while are different. I don't hate the idea of Liv or Helen having relationships, straight or gay if it fits their characters. In fact I love what you wrote about Helen and I completely agree. My initial post was in regard to people wishing Liv and Helen would get together. I even would end up being ok with that if it was done well, although I'm much happier to see Helen find her own relationship outside of the Tardis. And I'm also happy to have Rebecca Root join the cast. As I've said before, the more they release details about the cast and the characters, the more I'm looking forward to this release. I have to wonder how much of this phenomenon (TV Tropes calls it Pair the Spares) is also down to that Hollywood "boy meets girl, boy wins girl by end of film" mentality that was pushed for decades and decades. It was a pretty consistent trope for a long time. The two leads were seen to get together regardless of whether or not it actually suited their characters. Not exactly welcomed, but expected by audiences. Somewhere along the line, I can't say where exactly (though it seems to have solidified by the late Marvel era), people seem to have gotten fed up with it. It's appearing less and less these days as the "default" ending, which is nice, we've gotten friendships like Steve and Natasha that way. I know know I'm from a different generation, in my world shipping is a maritime way of moving goods and freight large distances! Despite knowing it all my life, I had to look the origins of this word up. In this context, it was originally a shortening of the term "relationshipper" and seems to have come into existence in the early 90s or thereabouts. Likely with the advent of The X-Files and early forms of the internet. Since then, the word's been pared down to two syllables (relationshipper, r'shipper, shipper) and transformed into a verb (to ship). Despite its non-nautical origins, maritime puns abound aplenty because... well, we're writers. Puns are our lifeblood.
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Post by constonks on Mar 1, 2020 1:06:12 GMT
Out of interest, have we ever had any kind of confirmation that Helen is in fact a lesbian? The only line I recall is when River notes that Helen is attracted to her Rita Hayworth disguise.
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Post by number13 on Mar 1, 2020 1:50:45 GMT
Why is the TARDIS Stranded on our Fair Isle?
Will Helen or Liv find a Sole mate? Is the Curator really the Forth? Will the crew be caught in a Fastnet of evil schemes? Can they save the world again - or is it really FinisTerre this time?
(EDIT: I doubt that meant *anything beyond NW Europe! but for BBC Radio 4 listeners the Shipping Forecast of sea conditions in different areas is a litany even a landlubber like me can recite... Hebrides, Bailey, Fair Isle, Faroes, North Utsira, South Utsira...
* I thought of putting another one in just there but decided it sounded a bit too rude ) That's right number13. For years it was/has been comfort late night listening for night owls. For me, it means a 5 minute interlude in the Test Match! R4LW provided most of my cricket listening until digital R5SX, and still does when in the car, and every day just before 6 pm (as one of the team used to say) 'And now Radio 4 Long Wave listeners go over to the High Seas and the Shipping Forecast'
(This thread has gone so far off topic it's practically in sea areas Biscay or South-East Iceland by now, sorry folks.)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 4:46:23 GMT
That's right number13. For years it was/has been comfort late night listening for night owls. For me, it means a 5 minute interlude in the Test Match! R4LW provided most of my cricket listening until digital R5SX, and still does when in the car, and every day just before 6 pm (as one of the team used to say) 'And now Radio 4 Long Wave listeners go over to the High Seas and the Shipping Forecast' (This thread has gone so far off topic it's practically in sea areas Biscay or South-East Iceland by now, sorry folks.) Ah, yes. Lost at sea. Aloof. Adrift... One might nearly say, stranded.
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Post by Digi on Mar 1, 2020 5:40:28 GMT
For me, it means a 5 minute interlude in the Test Match! R4LW provided most of my cricket listening until digital R5SX, and still does when in the car, and every day just before 6 pm (as one of the team used to say) 'And now Radio 4 Long Wave listeners go over to the High Seas and the Shipping Forecast' (This thread has gone so far off topic it's practically in sea areas Biscay or South-East Iceland by now, sorry folks.) Ah, yes. Lost at sea. Aloof. Adrift... One might nearly say, stranded. *groaaaaaan*
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 6:09:58 GMT
Ah, yes. Lost at sea. Aloof. Adrift... One might nearly say, stranded. *groaaaaaan* I expect to be topped within the day. Either by a pun or for the pun, whichever comes first.
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 10, 2020 15:41:21 GMT
Out of interest, have we ever had any kind of confirmation that Helen is in fact a lesbian? The only line I recall is when River notes that Helen is attracted to her Rita Hayworth disguise. That is the only one I can think of, and that is why I personally think the writers'/producers' intention is that Helen is a lesbian. The way River said it ... I think she really meant it as opposed to just being flippant.
Of course, it could mean Helen is bisexual or pansexual rather than homosexual
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 27, 2020 10:29:12 GMT
“The Doctor and friends face their greatest challenge yet: living one day after another, in 2020 London.”
Big Finish couldn’t have foreseen how 2020 would transpire. I wonder if they will change any reference to the year in the promotion and if necessary within the audio?
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Post by kastoniago on Mar 27, 2020 10:40:24 GMT
“The Doctor and friends face their greatest challenge yet: living one day after another, in 2020 London.” Big Finish couldn’t have foreseen how 2020 would transpire. I wonder if they will change any reference to the year in the promotion and if necessary within the audio? “The Doctor and friends face their greatest challenge yet: living one day after another, in 2020 London... In one house, in one bedroom, wearing hazmat suits, eating fruit from a can - This truly will be the Doctor's most epic adventure to date!"
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 27, 2020 19:04:22 GMT
“The Doctor and friends face their greatest challenge yet: living one day after another, in 2020 London.” Big Finish couldn’t have foreseen how 2020 would transpire. I wonder if they will change any reference to the year in the promotion and if necessary within the audio? Maybe that is the reason they pushed out some of the release dates?
Because they had to make changes?
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