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Post by inchmix on Sept 19, 2020 20:22:00 GMT
Interesting topic with interesting responses. My take on this - it's the music that sets my visuals
A really vivid example was Wirrn Dawn - where 8th and Lucie are stuck in space, in their spacesuits, watching a massive battle unfold. The music there is like watching a hollywood movie on the big screen.
Pop the CD in. Switch on the subwoofer. Volume up! Isn't audio just wonderful - I prefer it over TV
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Post by glutamodo on Sept 19, 2020 20:59:43 GMT
. But I never see their faces. I'm rather the opposite, at least for the leads. I see Colin Baker's face from his first season more than anything else, I don't even think about coat unless it's mentioned. And with Peri, I see her face and not her other, uh, attributes. The same goes for pretty much every Doctor and companion that I watched on TV. The latest BF audio I listened to was yesterday while doing yardwork, one of the recent Benny releases and I "see" Bowerman and Warner when they speak, even though neither of them played their roles onscreen. However... the supporting characters, I often am not very good at visualizing them on audio.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 19, 2020 21:04:56 GMT
When I'm listening I picture all of the actors nude. Apart from Colin Baker who is wearing speedos in the same design as his costume.
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Post by timegirl on Sept 19, 2020 21:09:23 GMT
When I'm listening I picture all of the actors nude. Apart from Colin Baker who is wearing speedos in the same design as his costume. What?!
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 19, 2020 21:15:30 GMT
When I'm listening I picture all of the actors nude. Apart from Colin Baker who is wearing speedos in the same design as his costume. Would require much too much processing power for me. I guess my inbuild RAM is limited.
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 19, 2020 21:16:44 GMT
When I'm listening I picture all of the actors nude. Apart from Colin Baker who is wearing speedos in the same design as his costume. What?! Whatever floats his boat. But at a guess, he is pulling our legs. Or he as German ancestors.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Sept 19, 2020 21:30:37 GMT
Whatever floats his boat. But at a guess, he is pulling our legs. Or he as German ancestors.
Well I wasn't being totally honest. Fifth Doc still has his celery, but where he has it I shall leave to your imagination!
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Post by tuigirl on Sept 19, 2020 21:34:11 GMT
Whatever floats his boat. But at a guess, he is pulling our legs. Or he as German ancestors.
Well I wasn't being totally honest. Fifth Doc still has his celery, but where he has it I shall leave to your imagination! Definitely German ancestors.
We definitely need an adventure set in summer in the English Garden in Munich next. Because then 5 would not look out of place even without celery.
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Post by shutupbanks on Sept 20, 2020 0:43:54 GMT
Whatever floats his boat. But at a guess, he is pulling our legs. Or he as German ancestors.
Well I wasn't being totally honest. Fifth Doc still has his celery, but where he has it I shall leave to your imagination! Thank you for giving me a MacGruber flashback!
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Post by shutupbanks on Sept 20, 2020 0:53:42 GMT
Interesting replies here. I always see the Doctors and their companions as they were in the show but supporting characters are often somewhat nebulous or influenced by what I know about costuming of the time: f’r instance, Davison supporting characters are often wearing - in my mind - lots of reds and blacks, as that seems to be my main memory of uniforms or costumes from that period; T. Baker era (and earlier) characters are often wearing institutional greens, greys and blues; C. Baker and McCoy eras have lots of pastels. And simply because of the associations with SF at the time, McGann’s characters are often wearing business suits or Starfleet-style jumpsuits. Ditto with the “sets”: T. Baker and earlier has quite natural lighting, while Davison and C. Baker are either very brightly lit or almost impossible to see. McCoy seems to either be on location or in a dim studio.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 20, 2020 3:47:20 GMT
A specific one for me is that I always picture Paul McGann looking roughly like he did in his audition when listening to a pre-Dark Eyes story. Long hair (Not a wig!) with a more disheveled version of his TV Movie costume (the cravat usually missing and the top shirt buttons undone like in the audition.)
Sometimes I picture a story looking like a TV episode, especially if it's fully in the style of its era (lots of Early Adventures are very much 'audio in black and white') while more unconventional stories I tend to picture as more "budgetless."
This thread reminds me of how part of me isn't sure I ever want to see The Abominable Snowmen because the version in my head looks so good and I'm not sure the actual production would match up...
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Post by constonks on Sept 20, 2020 4:21:53 GMT
Listening to Shadow of the Sun just now, I couldn't help but picture Current Day Tom Baker at his laptop on Zoom at first, given that we've all seen and loved those production stills. But soon enough it was 1970s Tom and Louise on a luxurious cruise liner, but with 2020 HD!
I'll say I do sort of misremember characters' appearances over time - the longer it's been since I saw an episode with them, the less accurate they might be... and I only notice when I see them on TV again that I realize I'm not picturing them 100% correctly. I also hear the Big Finish voices much more often when I'm reading DW books - an older Katy Manning, for instance!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 4:36:16 GMT
As for how I imagine the Doctors and companions.... I might be a special case. I "suffer" (not sure if that is the right word, because I am not really suffering and got over my constant embarrassment) from aphantasia for visualising faces. This is a fascinating thread. I don't have aphantasia, but I do have a mild form of prosopagnosia, which is the face-specific version of aphantasia. While I can usually recognize people I've met before, that's a result of a lifetime of learning to remember things other than their faces, just as you described -- voices, height, hairstyles or even clothing styles. My condition is mild enough that I can recognize the faces of close family members or friends I've known a long time, but new faces -- no chance.
As far as visualizing audio stories goes, I tend to see the setting and the scenery quite clearly in my mind, but the people (even most of the monsters) are all just nebulous placeholders. Except, for some reason, Sixie, whose coat is always his specific placeholder. Amusingly, this is true even for the stories in which he has switched to his blue coat. For those audios (assuming I'm aware that I'm listening to a blue-coat story), Sixie's placeholder switches to the blue coat.
For example, I'm currently busy listening to The Rani Elite1. I could sketch out the basic layout of the College of Advanced Galactic Education as it appears in my mind's eye, including the relative positions of the rooms Peri and the Doctor are held prisoner in, the medical facility, the library and the Vice-Chancellor's office. I can picture the furniture, light fittings, and exactly where everyone is standing in each scene. But the protagonists themselves are just undefined blobs, except for the coat.
1This is entirely unrelated to this thread, but despite being a life-long Doctor Who fan, I somehow only discovered Big Finish about five or six years back. Since then I've been working my way through BF's entire Who and Who spin-off output in the exact order it was released. (Yes, this has been a fairly expensive undertaking.) I'm almost at the end of 2014 now, and by my count, I've listened to 751½ stories, and I still have 840½ left to go. That means that BF's Who output in the six years from 2015-2020 has exceeded the seventeen years from 1998-2014, which is an impressive feat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 4:39:34 GMT
When I'm listening I picture all of the actors nude. Apart from Colin Baker who is wearing speedos in the same design as his costume. Only you could....say that 🤪
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Post by Timelord007 on Sept 20, 2020 8:09:07 GMT
Whatever floats his boat. But at a guess, he is pulling our legs. Or he as German ancestors.
Well I wasn't being totally honest. Fifth Doc still has his celery, but where he has it I shall leave to your imagination! Thanks for imprinting that image into my mind, i need a lie down now in a very dark room, i might need to inhale some lavender.
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Post by ljwilson on Sept 20, 2020 9:31:29 GMT
I'm very lucky in that my mind just plays the whole thing in my head, usually very detailed and I can 'see' what's going on in each scene.
The Doctor and his companions look as they did on screen and side characters just form; a good example being the rebel leader in 'The Dalek Contract' and 'Time of the Daleks' is a grizzled, short-bearded bloke in a slightly grubby uniform with an assault rifle.
I've really got in to The Time of the Daleks recently (go on, give it another try) and I think the combo of the brilliant atmospherics and music, combined with how I see the palace, the characters and the room of mirrors and clocks (large and dark, light reflecting off the 111 mirrors and antique golden carriage clocks) is one of the main factors.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 2:04:33 GMT
A specific one for me is that I always picture Paul McGann looking roughly like he did in his audition when listening to a pre-Dark Eyes story. Long hair (Not a wig!) with a more disheveled version of his TV Movie costume (the cravat usually missing and the top shirt buttons undone like in the audition.) Sometimes I picture a story looking like a TV episode, especially if it's fully in the style of its era (lots of Early Adventures are very much 'audio in black and white') while more unconventional stories I tend to picture as more "budgetless." This thread reminds me of how part of me isn't sure I ever want to see The Abominable Snowmen because the version in my head looks so good and I'm not sure the actual production would match up... Well, you know me and Warriors of the Deep with, er, Sea Base 4 and, um... *taps wall awkwardly* ...Are we sure this is seaworthy? On the other hand, The Ark managed to impress me with its forced perspective and proto-CSO overlays. It's a fifty-fifty split. The original images from the novelisations, however, stay exactly as they were. I think I have a tendency to picture pre-1970s stories in colour purely because the transition from one to the other wasn't as stark as it could have been. First viewings were often done alongside reference books with full-colour publicity photographs and repeats of the Jon Pertwee stories occassionally existed only in monochrome (often for specific episodes in a serial), so filling in the visual gaps wasn't too unusual an occurrence. I find the answers to this are extremely interesting because everyone has a very similar method, but what's considered to be a memorable element of the image is radically different. Where the eye is drawn or what it considers valuable information. If you drop away the colour from below, for example, what captures the eye is similar to, but distinctive from, the original image: {Original}
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Sept 21, 2020 4:56:32 GMT
Colin Baker's costume looks really good in black and white.
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Post by shutupbanks on Sept 21, 2020 9:16:39 GMT
Colin Baker's costume looks really good in black and white. It looks even better in audio.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 13:55:00 GMT
Colin Baker's costume looks really good in black and white. It's got a nice cut to it, doesn't it? The non-Euclidean colours hide what's actually a pretty well-tailored coat around the arms and shoulders. It looks rather comfortable. To wear, I mean. ... On the body, I mean. For the eyes, that may be a different story. Hence, I suppose his navy blue lark...
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