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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Feb 25, 2020 9:11:47 GMT
I am not into fanfic or other fan forums, so I personally have never come across the shipping of other female characters that you mention. I have no doubt however that what you say is correct and there is pkenty of it about. Some people's minds work that way, each to their own. But I just object to being characterised as someone who thinks like that about any female characters who become close, just because in this one instance I thought, maybe wrongly as it turns out, that BF were heading in a particular direction with these 2 (female) characters. I'm sorry if you thought I was singling you out lidar2 . That's wasn't my intention. You were not the only one making those comments, and I've seen them on this forum in the past as well. It was more a general comment about the trend. It isn't just in Doctor Who, either. I am not a reader of fanfic because I do not like the "shipping" mentality. (Or even the word. Ugh.) I am not averse to a love story or a romantic comedy, but there are so many varied relationships that 2 characters can have. I just never understood the need for fandom to create romantic relationships between characters, or the fact that most (but not all) of these are same sex relationships. And it seems lately that these fanfic type of relationships are popping up in canon in some places. One that irks me (and isn't same sex) is the Spock/Uhura relationship in the new Star Trek movies. One of many things that has completely ruined them for me. I really enjoy the friendship between Helen and Liv. Yes, if BF decided to take them in a romantic direction, so be it. I was just hoping they wouldn't. And I hope they make it worth it! Not put those two together because they can.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 25, 2020 19:57:06 GMT
Oh god, yes, I agree with all of you against the shipping. I have never been a shipper. I find the whole business of shipping a bit hard to grasp- because I am not like that in real life, I assume. I also totally share Colin's opinion on Doctor/ companion shipping who thinks it is ridiculous- The Doctor is an alien, and this is as if Colin would fall in love with a sheep. Yeah, totally with you on that one, Colin, it is VERY creepy. As for companion shipping... also not really necessary. I personally also can have friendships with people without wanting to sh*g everybody I meet. Or maybe I am just weird? Who knows.
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Post by timegirl on Feb 25, 2020 21:13:26 GMT
To chime in on this discussion, as someone who holds slightly different opinions on the matter of romance in Doctor Who and shipping, I would like to say that (and yes I know this is a very controversial topic in the Doctor Who community) I don’t have any problems with romance in Doctor Who weather it be Doctor/companion or Companion/ companion. I personally never saw why it’s considered taboo or creepy, for anyone including the Doctor, to have a romantic relationship. Yes, the Doctor is an alien but shouldn’t even they be aloud to have a significant other or have feelings other than just friendship? Yes the Doctor may process emotions differently but surely stories with romance in them should be allowed to be explored?I think it’s silly to put a big sign up that says:”No Hanky Panky in the TARDIS!”, when this limits what kind of emotions can be explored and what stories can be told.
I do agree with everyone that it’s highly valuable to have platonic non romantic friendships as well in Doctor Who, I mean who doesn’t love the friendships between: Tegan and Nyssa, 7 and Ace, 10 and Donna, and 12 and Bill?!😊 not every friendship is romantic in nature, but that doesn’t make them any less valuable! After all I love all of my friends but I don’t fancy any of them romantically! That being said I also am not completely against shipping, so long as (and this is the important part): 1.It is done respectively, and no one is hurt by the ship. 2.There is evidence within the work it’s self that those two characters are attracted to each other romantically. 3. The characters are both consenting adults.
The trick is in any work of fiction including Doctor Who is for there to be the right balance between all different kinds of relationships: romantic, and non romantic friendships!
Disclaimer: It’s absolutely okay if you vocally disagree with everything I am saying here! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions! After all the world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed with everything everyone else said! I am just simply expressing my own opinions on the matter being discussed (shipping and romance in Doctor Who) since I think sharing opposing view points are valuable in any discussions😉
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 25, 2020 21:31:18 GMT
To chime in on this discussion, as someone who holds slightly different opinions on the matter of romance in Doctor Who and shipping, I would like to say that (and yes I know this is a very controversial topic in the Doctor Who community) I don’t have any problems with romance in Doctor Who weather it be Doctor/companion or Companion/ companion. I personally never saw why it’s considered taboo or creepy, for anyone including the Doctor, to have a romantic relationship. Yes, the Doctor is an alien but shouldn’t even they be aloud to have a significant other or have feelings other than just friendship? Yes the Doctor may process emotions differently but surely stories with romance in them should be allowed to be explored?I think it’s silly to put a big sign up that says:”No Hanky Panky in the TARDIS!”, when this limits what kind of emotions and stories can be told. I do agree with everyone that it’s highly valuable to have platonic non romantic friendships as well in Doctor Who, I mean who doesn’t love the friendships between: Tegan and Nyssa, 7 and Ace, 10 and Donna, and 12 and Bill?!😊 not every friendship is romantic in nature, but that doesn’t make them any less valuable! After all I love all of my friends but I don’t fancy any of them romantically! That being said I also am not completely against shipping, so long as (and this is the important part): 1.It is done respectively, and no one is hurt by the ship. 2.There is evidence within the work it’s self that those two characters are attracted to each other romantically. 3. The characters are both consenting adults. The trick is in any work of fiction including Doctor Who is for there to be the right balance between all different kinds of relationships: romantic, and non romantic friendships! Disclaimer: It’s absolutely okay if you vocally disagree with everything I am saying here! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions! After all the world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed with everything everyone else said! I am just simply expressing my own opinions on the matter being discussed (shipping and romance in Doctor Who) since I think sharing opposing view points are valuable in any discussions😉 I am not vocally against it. In some cases it is okay. In the end, I found it quite cute in the Xfiles for example.
But a ship between the Doctor and a companion just feels uncomfortable for me. There have been made horror movies about exactly that type of thing... And it IS an inter-species relationship of species as vastly different like Colin's human/ sheep example.
Which is I think exactly the reason I feel massively uncomfortable with this.
The Doctor is in a dominant role, he should be older and wiser and he most definitely knows that a relationship between a near immortal and a human cannot work. And it should also not be done, because it is massively unfair to the human and will only inflict pain in the Time Lord. It can only ever be tragic.
For someone several hundred years old, this should be clear and honestly, he should be above that. He should not abuse the trust and be aware that he will be very desirable and attractive to young humans, especially if he is as good looking as some of the Doctors really are! This is why I think stories like "Scherzo" are so important and really bring the massage home.
Plus, there are people out there who are asexual or demisexual and cannot experience these things like "normal" people... and for these people, it will always be difficult to get into the shipping mindset.
What would be so wrong about having the Doctor as a asexual or demisexual hero? In my personal head canon, this is how I always pictured him.
And people like that can still be happy and they just do not feel the need for all this business. And they can still have fulfilled lives and normal friendships.
Where does this need for romantic involvement come from? It is just not my cup of tea at all.
So please do not take this as a personal opposition against you- just my own opinion.
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Post by timegirl on Feb 25, 2020 21:34:15 GMT
To chime in on this discussion, as someone who holds slightly different opinions on the matter of romance in Doctor Who and shipping, I would like to say that (and yes I know this is a very controversial topic in the Doctor Who community) I don’t have any problems with romance in Doctor Who weather it be Doctor/companion or Companion/ companion. I personally never saw why it’s considered taboo or creepy, for anyone including the Doctor, to have a romantic relationship. Yes, the Doctor is an alien but shouldn’t even they be aloud to have a significant other or have feelings other than just friendship? Yes the Doctor may process emotions differently but surely stories with romance in them should be allowed to be explored?I think it’s silly to put a big sign up that says:”No Hanky Panky in the TARDIS!”, when this limits what kind of emotions and stories can be told. I do agree with everyone that it’s highly valuable to have platonic non romantic friendships as well in Doctor Who, I mean who doesn’t love the friendships between: Tegan and Nyssa, 7 and Ace, 10 and Donna, and 12 and Bill?!😊 not every friendship is romantic in nature, but that doesn’t make them any less valuable! After all I love all of my friends but I don’t fancy any of them romantically! That being said I also am not completely against shipping, so long as (and this is the important part): 1.It is done respectively, and no one is hurt by the ship. 2.There is evidence within the work it’s self that those two characters are attracted to each other romantically. 3. The characters are both consenting adults. The trick is in any work of fiction including Doctor Who is for there to be the right balance between all different kinds of relationships: romantic, and non romantic friendships! Disclaimer: It’s absolutely okay if you vocally disagree with everything I am saying here! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions! After all the world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed with everything everyone else said! I am just simply expressing my own opinions on the matter being discussed (shipping and romance in Doctor Who) since I think sharing opposing view points are valuable in any discussions😉 I am not vocally against it. In some cases it is okay. In the end, I found it quite cute in the Xfiles for example.
But a ship between the Doctor and a companion just feels uncomfortable for me. There have been made horror movies about exactly that type of thing... And it IS an inter-species relationship of species as vastly different like Colin's human/ sheep example.
Which is I think exactly the reason I feel massively uncomfortable with this.
The Doctor is in a dominant role, he should be older and wiser and he most definitely knows that a relationship between a near immortal and a human cannot work. And it should also not be done, because it is massively unfair to the human and will only inflict pain in the Time Lord. It can only ever be tragic.
For someone several hundred years old, this should be clear and honestly, he should be above that. He should not abuse the trust and be aware that he will be very desirable and attractive to young humans, especially if he is as good looking as some of the Doctors really are! This is why I think stories like "Scherzo" are so important and really bring the massage home.
Plus, there are people out there who are asexual or demisexual and cannot experience these things like "normal" people... and for these people, it will always be difficult to get into the shipping mindset.
What would be so wrong about having the Doctor as a asexual or demisexual hero? In my personal head canon, this is how I always pictured him.
And people like that can still be happy and they just do not feel the need for all this business. And they can still have fulfilled lives and normal friendships.
Where does this need for romantic involvement come from? It is just not my cup of tea at all.
So please do not take this as a personal opposition against you- just my own opinion. That’s fair enough, it’s interesting to hear and share different view points 🤔😊
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 21:36:30 GMT
Romance in the TARDIS? My view is, does it have any relevance to the story? If it does, then fine. If it doesn't, leave it out.
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Post by tuigirl on Feb 25, 2020 21:39:56 GMT
Romance in the TARDIS? My view is, does it have any relevance to the story? If it does, then fine. If it doesn't, leave it out. The voice of reason. From a Dalek, no less. Good point.
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Post by timegirl on Feb 25, 2020 22:01:10 GMT
Romance in the TARDIS? My view is, does it have any relevance to the story? If it does, then fine. If it doesn't, leave it out. The voice of reason. From a Dalek, no less. Good point.
I agree that is a good point 😉 and a good rule of thumb for any fiction 🤔😊
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Post by Digi on Feb 25, 2020 23:20:08 GMT
Romance in the TARDIS? My view is, does it have any relevance to the story? If it does, then fine. If it doesn't, leave it out. I’m not a ‘shipper’ by any stretch of the imagination (even the word makes my eyes roll involuntarily), but romance can be a story entirely unto itself. I’d even suggest that that’s exactly the case with River — the story is the romance, the business with the library and the angels and all the rest, that’s just window dressing for the love story.
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Post by timegirl on Feb 25, 2020 23:26:22 GMT
Romance in the TARDIS? My view is, does it have any relevance to the story? If it does, then fine. If it doesn't, leave it out. I’m not a ‘shipper’ by any stretch of the imagination (even the word makes my eyes roll involuntarily), but romance can be a story entirely unto itself. I’d even suggest that that’s exactly the case with River — the story is the romance, the business with the library and the angels and all the rest, that’s just window dressing for the love story. I also agree with this 😊 I think there are other examples of this in the whoniverse as well, 9/10 and Rose comes to mind🤔😊
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 23:56:30 GMT
To chime in on this discussion, as someone who holds slightly different opinions on the matter of romance in Doctor Who and shipping, I would like to say that (and yes I know this is a very controversial topic in the Doctor Who community) I don’t have any problems with romance in Doctor Who weather it be Doctor/companion or Companion/ companion. I personally never saw why it’s considered taboo or creepy, for anyone including the Doctor, to have a romantic relationship. Yes, the Doctor is an alien but shouldn’t even they be aloud to have a significant other or have feelings other than just friendship? Yes the Doctor may process emotions differently but surely stories with romance in them should be allowed to be explored?I think it’s silly to put a big sign up that says:”No Hanky Panky in the TARDIS!”, when this limits what kind of emotions and stories can be told. I do agree with everyone that it’s highly valuable to have platonic non romantic friendships as well in Doctor Who, I mean who doesn’t love the friendships between: Tegan and Nyssa, 7 and Ace, 10 and Donna, and 12 and Bill?!😊 not every friendship is romantic in nature, but that doesn’t make them any less valuable! After all I love all of my friends but I don’t fancy any of them romantically! That being said I also am not completely against shipping, so long as (and this is the important part): 1.It is done respectively, and no one is hurt by the ship. 2.There is evidence within the work it’s self that those two characters are attracted to each other romantically. 3. The characters are both consenting adults. The trick is in any work of fiction including Doctor Who is for there to be the right balance between all different kinds of relationships: romantic, and non romantic friendships! Disclaimer: It’s absolutely okay if you vocally disagree with everything I am saying here! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions! After all the world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed with everything everyone else said! I am just simply expressing my own opinions on the matter being discussed (shipping and romance in Doctor Who) since I think sharing opposing view points are valuable in any discussions😉 I am not vocally against it. In some cases it is okay. In the end, I found it quite cute in the Xfiles for example. But a ship between the Doctor and a companion just feels uncomfortable for me. There have been made horror movies about exactly that type of thing... And it IS an inter-species relationship of species as vastly different like Colin's human/ sheep example. Which is I think exactly the reason I feel massively uncomfortable with this. The Doctor is in a dominant role, he should be older and wiser and he most definitely knows that a relationship between a near immortal and a human cannot work. And it should also not be done, because it is massively unfair to the human and will only inflict pain in the Time Lord. It can only ever be tragic.
For someone several hundred years old, this should be clear and honestly, he should be above that. He should not abuse the trust and be aware that he will be very desirable and attractive to young humans, especially if he is as good looking as some of the Doctors really are! This is why I think stories like "Scherzo" are so important and really bring the massage home.
Plus, there are people out there who are asexual or demisexual and cannot experience these things like "normal" people... and for these people, it will always be difficult to get into the shipping mindset.
What would be so wrong about having the Doctor as a asexual or demisexual hero? In my personal head canon, this is how I always pictured him. And people like that can still be happy and they just do not feel the need for all this business. And they can still have fulfilled lives and normal friendships. Where does this need for romantic involvement come from? It is just not my cup of tea at all.
So please do not take this as a personal opposition against you- just my own opinion. (As a just-in-case disclaimer: No offence has been taken, no slight made. I'm perfectly happy to chat about this as a topic. ) *puts hand up* Hello, that'd be me. It's damn near impossible to find an explicitly asexual ("ace" for short) character in fiction. Particularly one that's treated with respect without some uncomfortable "cure" overtones. The Doctor's always nice to have in that regard as that's been treated with a lot of validity. Most explicitly, at Big Finish, I think in the Sixth Doctor. Paul Magrs and Steve Cole's The Wormery is a lovely example of exploring the topic in real terms and Colin has always played it beautifully across all his tenure. Where it starts to get confusing is that asexual doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as aromantic. A romance for the Doctor is perfectly reasonable, perfectly possible, but it's not going to look the same as what one would expect. It's less: "I find the geometry of your face pleasing," and more: "You have a lovely mind." City of Death's "You're a beautiful woman, probably," serves quite well. I actually think Gallifreyans, factoring in regeneration, are predominantly asexual for that reason. There's no physical/sexual component to it beyond maybe some handholding. The... *waves hand* Other aspects can provoke confusion for aces, but they're mostly understood, albeit from a very theoretical standpoint (i.e. understanding the rules of soccer vs. actually playing it). One of the biggest problems having come into the status quo with this ace character is that the pushes towards overt sexuality feel like erasure. Tapping back into that uncomfortable "curing" idea. And there are so few of these characters out there that it hits twice as hard. That's not to say don't do romance but rather consider what it looks like to the Doctor rather than from a human perspective. Some of the classic pitfalls also include: treating the concept as something unnatural (unusual, fine, but unnatural, no), as a transition from one orientation to the other (say it with me: "It's only a phase!" Nuh-uh.) and using it as a gag that demeans the character ( Flesh and Stone's coda with Amy and Eleven, for instance, is... deep yikes).
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Post by timegirl on Feb 26, 2020 0:06:06 GMT
I am not vocally against it. In some cases it is okay. In the end, I found it quite cute in the Xfiles for example. But a ship between the Doctor and a companion just feels uncomfortable for me. There have been made horror movies about exactly that type of thing... And it IS an inter-species relationship of species as vastly different like Colin's human/ sheep example. Which is I think exactly the reason I feel massively uncomfortable with this. The Doctor is in a dominant role, he should be older and wiser and he most definitely knows that a relationship between a near immortal and a human cannot work. And it should also not be done, because it is massively unfair to the human and will only inflict pain in the Time Lord. It can only ever be tragic.
For someone several hundred years old, this should be clear and honestly, he should be above that. He should not abuse the trust and be aware that he will be very desirable and attractive to young humans, especially if he is as good looking as some of the Doctors really are! This is why I think stories like "Scherzo" are so important and really bring the massage home.
Plus, there are people out there who are asexual or demisexual and cannot experience these things like "normal" people... and for these people, it will always be difficult to get into the shipping mindset.
What would be so wrong about having the Doctor as a asexual or demisexual hero? In my personal head canon, this is how I always pictured him. And people like that can still be happy and they just do not feel the need for all this business. And they can still have fulfilled lives and normal friendships. Where does this need for romantic involvement come from? It is just not my cup of tea at all.
So please do not take this as a personal opposition against you- just my own opinion. (As a just-in-case disclaimer: No offence has been taken, no slight made. I'm perfectly happy to chat about this as a topic. ) *puts hand up* Hello, that'd be me. It's damn near impossible to find an explicitly asexual ("ace" for short) character in fiction. Particularly one that's treated with respect without some uncomfortable "cure" overtones. The Doctor's always nice to have in that regard as that's been treated with a lot of validity. Most explicitly, at Big Finish, I think in the Sixth Doctor. Paul Magrs and Steve Cole's The Wormery is a lovely example of exploring the topic in real terms and Colin has always played it beautifully across all his tenure. Where it starts to get confusing is that asexual doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as aromantic. A romance for the Doctor is perfectly reasonable, perfectly possible, but it's not going to look the same as what one would expect. It's less: "I find the geometry of your face pleasing," and more: "You have a lovely mind." City of Death's "You're a beautiful woman, probably," serves quite well. I actually think Gallifreyans, factoring in regeneration, are predominantly asexual for that reason. There's no physical/sexual component to it beyond maybe some handholding. The... *waves hand* Other aspects can provoke confusion for aces, but they're mostly understood, albeit from a very theoretical standpoint (i.e. understanding the rules of soccer vs. actually playing it). One of the biggest problems having come into the status quo with this ace character is that the pushes towards overt sexuality feel like erasure. Tapping back into that uncomfortable "curing" idea. And there are so few of these characters out there that it hits twice as hard. That's not to say don't do romance but rather consider what it looks like to the Doctor rather than from a human perspective. Some of the classic pitfalls also include: treating the concept as something unnatural (unusual, fine, but unnatural, no), as a transition from one orientation to the other (say it with me: "It's only a phase!" Nuh-uh.) and using it as a gag that demeans the character ( Flesh and Stone's coda with Amy and Eleven, for instance, is... deep yikes). I think your perspective is very important, asexualality should have more sensitive representation 🙂 any erasure of representation or cure narrative is bad🤔and there should be positive representation!🙂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 0:26:05 GMT
(As a just-in-case disclaimer: No offence has been taken, no slight made. I'm perfectly happy to chat about this as a topic. ) *puts hand up* Hello, that'd be me. It's damn near impossible to find an explicitly asexual ("ace" for short) character in fiction. Particularly one that's treated with respect without some uncomfortable "cure" overtones. The Doctor's always nice to have in that regard as that's been treated with a lot of validity. Most explicitly, at Big Finish, I think in the Sixth Doctor. Paul Magrs and Steve Cole's The Wormery is a lovely example of exploring the topic in real terms and Colin has always played it beautifully across all his tenure. Where it starts to get confusing is that asexual doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as aromantic. A romance for the Doctor is perfectly reasonable, perfectly possible, but it's not going to look the same as what one would expect. It's less: "I find the geometry of your face pleasing," and more: "You have a lovely mind." City of Death's "You're a beautiful woman, probably," serves quite well. I actually think Gallifreyans, factoring in regeneration, are predominantly asexual for that reason. There's no physical/sexual component to it beyond maybe some handholding. The... *waves hand* Other aspects can provoke confusion for aces, but they're mostly understood, albeit from a very theoretical standpoint (i.e. understanding the rules of soccer vs. actually playing it). One of the biggest problems having come into the status quo with this ace character is that the pushes towards overt sexuality feel like erasure. Tapping back into that uncomfortable "curing" idea. And there are so few of these characters out there that it hits twice as hard. That's not to say don't do romance but rather consider what it looks like to the Doctor rather than from a human perspective. Some of the classic pitfalls also include: treating the concept as something unnatural (unusual, fine, but unnatural, no), as a transition from one orientation to the other (say it with me: "It's only a phase!" Nuh-uh.) and using it as a gag that demeans the character ( Flesh and Stone's coda with Amy and Eleven, for instance, is... deep yikes). I think your perspective is very important, asexualality should have more sensitive representation 🙂 any erasure of representation or cure narrative is bad🤔and there should be positive representation!🙂 I think what a lot of people struggle with is that a lot of society is quite sexually charged. It's like a constant white noise buzzing in the background. When you drop that away, remove that hum, social exchanges with aces become a bit like staring into a sensory deprivation tank. The brain conjuring up images to fill the "space". What's the expression...? The ocean isn't wet to a fish. I am consistently surprised by how hard people try to fill in gaps that aren't there. In more extreme cases, some can be actually frightened of it. The concept that you must have interest in a significant other to be not just happy, but healthy. Others can get quite irritated in the way that some can when adjusting to a reality where such a fundamental tenant of their existence has been challenged. Both are pretty daft (and destructive), but not unheard of.
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Post by timegirl on Feb 26, 2020 0:31:23 GMT
I think your perspective is very important, asexualality should have more sensitive representation 🙂 any erasure of representation or cure narrative is bad🤔and there should be positive representation!🙂 I think what a lot of people struggle with is that a lot of society is quite sexually charged. It's like a constant white noise buzzing in the background. When you drop that away, remove that hum, social exchanges with aces become a bit like staring into a sensory deprivation tank. The brain conjuring up images to fill the "space". What's the expression...? The ocean isn't wet to a fish. I am consistently surprised by how hard people try to fill in gaps that aren't there. In more extreme cases, some can be actually frightened of it. The concept that you must have interest in a significant other to be not just happy, but healthy. Others can get quite irritated in the way that some can when adjusting to a reality where such a fundamental tenant of their existence has been challenged. Both are pretty daft (and destructive), but not unheard of. Maybe there should be an asexuality representation initiative to make sure that representation is more widespread 🤔🙂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 0:33:40 GMT
Romance in the TARDIS? My view is, does it have any relevance to the story? If it does, then fine. If it doesn't, leave it out. I’m not a ‘shipper’ by any stretch of the imagination (even the word makes my eyes roll involuntarily), but romance can be a story entirely unto itself. I’d even suggest that that’s exactly the case with River — the story is the romance, the business with the library and the angels and all the rest, that’s just window dressing for the love story. Yes, I think saying "Only if the story needs it.." ignores the fact that the characters in the story may not "need" romance in the story but having it inform them can help them be rounded, interesting individuals with unique stories and perspectives of their own informing who they are even if it doesn't affect events directly. Of course we're kinda going in to what we like from Who in general here rather than Stranded. Might be a more interesting standalone thread?
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Post by timegirl on Feb 26, 2020 0:36:25 GMT
I’m not a ‘shipper’ by any stretch of the imagination (even the word makes my eyes roll involuntarily), but romance can be a story entirely unto itself. I’d even suggest that that’s exactly the case with River — the story is the romance, the business with the library and the angels and all the rest, that’s just window dressing for the love story. Yes, I think saying "Only if the story needs it.." ignores the fact that the characters in the story may not "need" romance in the story but having it inform them can help them be rounded, interesting individuals with unique stories and perspectives of their own informing who they are even if it doesn't affect events directly. Of course we're kinda going in to what we like from Who in general here rather than Stranded. Might be a more interesting standalone thread? Good point 😉
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 0:56:12 GMT
I think what a lot of people struggle with is that a lot of society is quite sexually charged. It's like a constant white noise buzzing in the background. When you drop that away, remove that hum, social exchanges with aces become a bit like staring into a sensory deprivation tank. The brain conjuring up images to fill the "space". What's the expression...? The ocean isn't wet to a fish. I am consistently surprised by how hard people try to fill in gaps that aren't there. In more extreme cases, some can be actually frightened of it. The concept that you must have interest in a significant other to be not just happy, but healthy. Others can get quite irritated in the way that some can when adjusting to a reality where such a fundamental tenant of their existence has been challenged. Both are pretty daft (and destructive), but not unheard of. Maybe there should be an asexuality representation initiative to make sure that representation is more widespread 🤔🙂 That would be nice and there is a growing awareness of it. What complicates the problem is that ace can be separated down as an umbrella term into different categories. My experiences, for instance, wouldn't be the same as someone who is predominantly Aromantic or a Grey-A (someone on the threshold between asexuality and sexuality). Another problem is the expectation that the LGBTQIA+ community accepts the classification universally. That's not true either. Unfortunately, there have been issues with acceptance there as well. It can be something of a no man's land depending on where you are. The discussions are so new that it can be difficult to say what the formal rules are. Another contributing factor is that ace-ace partnerships do happen, but it's more common for an ace person to end up with someone who doesn't have the same orientation that they do. There's no clear and formalised line of delineation yet. It might not ever be possible either due to the very nature of the thing. It's a spectrum rather than a series of boxes. Some can do a spectrum, but some need their boxes and that's what makes it so challenging.
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Post by timegirl on Feb 26, 2020 1:02:40 GMT
Maybe there should be an asexuality representation initiative to make sure that representation is more widespread 🤔🙂 That would be nice and there is a growing awareness of it. What complicates the problem is that ace can be separated down as an umbrella term into different categories. My experiences, for instance, wouldn't be the same as someone who is predominantly Aromantic or a Grey-A (someone on the threshold between asexuality and sexuality). Another problem is the expectation that the LGBTQIA+ community accepts the classification universally. That's not true either. Unfortunately, there have been issues with acceptance there as well. It can be something of a no man's land depending on where you are. The discussions are so new that it can be difficult to say what the formal rules are. Another contributing factor is that ace-ace partnerships do happen, but it's more common for an ace person to end up with someone who doesn't have the same orientation that they do. There's no clear and formalised line of delineation yet. It might not ever be possible either due to the very nature of the thing. It's a spectrum rather than a series of boxes. Some can do a spectrum, but some need their boxes and that's what makes it so challenging. Your very articulate on this subject 🤔🙂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 1:07:25 GMT
That would be nice and there is a growing awareness of it. What complicates the problem is that ace can be separated down as an umbrella term into different categories. My experiences, for instance, wouldn't be the same as someone who is predominantly Aromantic or a Grey-A (someone on the threshold between asexuality and sexuality). Another problem is the expectation that the LGBTQIA+ community accepts the classification universally. That's not true either. Unfortunately, there have been issues with acceptance there as well. It can be something of a no man's land depending on where you are. The discussions are so new that it can be difficult to say what the formal rules are. Another contributing factor is that ace-ace partnerships do happen, but it's more common for an ace person to end up with someone who doesn't have the same orientation that they do. There's no clear and formalised line of delineation yet. It might not ever be possible either due to the very nature of the thing. It's a spectrum rather than a series of boxes. Some can do a spectrum, but some need their boxes and that's what makes it so challenging. Your very articulate on this subject 🤔🙂 Thanks. I've had a lot of time to think about it. ^_^ I think we'll get there eventually. It's just early days at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 14:58:06 GMT
Of course we're kinda going in to what we like from Who in general here rather than Stranded. Might be a more interesting standalone thread? Yes, very much so. My opinion is a general opinion on my preference in Doctor Who stories and wasn't aimed at Stranded per se, as we have no way of knowing how relationships between characters are going to play out in advance.
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