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Post by nucleusofswarm on Aug 1, 2020 0:47:22 GMT
NuWho makes its own 50s mad-science monster movies (and both feature climaxes involving loud music, funnily enough. And I suppose Lazarus' final form counts as being arachnid too, since it's a scorpion), but which was the better romp?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 1:11:29 GMT
They're also, I guess, linked by being eps where we get to learn about the family members of a companion in more depth.
I think Lazarus is more aware of being shlocky B-movie mid-season fun with no ideas above that. It's got a feel of the end of the Hammer film of The Quatermass Xperiment towards the end as the monster climbs around the ceiling. And Tennant and Gattis had both been in a Quatermass remake a few years earlier which added to that. The CGI is, well, poor and the old man make up not great. Yet I think it's a better told story in terms of getting to know Martha better through her relationship to her family. I always saw people call Arachnids and Punjab "Yaz eps" - well, no. We don't learn about her - we learn about her relatives. That's a small but important distinction between the two, Lazarus develops Martha's character through her relationship with her family. Arachnid doesn't - it just introduces them but Yaz is not explored much through them at all.
Though, brass tacks - both are pretty poor overall. If Lazarus steals the show...it's petty theft!
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Post by timegirl on Aug 1, 2020 2:24:18 GMT
They are both very flawed episodes, the monster effect in Lazarus is just terrible and the Trump stand in in Arachnids is an irritating villain plus 13 leaving the spiders to suffocate really rubbed me the wrong way🤔
Having said that I think both have good things going for them. In Arachnids, I really like Yaz’s family dynamic and the brief scene of Graham grieving Grace’s death.
I think overall I much prefer Lazarus Experiment, I love the glamorous party setting (not to mention 10 in a tux😉)! Also Martha and her family’s interactions are very good. The villain (other than the terrible cgi monster form) was interesting, and I thought the climax in the church was very intense! I was a bit disappointed they didn’t explore Dr. Lazarus getting younger more In depth psychologically before going straight into the big nasty monster stuff. I thought that Lazarus inventing an age changing machine was a far more interesting concept to play around with than a lot of the generic monster stuff. Lazarus’s monster form could have been good if they kept it completely in shadows where we only catch brief glimpses of him as the monster or even if we never actually saw his monstrous form, only peoples terrified reactions to him. This would create much more suspense and mystery than the big cgi thing did. So, I like Lazarus experiment more, but I feel there was a lot of missed potential there. Either they should have nixed the monster stuff and had the drama just focused on the age changing machine and Dr. Lazarus becoming younger or increase the focus on the age changing machine and keep Lazarus turning into a monster but show very little of his monstrous form as way to add suspense and mystery.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 1, 2020 4:14:43 GMT
Honestly i found The Lazarus Experiment to be the least awful
sure it suffers from a horrible CGI Monster but the body horror life draining corpses are effective, some intrigue with the mystery of Mr Saxon, 10 and Martha developing their team dynamic, more of Martha's characters development and her family relationship
Arachnids while having heaps better CGI and the scene of Graham alone in the house after loosing his wife are good unfortunately the rest is nothing more than
a rip off of Eight Legged Freaks, a badly written Trump parody, the absolutely horrible morality of 13 (which makes her irredeemable) with dealing with the spiders and the big spider at the end
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2020 10:39:24 GMT
I didn't like either episode! Neither of them were very entertaining Doctor Who stories, so I could not separate them if I was comparing them to each other.
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Post by grinch on Aug 1, 2020 10:50:23 GMT
I prefer the Lazarus Experiment for what it sets up more than the actual story in question. Arachnids in the UK I just thought was awful and came across like a first draft.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 1, 2020 23:12:30 GMT
I didn't like either episode! Neither of them were very entertaining Doctor Who stories, so I could not separate them if I was comparing them to each other. This, pretty much.
Things that are a little too implausible - yes, even in Who - turn me off. And I've never been much of a fan of a bare scary monster story.
Lazarus: yeah, they made sure to show him being weirdly hungry, but you simply cannot suddenly increase your mass by an order of magnitude at least (the transition) any more than a creature growing inside the moon could make the moon suddenly gain mass (Kill the Moon).
Arachnids: their current maximum size isn't determined by longevity, but oxygen demands. Both the Giant Huntsman and Goliath Birdeater Tarantula top out ~12" diameter for this reason. I believe something related to daddy longlegs was found in a cave with 13" diameter, but given the way those things are built it didn't need much oxygen. Yet the biggest one in the episode looked like it was 12 feet in diameter at least, and that's when it died.
And what on Earth did they do for food the whole time?
And the stories were nowhere near enough to compensate.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 2, 2020 9:09:44 GMT
I like them both, but can understand and see the criticism others have of them. I think Arachnids wins for me, if only for the image of the TARDIS outside Park Hill flats and Ryan’s hand gestures in the lab.
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Post by pazzer on Aug 2, 2020 10:38:32 GMT
Don't think either of them are great. All remember of Lazarus is a party and think it's the first apperance of Harold Saxon. Arachnids is just a poor green death with an unfulfilling ending.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 2, 2020 10:51:32 GMT
Arachnids I think. its arguable be Chibnail's best all round written one. In the context of It Takes you Away you know why Yaz still feels detached despite meeting the family. Grahame's little silent moment with Grace, forming a relationship with Ryan, the reasoning behind them all to keep TARDIS Traveling and I do get the point of Chris Noath Trumpsec bit.
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