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Post by elkawho on May 17, 2020 4:20:53 GMT
Sixie, Jamie and Zoe!!
I really feel that you can't appreciate this story without the first 2 releases in this trilogy. I love the whole thing. The Mind Robber is one of my favorite Second Doctor stories and I really enjoy returning to that world. The whole trilogy is quite mad. Jamie, Rob Roy and sentient leeches in The City Of Spires. The mind altering boat (and people) swapping in The Wreck of the Titan (with the wonderful Miranda Raison). And finally the literary madness of Legend of the Cybermen. As a Cybermen story, it doesn't really attempt anything new or do anything for them as the villain, but when taken as a whole it's just a fun, crazy romp. I love it!
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Post by ljwilson on May 17, 2020 8:59:22 GMT
I've never enjoyed Legend of the Cybermen and all that wandering about in a white mist. I will go back to it as some point (like I do with every story, The Dark Flame took about 6 goes) but I will skip this part of the listen thru.
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Post by doctorkernow on May 24, 2020 21:56:26 GMT
Hello again.
Confused was I after even to the first stories two in the trilogy listening. I worked it out eventually, it is very funny in places and very odd and I loved the literary references. As noted earlier, it was great to hear Wendy Padbury and Frazer Hines together again with ole Sixie. The Cybermen weren't really given that much to do but it is an inventive and madcap listen.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 2:38:43 GMT
 I am so shockingly far behind...  Legend definitely feels like the third act in a secret 12-part story (not too far removed from Frontier in Space/Planet of the Daleks or Logopolis/Castrovalva). It does well to bring its prior two adventures to a conclusion, while simultaneously telling its own tale. It feels a bit like a spiritual successor to the comic, Once Upon a Time Lord, with cybernisation linking these disparate League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-style public domain figures in resistance. The Cybermen's scheme to remove fiction and imagination from their enemies is rather inspired and... erm, imaginative for the Cyber-race ( I didn't say a word...  ). Aquanauts, faeries, guttersnipes, vampires... It's all rather charming. I remember being blown away by it at the time and it still has that sparkle. Delightful fun. |
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Post by elkawho on May 25, 2020 12:53:18 GMT
Don't worry about being behind @wolfie53 . These threads are open ended, chime in any time!
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Post by tuigirl on May 25, 2020 19:15:17 GMT
Listened to this recently, before the lockdown.  Someone recommended it to me in the sales accompanying the new TV series. So I am cheating here. Well, it starts out great. The premise and the characters are great and it is nicely bonkers and surreal. However, towards the end, it gets all a bit too much. On a first listen I was a bit confused and had to re-listen to the last episode to help my understanding. I therefore cannot rank it as high as I would have ranked it had it stayed along the lines at the beginning. Of course our main characters are wonderful and we get some great performances. Sixie and Jamie are a match made in heaven and I would hope we could get a few more of these. I am quite partial towards Jamie.  |
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Post by elkawho on May 25, 2020 19:16:58 GMT
Listened to this recently, before the lockdown.  Someone recommended it to me in the sales accompanying the new TV series. So I am cheating here. Well, it starts out great. The premise and the characters are great and it is nicely bonkers and surreal. However, towards the end, it gets all a bit too much. On a first listen I was a bit confused and had to re-listen to the last episode to help my understanding. I therefore cannot rank it as high as I would have ranked it had it stayed along the lines at the beginning. Of course our main characters are wonderful and we get some great performances. Sixie and Jamie are a match made in heaven and I would hope we could get a few more of these. I am quite partial towards Jamie.  I'm a Jamie fan as well. Did you listen to the first 2 audios in the trilogy or just this one? |
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Post by tuigirl on May 25, 2020 19:26:11 GMT
Listened to this recently, before the lockdown. Someone recommended it to me in the sales accompanying the new TV series. So I am cheating here. Well, it starts out great. The premise and the characters are great and it is nicely bonkers and surreal. However, towards the end, it gets all a bit too much. On a first listen I was a bit confused and had to re-listen to the last episode to help my understanding. I therefore cannot rank it as high as I would have ranked it had it stayed along the lines at the beginning. Of course our main characters are wonderful and we get some great performances. Sixie and Jamie are a match made in heaven and I would hope we could get a few more of these. I am quite partial towards Jamie. I'm a Jamie fan as well. Did you listen to the first 2 audios in the trilogy or just this one? Yes, I got the whole trilogy back then because several members recommended it to me. It was fine what they did.
However, I would have wished for some more "normal" stories of just Sixie and Jamie (and maybe Peri ) along the lines of the Two Doctors. That would have been lovely.
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Post by sherlock on May 28, 2020 9:16:07 GMT
This story is gloriously insane. As a result it’s the best sequel The Mind Robber could have asked for. It starts with a laser-wielding Artful Dodger and Cyber-converted Oliver Twist and ends up with Alice connecting to a supercomputer to rebuild Wonderland, via the ride of the Cyber-converted Valkyries and the actual Big Finish studios. It’s absolutely glorious.
The Cybermen serve more of a philosophical menace here; this is quite literally a war between the forces of imagination and forces of logic. Though the Cybermen do ironically prove quite imaginative with their conversions here.
This trilogy as a whole is one of the best. City of Spires sets up a pretty good start, and in retrospect there’s a lot of hints there, The Wreck of the Titan is brilliant with the sheer amounts of twists (the Nautilus’ arrival is one of the best Big Finish cliffhangers for sheer ‘WTF’ factor) and then Legend ties it all up in a nice bow.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 10:13:56 GMT
This story is gloriously insane. As a result it’s the best sequel The Mind Robber could have asked for. It starts with a laser-wielding Artful Dodger and Cyber-converted Oliver Twist and ends up with Alice connecting to a supercomputer to rebuild Wonderland, via the ride of the Cyber-converted Valkyries and the actual Big Finish studios. It’s absolutely glorious. The Cybermen serve more of a philosophical menace here; this is quite literally a war between the forces of imagination and forces of logic. Though the Cybermen do ironically prove quite imaginative with their conversions here. This trilogy as a whole is one of the best. City of Spires sets up a pretty good start, and in retrospect there’s a lot of hints there, The Wreck of the Titan is brilliant with the sheer amounts of twists ( the Nautilus’ arrival is one of the best Big Finish cliffhangers for sheer ‘WTF’ factor) and then Legend ties it all up in a nice bow. Here's a sentence I don't get to say often: Alexander Siddig might just be my favourite Nemo. He has a lovely ponderous gravity to him. Very shrewd. |
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Post by grinch on May 28, 2020 10:20:32 GMT
I still think this story is one of the closest Big Finish have ever come to a masterpiece.
I have read a few reviews here and there that have criticised the Cybermen for being so ‘imaginative’ in how they convert the various Land of Fiction inhabitants but personally I think they still utilise a great deal of logic when it comes to their methods. In a world as unfamiliar as a world where every fictional character exists, why not make use of the local resources?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 11:25:39 GMT
I still think this story is one of the closest Big Finish have ever come to a masterpiece. I have read a few reviews here and there that have criticised the Cybermen for being so ‘imaginative’ in how they convert the various Land of Fiction inhabitants but personally I think they still utilise a great deal of logic when it comes to their methods. In a world as unfamiliar as a world where every fictional character exists, why not make use of the local resources? I think that's part of the irony too. In the same way that the CyberNomads of Revenge of the Cybermen use emulated body language to intimidate organic lifeforms. The cyborgs have a... I want to use the word "fascination", but it's colder than that, a fixation on some of the elements of their former lives they've given up. The Neomorphs of Earthshock and its like are probably the most open with that, they treat emotion like watching a moth in a killing jar. The more unusual conversions make me think, actually. We've a lot of stories that focus on the Cybermen vs. humanity, which is fair enough, but they must have made their mark on other worlds where land-based lifeforms weren't the dominant species. Places where humanoid aquatic life is king or it's more common to be seen in cloud-based roosts than earthy forest plains. Could you imagine a Cyberman with the stained-glass wings of a Menoptera? |
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Post by mark687 on Jun 17, 2020 10:35:38 GMT
Again one where The Cybermen are the cherry on the "Exceedingly Good Cake" of the "Older Jamie" stories. The whole story is just a grand well executed Season Finale to a terrific run. Oh nearly forgot, one of the best overall examples in Sound Design as well. Regards mark687 |
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Post by Kestrel on Mar 19, 2021 2:56:08 GMT
So currently this is on sale alongside 'Last of the Cybermen', which from what I can tell are the second and third entries in the "Sixth Doctor and Jaime" trilogy. The first story of which, 'The Wreck of the Titan,' is not on sale.
So I've gotta ask: how necessary is 'Wreck of the Titan' to these other two stories with Jaime? Will I lose out on much, or anything, if I skip it/save it for later?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 7:23:38 GMT
So currently this is on sale alongside 'Last of the Cybermen', which from what I can tell are the second and third entries in the "Sixth Doctor and Jaime" trilogy. The first story of which, 'The Wreck of the Titan,' is not on sale. So I've gotta ask: how necessary is 'Wreck of the Titan' to these other two stories with Jaime? Will I lose out on much, or anything, if I skip it/save it for later? In this specific case, each story's closely linked with the other. You'll need City of Spires, The Wreck of the Titan and Legend of the Cybermen together, respectively, in order for developments from each to make sense. Think of them as three parts of a big twelve-part serial in disguise. |
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Post by mark687 on Mar 19, 2021 10:23:59 GMT
So currently this is on sale alongside 'Last of the Cybermen', which from what I can tell are the second and third entries in the "Sixth Doctor and Jaime" trilogy. The first story of which, 'The Wreck of the Titan,' is not on sale. So I've gotta ask: how necessary is 'Wreck of the Titan' to these other two stories with Jaime? Will I lose out on much, or anything, if I skip it/save it for later? Actually the 1st of the trilogy is City of Spires but Legend is one Big Spoiler for the whole trilogy so up to you weather you can resist listening to it till if/when the other 2 Titles are on offer. Regards mark687 |
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Post by number13 on Mar 19, 2021 13:53:42 GMT
So currently this is on sale alongside 'Last of the Cybermen', which from what I can tell are the second and third entries in the "Sixth Doctor and Jaime" trilogy. The first story of which, 'The Wreck of the Titan,' is not on sale. So I've gotta ask: how necessary is 'Wreck of the Titan' to these other two stories with Jaime? Will I lose out on much, or anything, if I skip it/save it for later? The 'older Jamie' trilogy is 'City of Spires', 'Wreck of the Titan' and 'Legend of the Cybermen'. ('Last of the Cybermen' is the middle story in a completely different trilogy and Sixie/Jamie are only in that one.)
It's a trilogy that really has to be listened to all in order to get the full effect - if you've managed to stay spoiler-free, the payoff is superb. Highly recommended.
Better still, also listen to the Companion Chronicle 'Night's Black Agents' between 'City of Spires' and 'Wreck of the Titan'. Someone tipped me off to do this and the resulting quadrilogy remains a landmark event in my BF listening. If you do take the four stories in order, a lot of strange things will only make sense in hindsight, so stay with it, do not read the cast or character lists ahead of each story - and see how far along the line you 'get it'. The clues are there...  |
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Post by grinch on Mar 19, 2021 14:16:15 GMT
It’s such a masterpiece but as number13 said you’ll get the most out of it if you listen to the previous two stories.
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Post by number13 on Mar 19, 2021 14:28:29 GMT
It’s such a masterpiece but as number13 said you’ll get the most out of it if you listen to the previous two stories. *cough* previous three stories That CC is a cracker!  |
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Post by grinch on Mar 19, 2021 14:30:31 GMT
It’s such a masterpiece but as number13 said you’ll get the most out of it if you listen to the previous two stories. *cough* previous three stories That CC is a cracker! I stand corrected. That Companion Chronicle is a cracker! |
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Legend definitely feels like the third act in a secret 12-part story (not too far removed from Frontier in Space/Planet of the Daleks or Logopolis/Castrovalva). It does well to bring its prior two adventures to a conclusion, while simultaneously telling its own tale. It feels a bit like a spiritual successor to the comic, Once Upon a Time Lord, with cybernisation linking these disparate League of Extraordinary Gentlemen-style public domain figures in resistance. The Cybermen's scheme to remove fiction and imagination from their enemies is rather inspired and... erm, imaginative for the Cyber-race (I didn't say a word... 
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