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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 19:53:21 GMT
Yeah, Bill is pretty much confirmed as a lesbian with Heather I believe. The Emojibots will I hope be possessed in a similar way to the Ood and the Vocs, but I think you're definitely right there. Not sure about the Flood part (unless they're a recurring threat. The opener has a creature similar to the flood it would seem). The female Ice Warrior is for certain, though. I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd say it's more likely he isn't. Despite this, it'd be incredible if such a great actor as Suchet could play that character. That makes sense. So does this, but I'm not sure about the Cybermen. I wouldn't be surprised if it related to Gallifrey and Rassilon somehow. Yeah, the Flood and Tenth Planet Cybermen at Christmas are the predictions I'm not as confident about. The main reason why I think The Flood are in the Ice Warrior episode is that it looked like the Ice Warrior was infected in the video they released when they were announced for Series 10. Wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of fight scene that involves an Ice Warrior getting beaten or something. The Flood would be interesting but I think Waters Of Mars works better as a standalone. However, there is so much water in this series that I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 10, 2017 20:00:54 GMT
He was necessary though for Steven Moffat to tell the narrative he wanted to tell. In screenwriting terms character generally comes first, then the narrative. Story comes from character. You wouldn't have Day of the Doctor without the War Doctor in the same way that there would be no Silence In The Library/Forest of the Dead without River Song. He wanted to get to the next life cycle as soon as possible! The same story could have been told with the Eighth Doctor! Except it couldn't, because Steven Moffat found it hard to believe the 8th Doctor had any involvement in the war. The episode would have been led by narrative, leaving the character of the 8th Doctor feeling out of place.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 10, 2017 20:01:52 GMT
Yeah, the Flood and Tenth Planet Cybermen at Christmas are the predictions I'm not as confident about. The main reason why I think The Flood are in the Ice Warrior episode is that it looked like the Ice Warrior was infected in the video they released when they were announced for Series 10. Wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of fight scene that involves an Ice Warrior getting beaten or something. The Flood would be interesting but I think Waters Of Mars works better as a standalone. However, there is so much water in this series that I wouldn't be surprised. It's possible. The Flood connection might just be spotting something that's not there.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 10, 2017 20:03:05 GMT
He wanted to get to the next life cycle as soon as possible! The same story could have been told with the Eighth Doctor! Except it couldn't, because Steven Moffat found it hard to believe the 8th Doctor had any involvement in the war. The episode would have been led by narrative, leaving the character of the 8th Doctor feeling out of place. McGann only did one tv episode!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 10, 2017 20:04:23 GMT
Except it couldn't, because Steven Moffat found it hard to believe the 8th Doctor had any involvement in the war. The episode would have been led by narrative, leaving the character of the 8th Doctor feeling out of place. McGann only did one tv episode! And lots of audio dramas. You can't force a character into something if he doesn't fit. That's not how screenwriting works.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 20:04:31 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of fight scene that involves an Ice Warrior getting beaten or something. The Flood would be interesting but I think Waters Of Mars works better as a standalone. However, there is so much water in this series that I wouldn't be surprised. It's possible. The Flood connection might just be spotting something that's not there. Oh well
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 10, 2017 20:07:58 GMT
McGann only did one tv episode! And lots of audio dramas. You can't force a character into something if he doesn't fit. That's not how screenwriting works. Even if you include the BF audios, the character is turning darker with every release!
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 10, 2017 20:09:06 GMT
And lots of audio dramas. You can't force a character into something if he doesn't fit. That's not how screenwriting works. Even if you include the BF audios, the character is turning darker with every release! It doesn't matter. It's the view of the screenwriter that counts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 21:22:06 GMT
Offscreen. The two regenerations were only days apart onscreen with only one TV story for the character. What's being suggested is that we see a Doctor only last one adventure both on and offscreen though. Which was true at the time and could very well have stayed true. The point is that unlike McGann, Moffat created this Doctor purely to last for one story then regenerate.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 10, 2017 21:34:12 GMT
What's being suggested is that we see a Doctor only last one adventure both on and offscreen though. Which was true at the time and could very well have stayed true. The point is that unlike McGann, Moffat created this Doctor purely to last for one story then regenerate. But he didn't have only one adventure in total though.
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Post by doomlord on Mar 11, 2017 20:33:25 GMT
From 2005 where we were supposedly introduced to a somewhat newly regenerated 9th Doctor and up until the introduction of John Hurt's Doctor, most, if not all fans were under the impression that it was the 8th Doctor that fought in the war and ultimately the Doctor paid the price by losing a regeneration. As far as I know, everyone was happy to believe that was the case. Saying "except it couldn't" just doesn't wash when we were all thinking the same canon for a solid eight years. Besides, the 8th Doctor did fight in the Time-War, it had been going for quite a while before the shoe-horned Doctor came to be. The 8th Doctor's character had changed over the years and as already mentioned, although the same man, he wasn't the persona he once was, he was darker, tougher, broodier. He seemed tired of the war but I still think he would have carried on right to the end (see 2005 to 20013 scenario). Let's not forget that the War Doctor was also born out of blackmail.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 11, 2017 23:34:26 GMT
From 2005 where we were supposedly introduced to a somewhat newly regenerated 9th Doctor and up until the introduction of John Hurt's Doctor, most, if not all fans were under the impression that it was the 8th Doctor that fought in the war and ultimately the Doctor paid the price by losing a regeneration. As far as I know, everyone was happy to believe that was the case. Saying "except it couldn't" just doesn't wash when we were all thinking the same canon for a solid eight years. Besides, the 8th Doctor did fight in the Time-War, it had been going for quite a while before the shoe-horned Doctor came to be. The 8th Doctor's character had changed over the years and as already mentioned, although the same man, he wasn't the persona he once was, he was darker, tougher, broodier. He seemed tired of the war but I still think he would have carried on right to the end (see 2005 to 20013 scenario). Let's not forget that the War Doctor was also born out of blackmail. I get the sentiment, but first, be wary of throwing around a term like blackmail in discussions, and second, maybe it's just me but the older I get, the more I feel it would've felt wrong for 8 to have pushed the button/done the destroy both sides act. For me, 8 is like 5 i.e. getting away from his predescessors and just wanting to do his own thing, reluctantly getting forced into bad situations that he would rather avoid altogether. Even the buildup from BF painted him in this light long before we knew diddly about the 50th. Darker yes, but not like 7 and in some ways actively trying to avoid it.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 12, 2017 13:33:12 GMT
From 2005 where we were supposedly introduced to a somewhat newly regenerated 9th Doctor and up until the introduction of John Hurt's Doctor, most, if not all fans were under the impression that it was the 8th Doctor that fought in the war and ultimately the Doctor paid the price by losing a regeneration. As far as I know, everyone was happy to believe that was the case. Saying "except it couldn't" just doesn't wash when we were all thinking the same canon for a solid eight years. Besides, the 8th Doctor did fight in the Time-War, it had been going for quite a while before the shoe-horned Doctor came to be. The 8th Doctor's character had changed over the years and as already mentioned, although the same man, he wasn't the persona he once was, he was darker, tougher, broodier. He seemed tired of the war but I still think he would have carried on right to the end (see 2005 to 20013 scenario). Let's not forget that the War Doctor was also born out of blackmail. There's a major difference to viewers being happy about it and the screenwriter believing in the idea. If the screenwriter doesn't believe in it, then it's not going to be very convincing.
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Post by doomlord on Mar 12, 2017 16:27:34 GMT
From 2005 where we were supposedly introduced to a somewhat newly regenerated 9th Doctor and up until the introduction of John Hurt's Doctor, most, if not all fans were under the impression that it was the 8th Doctor that fought in the war and ultimately the Doctor paid the price by losing a regeneration. As far as I know, everyone was happy to believe that was the case. Saying "except it couldn't" just doesn't wash when we were all thinking the same canon for a solid eight years. Besides, the 8th Doctor did fight in the Time-War, it had been going for quite a while before the shoe-horned Doctor came to be. The 8th Doctor's character had changed over the years and as already mentioned, although the same man, he wasn't the persona he once was, he was darker, tougher, broodier. He seemed tired of the war but I still think he would have carried on right to the end (see 2005 to 20013 scenario). Let's not forget that the War Doctor was also born out of blackmail. I get the sentiment, but first, be wary of throwing around a term like blackmail in discussions, and second, maybe it's just me but the older I get, the more I feel it would've felt wrong for 8 to have pushed the button/done the destroy both sides act. For me, 8 is like 5 i.e. getting away from his predescessors and just wanting to do his own thing, reluctantly getting forced into bad situations that he would rather avoid altogether. Even the buildup from BF painted him in this light long before we knew diddly about the 50th. Darker yes, but not like 7 and in some ways actively trying to avoid it. Well, perhaps a too stronger word but he did only have minutes to live after been brought back from the dead by the Sisterhood. They wanted him to fight but he said that he had enough of fighting. His dilemma was certain death or to drink the potion but on condition that he keeps fighting the war. From 2005 where we were supposedly introduced to a somewhat newly regenerated 9th Doctor and up until the introduction of John Hurt's Doctor, most, if not all fans were under the impression that it was the 8th Doctor that fought in the war and ultimately the Doctor paid the price by losing a regeneration. As far as I know, everyone was happy to believe that was the case. Saying "except it couldn't" just doesn't wash when we were all thinking the same canon for a solid eight years. Besides, the 8th Doctor did fight in the Time-War, it had been going for quite a while before the shoe-horned Doctor came to be. The 8th Doctor's character had changed over the years and as already mentioned, although the same man, he wasn't the persona he once was, he was darker, tougher, broodier. He seemed tired of the war but I still think he would have carried on right to the end (see 2005 to 20013 scenario). Let's not forget that the War Doctor was also born out of blackmail. There's a major difference to viewers being happy about it and the screenwriter believing in the idea. If the screenwriter doesn't believe in it, then it's not going to be very convincing. Are you saying you weren't happy prior to 2013 that the 8th Doctor as most of up till that point had thought he was the one that fought in the war, or is your mind been clouded because of what we now know post-2013? A screenwriter worth their salt should be able to convince us of anything, it's hardly a stretch for the imagination that the Doctor (or any Doctor) prior to John Hurt's Doctor wasn't capable of fighting. Screenwriters have managed to convince that a raccoon with a blaster twice his size and hell-bent on a good fight is believable. Screenwriters that doubt their imagination shouldn't be in the job.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 12, 2017 17:31:24 GMT
I get the sentiment, but first, be wary of throwing around a term like blackmail in discussions, and second, maybe it's just me but the older I get, the more I feel it would've felt wrong for 8 to have pushed the button/done the destroy both sides act. For me, 8 is like 5 i.e. getting away from his predescessors and just wanting to do his own thing, reluctantly getting forced into bad situations that he would rather avoid altogether. Even the buildup from BF painted him in this light long before we knew diddly about the 50th. Darker yes, but not like 7 and in some ways actively trying to avoid it. Well, perhaps a too stronger word but he did only have minutes to live after been brought back from the dead by the Sisterhood. They wanted him to fight but he said that he had enough of fighting. His dilemma was certain death or to drink the potion but on condition that he keeps fighting the war. A screenwriter worth their salt should be able to convince us of anything Not true. They can only do that if they believe it themselves. Steven Moffat didn't believe 8 fought in the Time War and you can't write something you don't believe in. Screenwriters have managed to convince that a raccoon with a blaster twice his size and hell-bent on a good fight is believable. That's because James Gunn and Nicole Perlman believe in Rocket Raccoon being capable of holding a blaster and it fits with the logic of the world they've created. You can't just stick the 8th Doctor fighting in the Time War just because some others believe he fought in it, when you may not yourself. Character comes first, not story. But it wasn't Steven Moffat doubting his imagination. He was doubting the idea that the eighth incarnation fought in the Time War. We all have what my screenwriting lecturer at university likes to call a 'bull**** detector' that detects when stories are unconvincing or don't make sense. Evidently this went off in Moffat's head at the idea of 8 fighting in the Time War.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 12, 2017 18:29:16 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Mar 12, 2017 20:44:48 GMT
Found on Facebook: Where exactly on Facebook?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 12, 2017 21:55:40 GMT
Barlett's story is called Haunted Hub, so this list is false.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 12, 2017 22:34:00 GMT
Barlett's story is called Haunted Hub, so this list is false. That was denied ages ago.
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