melkur
Chancellery Guard
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Post by melkur on Nov 11, 2020 21:05:14 GMT
And 2020 was just starting to perk up again...
Oh well.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 11, 2020 21:15:37 GMT
Official announcement
Note it only confirms the Thirteenth Doctor is back filming, nothing on any of the fam (except that they’re in the holiday special).
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Post by stcoop on Nov 11, 2020 21:49:24 GMT
One thing I just realised. This is highly unlikely to be Jodie's last series which will make her the longest serving Doctor since the series came back. (As long as you're not counting by the number of episodes made.)
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Post by pazzer on Nov 11, 2020 22:22:45 GMT
Eight episodes seems fine, at least confirmed back recording and are getting the special this year.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2020 22:26:55 GMT
Tally time! -8 episodes long. (thank you) -Broadcasting in late 2021-possibly early 2022 (date TBC). -Ed Hime and Maxine Alderton returning as writers. -Jaime Magnus Stone returns as director. -One of the new writers will be coming via a Skillset bursary scheme for new talent. -Filming began in November, with safety measures and a longer schedule. -Chibnall has described S13 as 'ambitious' and building on threads from S12. -Dhawan has not yet been contacted to return as the Master. -There will be an episode featuring nursing pioneer Mary Seacole. -RUMOUR: Ryan may be leaving (Toisin having been cast in a US drama). -RUMOUR: Graham may be leaving. -RUMOUR: Jo Martin may return. -RUMOUR: There may be a Xmas/New Year's special to plug the gap if 2021 is not viable. What’s the source for the Chibnall quotes? It's back at the beginning of this thread, from TV Zone.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2020 22:30:17 GMT
OK, tbh there's no evidence that this would happen so it seems a bit odd to be concerned about it... Well tbh I just gave you recent examples of them cutting the episode count for the series in the past so acting like it's out of the realms of possibility for them to do so again is silly. I wouldn't be surprised if the BBC cut the count and use the pandemic as an excuse but then never bother to bump it back up to 10 episodes once this is all over. As someone working in this business, I can tell you this is where all hour-long prime-time drama is going. 10-13 hasn't been the standard in years. The horror project I'm developing now - we're only doing six episodes a series.
For comparison: His Dark Materials - 7/8 Gentleman Jack - 8 Call the Midwife - 8
Bodyguard - 6
Line of Duty - 6
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Post by stcoop on Nov 11, 2020 22:33:20 GMT
As someone working in this business, I can tell you this is where all hour-long drama is going. 10-13 hasn't been the standard in years. The horror project I'm developing now - we're only doing six episodes a series. Even Netflix with all their money rarely goes beyond 10 episodes.
I think the best we can hope for post-Covid is eight plus a special. Hopefully that would also mean a series a year on a regular schedule.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 11, 2020 22:54:31 GMT
Well tbh I just gave you recent examples of them cutting the episode count for the series in the past so acting like it's out of the realms of possibility for them to do so again is silly. I wouldn't be surprised if the BBC cut the count and use the pandemic as an excuse but then never bother to bump it back up to 10 episodes once this is all over. As someone working in this business, I can tell you this is where all hour-long prime-time drama is going. 10-13 hasn't been the standard in years. The horror project I'm developing now - we're only doing six episodes a series.
For comparison: His Dark Materials - 7/8 Gentleman Jack - 8 Call the Midwife - 8
Bodyguard - 6
Line of Duty - 6
Dr Who isn't hour-long prime-time drama.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2020 23:00:32 GMT
As someone working in this business, I can tell you this is where all hour-long prime-time drama is going. 10-13 hasn't been the standard in years. The horror project I'm developing now - we're only doing six episodes a series.
For comparison: His Dark Materials - 7/8 Gentleman Jack - 8 Call the Midwife - 8
Bodyguard - 6
Line of Duty - 6
Dr Who isn't hour-long prime-time drama. Uhh, yes it is. Not sure why you think it isn't, unless you're referring to 'teatime drama' (which isn't really a thing anymore), or pre and post-watershed programmes - HDM and CTW are both pre-w but are what I described. Doctor Who, same deal and similar slot.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 11, 2020 23:05:40 GMT
Dr Who isn't hour-long prime-time drama. Uhh, yes it is. Not sure why you think it isn't, unless you're referring to pre and post-watershed programs - HDM and CTW are both pre-w but are what I described. Doctor Who, same deal and comprable slot.
The reason I think it isn't is because since it has come back the average running time is 45 minutes not an hour, there have been longer running times for the odd special & the running time of the last couple seasons has averaged 50mins. So the comparisons with hour long prime-time drama is interesting but not completely accurate. Unless the running time increases for the upcoming season, which is a possibility I guess but not confirmed.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 11, 2020 23:15:58 GMT
Uhh, yes it is. Not sure why you think it isn't, unless you're referring to pre and post-watershed programs - HDM and CTW are both pre-w but are what I described. Doctor Who, same deal and comprable slot.
The reason I think it isn't is because since it has come back the average running time is 45 minutes not an hour, there have been longer running times for the odd special & the running time of the last couple seasons has averaged 50mins. So the comparisons with hour long prime-time drama is interesting but not completely accurate. Unless the running time increases for the upcoming season, which is a possibility I guess but not confirmed. I see why you'd think that, but 45-50 mins is pretty much included under the 60 mins umbrella by default (broadcast drama in the industry is either under the labels of half-hour drama or hour long drama. 22 mins is counted as half, 45-50 as hour) .
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Post by agentten on Nov 12, 2020 1:51:42 GMT
A bummer, but understandable. It sounds like the production has had to move some mountains just to get these eight made and I appreciate their efforts.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 12, 2020 8:51:55 GMT
The reason I think it isn't is because since it has come back the average running time is 45 minutes not an hour, there have been longer running times for the odd special & the running time of the last couple seasons has averaged 50mins. So the comparisons with hour long prime-time drama is interesting but not completely accurate. Unless the running time increases for the upcoming season, which is a possibility I guess but not confirmed. I see why you'd think that, but 45-50 mins is pretty much included under the 60 mins umbrella by default (broadcast drama in the industry is either under the labels of half-hour drama or hour long drama. 22 mins is counted as half, 45-50 as hour) . 45-50 mins is NOT an hour. End of.
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Post by theillusiveman on Nov 12, 2020 9:19:53 GMT
I see why you'd think that, but 45-50 mins is pretty much included under the 60 mins umbrella by default (broadcast drama in the industry is either under the labels of half-hour drama or hour long drama. 22 mins is counted as half, 45-50 as hour) . 45-50 mins is NOT an hour. End of. Technically if it’s played on BBC America there is usually 10 mins of commercials that play so I think they count that as part of the runtime
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Post by ollychops on Nov 12, 2020 9:24:51 GMT
I see why you'd think that, but 45-50 mins is pretty much included under the 60 mins umbrella by default (broadcast drama in the industry is either under the labels of half-hour drama or hour long drama. 22 mins is counted as half, 45-50 as hour) . 45-50 mins is NOT an hour. End of. By industry standards it is though. And it’s understandable why because channels with adverts (ITV, Channel 4) 45-50 mins would take it up to an hour. Same with BBC shows being shown on BBCA, they do round up to an hour when you take the commercials into account.
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Post by stcoop on Nov 12, 2020 10:04:03 GMT
I see why you'd think that, but 45-50 mins is pretty much included under the 60 mins umbrella by default (broadcast drama in the industry is either under the labels of half-hour drama or hour long drama. 22 mins is counted as half, 45-50 as hour) . 45-50 mins is NOT an hour. End of. Oh well gosh, if you say "end of" it must be so! Except as has been pointed out to you for the purposes of TV drama production budgets etc. it is. End of.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 12, 2020 11:15:50 GMT
I see why you'd think that, but 45-50 mins is pretty much included under the 60 mins umbrella by default (broadcast drama in the industry is either under the labels of half-hour drama or hour long drama. 22 mins is counted as half, 45-50 as hour) . 45-50 mins is NOT an hour. End of. John, with all the respect in the world, I work in this industry, you don't. If you personally want to call Doctor a 45 mins drama, cool, but that's not what it is from the industry POV, which is what I'm talking about.
Please don't tell me how my industry works. Thank you.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 12, 2020 11:19:09 GMT
45-50 mins is NOT an hour. End of. Technically if it’s played on BBC America there is usually 10 mins of commercials that play so I think they count that as part of the runtime You and olly are correct - with ads, 45-50 mins shows become hour longs. In some countries, it can run even longer, depending on how their ad breaks work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 11:30:23 GMT
45-50 mins is NOT an hour. End of. John, with all the respect in the world, I work in this industry, you don't. If you personally want to call Doctor a 45 mins drama, cool, but that's not what it is from the industry POV, which is what I'm talking about.
Please don't tell me how my industry works. Thank you.
Just out of interest - what programmes do you make? And in what role/capacity? Thanks
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 12, 2020 11:58:53 GMT
John, with all the respect in the world, I work in this industry, you don't. If you personally want to call Doctor a 45 mins drama, cool, but that's not what it is from the industry POV, which is what I'm talking about.
Please don't tell me how my industry works. Thank you.
Just out of interest - what programmes do you make? And in what role/capacity? Thanks Started in kids, now progressing towards more long-form and adult content/drama. As a writer, but I work with producers and development closely - the hour-long I'm working on has just done rewrites and is being pitched at Content London next week, which is a major industry event.
As an aside, I have met a couple of people over the years who've worked on NuWho (not anybody currently on it).
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