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Post by mark687 on Dec 9, 2015 9:51:18 GMT
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Post by acousticwolf on Dec 9, 2015 9:52:41 GMT
Think you beat me to it Mark  Cheers Tony |
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Post by mark687 on Dec 9, 2015 9:59:45 GMT
Think you beat me to it Mark Cheers Tony By Seconds Tony
Earliest time of day for a release in months must be a heavy production week as well as a heavy release week.
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Post by acousticwolf on Dec 9, 2015 10:06:51 GMT
By Seconds Tony
Earliest time of day for a release in months must be a heavy production week as well as a heavy release week.
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mark687
I think so, I was quite surprised to see them ready for downloading Cheers Tony |
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Post by Digi on Dec 9, 2015 23:30:27 GMT
I really, really enjoyed this. Wonderfully huge theatrical scope, but grounded by great performances by all involved. I'd have liked if Ace had a little more to do, but then maybe that's just the way the novel was written.
Was Seven's confused musing about having 'seen moving statues somewhere' a reference to something else in the VNAs? Or was it (as I took it) a less-than-sly nod to the upcoming Classic Doctors/New Monsters set? (Where Five faces the Weeping Angels)
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Post by mrfuggleboppins on Dec 10, 2015 4:44:45 GMT
Pointing everyone in the direction of the cover I made for this story if anyone wants to use it in lieu of the (also fantastic) Will Brooks cover  |
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Post by omega on Dec 10, 2015 4:52:07 GMT
I really, really enjoyed this. Wonderfully huge theatrical scope, but grounded by great performances by all involved. I'd have liked if Ace had a little more to do, but then maybe that's just the way the novel was written. That was the trend for that period of New Adventures, since Ace's characterisation around that time could be a bit awkward to write for. She's sidelined for much of Legacy, the novel preceding Theatre of War. I bet there was a huge sigh of relief when Kate Orman finally wrote Ace out for real in Set Piece (and no, the event depicted on the cover does not actually happen in the novel). Between Deceit and No Future, the writers would sometimes put the Doctor and Ace (referred to in fandom as Space Bitch Ace during this period) as hugely antagonistic towards each other, Ace still not letting go of how his manipulative streak cost her a lover and spending three years taking out her aggression on Daleks. She even wears skintight clothing, as can be seen on the covers of various novels like First Frontier and Warlock. |
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Dec 10, 2015 9:58:28 GMT
Sort of disappointed they didn't use the "New Adventures variation" of the theme from "Damaged Goods"
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Post by brians on Dec 10, 2015 11:30:27 GMT
Sort of disappointed they didn't use the "New Adventures variation" of the theme from "Damaged Goods" Think they've probably got a specific point in time in their minds where the theme changes. These books were 26 and 27 in the series, Damaged Goods was 55. The appearance of the books changes at number 50 so I'm guessing that's where the change occurs. |
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Post by mark687 on Dec 10, 2015 11:32:29 GMT
Sort of disappointed they didn't use the "New Adventures variation" of the theme from "Damaged Goods" Think they've probably got a specific point in time in their minds where the theme changes. These books were 26 and 27 in the series, Damaged Goods was 55. The appearance of the books changes at number 50 so I'm guessing that's where the change occurs. Good reasoning
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Post by Digi on Dec 10, 2015 11:40:59 GMT
Good reasoning, but I still like the idea. Obviously I can't do anything about the CD, but I think I'll make the theme change in my mp3 version!
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Post by brians on Dec 10, 2015 16:08:10 GMT
Good reasoning, but I still like the idea. Obviously I can't do anything about the CD, but I think I'll make the theme change in my mp3 version! Ah, the beauty of downloads. |
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Post by newt5996 on Dec 11, 2015 0:08:59 GMT
Having just finished Theatre of War I can say without a doubt that this is probably Justin Richards' best Doctor Who story as it doesn't fall into the traps of dragging out the plot.
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Post by Hieronymus on Dec 11, 2015 5:03:03 GMT
Having just finished Theatre of War I can say without a doubt that this is probably Justin Richards' best Doctor Who story as it doesn't fall into the traps of dragging out the plot. This was the first novel I read by Justin Richards. It impressed me so much that I would for ever after become excited upon seeing another of his novels released. However, since Theatre of War is his best, I've always felt a small twinge of disappointment whenever I read anything new he's written. Not that his other novels are "bad"; they just don't achieve the thrill and greatness of Theatre of War for me. Ah, the pitfalls of reading the best one first. . . |
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Post by omega on Dec 11, 2015 8:42:08 GMT
Having just finished Theatre of War I can say without a doubt that this is probably Justin Richards' best Doctor Who story as it doesn't fall into the traps of dragging out the plot. This was the first novel I read by Justin Richards. It impressed me so much that I would for ever after become excited upon seeing another of his novels released. However, since Theatre of War is his best, I've always felt a small twinge of disappointment whenever I read anything new he's written. Not that his other novels are "bad"; they just don't achieve the thrill and greatness of Theatre of War for me. Ah, the pitfalls of reading the best one first. . . He's your man to go to for a solid, traditional story. Justin's not really an outside the box writer like Jonathan Morris or Lawrence Miles, and his works can sometimes be tediously forgettable ( Option Lock), but when he knocks out a good one, you know you'll enjoy it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 10:08:34 GMT
I really, really enjoyed this. Wonderfully huge theatrical scope, but grounded by great performances by all involved. I'd have liked if Ace had a little more to do, but then maybe that's just the way the novel was written. That was the trend for that period of New Adventures, since Ace's characterisation around that time could be a bit awkward to write for. She's sidelined for much of Legacy, the novel preceding Theatre of War. I bet there was a huge sigh of relief when Kate Orman finally wrote Ace out for real in Set Piece (and no, the event depicted on the cover does not actually happen in the novel). Between Deceit and No Future, the writers would sometimes put the Doctor and Ace (referred to in fandom as Space Bitch Ace during this period) as hugely antagonistic towards each other, Ace still not letting go of how his manipulative streak cost her a lover and spending three years taking out her aggression on Daleks. She even wears skintight clothing, as can be seen on the covers of various novels like First Frontier and Warlock. I honestly choose to put some of the later NAs that normally take place after No Future before Blood Heat because of the huge backward step in characterisation. Parasite and Warlock are two of the exceptions I'd probably make to that rule because Jim Mortimore and Andrew Cartmel have the Doctor, Benny and Ace be rather comfortable with one another by this point. Ace still thinks with her fists, but this isn't out of the ordinary considering her exploits in the past. |
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Post by omega on Dec 11, 2015 10:54:34 GMT
That was the trend for that period of New Adventures, since Ace's characterisation around that time could be a bit awkward to write for. She's sidelined for much of Legacy, the novel preceding Theatre of War. I bet there was a huge sigh of relief when Kate Orman finally wrote Ace out for real in Set Piece (and no, the event depicted on the cover does not actually happen in the novel). Between Deceit and No Future, the writers would sometimes put the Doctor and Ace (referred to in fandom as Space Bitch Ace during this period) as hugely antagonistic towards each other, Ace still not letting go of how his manipulative streak cost her a lover and spending three years taking out her aggression on Daleks. She even wears skintight clothing, as can be seen on the covers of various novels like First Frontier and Warlock. I honestly choose to put some of the later NAs that normally take place after No Future before Blood Heat because of the huge backward step in characterisation. Parasite and Warlock are two of the exceptions I'd probably make to that rule because Jim Mortimore and Andrew Cartmel have the Doctor, Benny and Ace be rather comfortable with one another by this point. Ace still thinks with her fists, but this isn't out of the ordinary considering her exploits in the past. So you think that Jim Mortimore and Andrew Cartmel had the best grasp on Ace's post- Deceit persona? Generally the writers either made her a more aggressive version of the Ace we saw on TV or sidelined her for the bulk of the story. Condundrum plays up her aggression, Ace even snaps at Benny believing she's siding with the Doctor. No Future does give Ace a more interesting role, allowing her to realise that for all the Doctor's questionable tactics he still has good intentions at heart (by comparing him with the Monk, who goes to similar lengths for more dubious ends). |
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Post by omega on Dec 11, 2015 11:16:11 GMT
I just realised an element of the plot that this story shares with another Justin Richards novel, Demontage with the Eighth Doctor, Fitz and Sam. {Spoiler (big one for Theatre of War, though the thread titles does say spoilers OK)}
A character with an agenda uses an old-fashioned weapon that won't be picked up by weapon scanners. In Theatre of War Lannic uses a pistol (no energy packs) while in Demontage the assassin smuggles in segments of a glass weapon. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 12:45:34 GMT
I honestly choose to put some of the later NAs that normally take place after No Future before Blood Heat because of the huge backward step in characterisation. Parasite and Warlock are two of the exceptions I'd probably make to that rule because Jim Mortimore and Andrew Cartmel have the Doctor, Benny and Ace be rather comfortable with one another by this point. Ace still thinks with her fists, but this isn't out of the ordinary considering her exploits in the past. So you think that Jim Mortimore and Andrew Cartmel had the best grasp on Ace's post- Deceit persona? Generally the writers either made her a more aggressive version of the Ace we saw on TV or sidelined her for the bulk of the story. Condundrum plays up her aggression, Ace even snaps at Benny believing she's siding with the Doctor. No Future does give Ace a more interesting role, allowing her to realise that for all the Doctor's questionable tactics he still has good intentions at heart (by comparing him with the Monk, who goes to similar lengths for more dubious ends). Ooh, it's been a while. Possibly? David McIntee was very good at injecting a little bit of humanity into her and Steve Lyons gave her anger a sense of weight and methodology. I think Parasite, Warlock and Set Piece follow an Ace who has come to terms with her rage. The damage was well and truly done by the Doctor back in Love and War, but the Ace of those two stories seems to have matured significantly and it fits the character's progression as we'd seen over the course of No Future. Her portrayal in stories like All-Consuming Fire and Falls the Shadow on the other hand feel as though they were commissioned early in the piece and would fit more in line with Lucifer Rising and other closely linked post- Deceit stories. You know, re-listening to the audio version of All-Consuming Fire, parts of it feel significantly disjointed. I'm pretty certain it's not just me either, its so choppy in its storytelling that it really does feel like bits are missing. Love and War and Theatre of War don't really suffer from the same feeling, so I wonder if it was a question of the adaptation not quite gelling like it should? |
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Post by Hieronymus on Dec 11, 2015 14:48:01 GMT
You know, re-listening to the audio version of All-Consuming Fire, parts of it feel significantly disjointed. I'm pretty certain it's not just me either, its so choppy in its storytelling that it really does feel like bits are missing. Love and War and Theatre of War don't really suffer from the same feeling, so I wonder if it was a question of the adaptation not quite gelling like it should? No, the novel of All-Consuming Fire felt choppy as well. But that's a discussion for another thread. . . |
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