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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2015 19:03:17 GMT
Hello, Since Matthew Waterhouse agreed to do DW audios, I was hoping for a trilogy featuring Season 19 TARDIS crew, and the positive response and good critics to The Fifth Doctor Box set seemed to pave the way to have more Adric in the audios, but looking at the next Fifth Doctor trilogies, they feature Tegan and Nyssa post Amsterdam. Do you know if Matthew will ever return to Doctor Who audio? I really hope so, Adric was one of my favourite characters (ducks in anticipation of negative reaction). What I'd really love is a trilogy set with Doc four before Traken (Big finish can fit a gap in there if they can fit a whole seasons worth of stories after Arc of Infinity)
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Post by omega on Dec 10, 2015 23:28:15 GMT
I really hope so, Adric was one of my favourite characters (ducks in anticipation of negative reaction). What I'd really love is a trilogy set with Doc four before Traken (Big finish can fit a gap in there if they can fit a whole seasons worth of stories after Arc of Infinity) I like Adric as a character too. He was a more realistic representation of someone in his situation, going from racketing around with a father/mentor figure to competing with a perpetual whiner for attention and having to act out just to get noticed. So like a teenager then. I'm in agreement about a season of stories set between Keeper of Traken and Logopolis. That was possibly the best story for Adric, he wasn't a know-nothing know it all, got on well with the Doctor, the Doctor tempered his less desirable qualities and generally was a genius companion characterised well. Audios with this pairing don't have to go to Earth, it's a big wide universe out there to explore. I do feel that Tom Baker and Matthew Waterhouse would work much better together. Tom doesn't seem to have the personality he had in the early 80's and has mended enough bridges to collaborate with Lalla Ward for at least 16 hours worth of material, so surely he'd be open to the idea of working with Matthew. Matthew has come far as an actor (admitting he might not have been the easiest person to work for), and was great in the Fifth Doctor Box Set. It's interesting, you go online and negative opinions about movies and characters are often all you read about them, then in real life or places like this you mention the same movies and characters to people and the views are a lot less critical. I was surprised on Gallifrey Base that some people liked Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, when everywhere else it's all vitriol. On one comment board about Indiana Jones recently the popular opinion was that there were only three movies.
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Post by Hieronymus on Dec 11, 2015 5:20:43 GMT
I'm in agreement about a season of stories set between Keeper of Traken and Logopolis. That was possibly the best story for Adric, he wasn't a know-nothing know it all, got on well with the Doctor . . . Matthew has come far as an actor (admitting he might not have been the easiest person to work for), and was great in the Fifth Doctor Box Set. Yes, the writing and characterization in Keeper of Traken played Adric as a proper character in his own right. It was only later that he was written as petulant, whiny, and bossy. And you think they'd have played that down a bit because of Tegan. I mean, they'd even made Janet Fielding wear that ghastly auburn hairpiece, ostensibly so the viewers wouldn't confuse her with Matthew Waterhouse (I'm not joking), so they should have kept the characterizations firmly different as well. I get the impression from the various interviews that the difficulties in working with Matthew Waterhouse came primarily from his being a totally inexperienced young newcomer to the BBC. When trying to be helpful or collegial, he sometimes ended up rubbing other actors the wrong way, such as offering acting tips to guest stars who had more than thirty years of experience. My impression is that this didn't happen with Tom Baker, as Matthew knew full well that he had nearly seven years experience in the role. But when Tom stepped down, and Peter Davison took over, there was no longer an older actor in the regular cast and Matthew was the "senior" cast member. I imagine that he naively tried to "help" the new cast members, and this led to unintended friction. I'd like to believe that any such friction among the cast was all an unintended result from the best of intentions.
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Post by omega on Dec 11, 2015 8:39:40 GMT
I'm in agreement about a season of stories set between Keeper of Traken and Logopolis. That was possibly the best story for Adric, he wasn't a know-nothing know it all, got on well with the Doctor . . . Matthew has come far as an actor (admitting he might not have been the easiest person to work for), and was great in the Fifth Doctor Box Set. Yes, the writing and characterization in Keeper of Traken played Adric as a proper character in his own right. It was only later that he was written as petulant, whiny, and bossy. And you think they'd have played that down a bit because of Tegan. I mean, they'd even made Janet Fielding wear that ghastly auburn hairpiece, ostensibly so the viewers wouldn't confuse her with Matthew Waterhouse (I'm not joking), so they should have kept the characterizations firmly different as well. I get the impression from the various interviews that the difficulties in working with Matthew Waterhouse came primarily from his being a totally inexperienced young newcomer to the BBC. When trying to be helpful or collegial, he sometimes ended up rubbing other actors the wrong way, such as offering acting tips to guest stars who had more than thirty years of experience. My impression is that this didn't happen with Tom Baker, as Matthew knew full well that he had nearly seven years experience in the role. But when Tom stepped down, and Peter Davison took over, there was no longer an older actor in the regular cast and Matthew was the "senior" cast member. I imagine that he naively tried to "help" the new cast members, and this led to unintended friction. I'd like to believe that any such friction among the cast was all an unintended result from the best of intentions. It certainly appears Matthew has grown up as an actor since he left Doctor Who. Fandom, or at least the corners who despise Adric at least, forget that Matthew was a teenager at the time, and since when have teenagers always thought their actions through or always been emotionally stable? If I'd been in that position I'd have done things I'd be regretting now, particularly if they become anecdotes trotted out at conventions. Especially considering he was in his dream job, and under intense scrutiny. I don't believe anyone deserves the flak he's been given, especially by Peter, Janet and Sarah in DVD commentaries (as well as how Peter and Sarah talk about him in the extras for Boy That Time Forgot). Fortunately we've seen his acting chops outside of Doctor Who, in a couple of excellent Dark Shadows roles (John Cunningham in The Creeping Fog and Andrew Cunningham in Bloodlust).
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Post by bobod on Dec 14, 2015 10:14:43 GMT
She wasn't made to wear a hairpiece, they just dyed her hair (and gave her a terrible hairdo to begin with).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 10:21:50 GMT
This rather good stop-motion animation here proves it could be done quite well and I'd be very interested to see what kind of Doctor/companion dynamic the two of them conjure up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 12:13:26 GMT
Yes, the writing and characterization in Keeper of Traken played Adric as a proper character in his own right. It was only later that he was written as petulant, whiny, and bossy. [...] I get the impression from the various interviews that the difficulties in working with Matthew Waterhouse came primarily from his being a totally inexperienced young newcomer to the BBC. When trying to be helpful or collegial, he sometimes ended up rubbing other actors the wrong way I don't believe anyone deserves the flak he's been given, especially by Peter, Janet and Sarah in DVD commentaries (as well as how Peter and Sarah talk about him in the extras for Boy That Time Forgot). I dunno, I reckon he did. His performances as Adric back then were very poor, and based on his TV performances Adric is one of the worst companions The Doctor has ever had for me. I lived through those days and they were not good, so I was damn glad when Adric died at the end of Eathshock. Of course how much of Adric's character back then was Matthew and how much was JNT and the scripts is open to debate... But fast forward to 2015 and based on Adric's appearance in the Fifth Doctor box set, I wouldn't object to more Adric in some Fourth Doctor stories with Tom, or Peter even. For me the thing Big Finish do best is redeem the characters treated poorly in the TV series. Big Finish has made me love the Sixth Doctor and even Melanie Bush, so why not Adric? The Boy That Time Forget was a Big Finish mis-step and Matthew can be glad he wasn't part of it, but for me there is - or should be - a future for Adric at Big Finish.
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Post by bobod on Dec 14, 2015 12:48:56 GMT
Indeed. He's great in both, particularly Bloodlust - where he won the Best Actor award, up against competition that included original TV Dark Shadows cast members.
He's a very good book reader too. As his readings of his novels and his memoirs show. (Same goes for his readings of Full Circle and The Visitation. I'm surprised he wasn't used for State of Decay.)
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Post by bobod on Dec 14, 2015 12:50:54 GMT
I can't understand why there's no sign of Tom and Matthew audios. Both have said say they'd do it. Missed opportunity.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Dec 14, 2015 17:46:50 GMT
Personally I would rather not have Adric back at all - whether it was the writing or the acting, the character came off poorly during his run on the show. To be honest, I wasn't impressed with the performance of Adric in the Fifth Doctor box set, I realize I am likely in the minority on this point, but for me no Adric is preferable.
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Post by elkawho on Dec 14, 2015 22:55:26 GMT
Personally I would rather not have Adric back at all - whether it was the writing or the acting, the character came off poorly during his run on the show. To be honest, I wasn't impressed with the performance of Adric in the Fifth Doctor box set, I realize I am likely in the minority on this point, but for me no Adric is preferable. You're not alone regarding his performance in the Fifth Doctor Box Set. I couldn't get past the fake voice. But I love his performances in Dark Shadows.
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Post by barnabaslives on Dec 15, 2015 14:14:42 GMT
Matthew's roles in Dark Shadows Bloodlust and The Fifth Doctor Box Set were a huge motivation for me to even start with Big Finish DW audios - that's probably the first Who item to actually land on my wishlist. I really like the lad and think it's stupendous for him to be reprising the role of Adric - I thought he did a fine job of it for Big Finish, too.
I'm sure I'm still desperately hoping for Matthew to turn up in one of the 4th Doctor Adventures as well as for more adventures with the 5th Doctor.
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Post by kurumais on Dec 15, 2015 14:27:06 GMT
after how terrific the box set was you would think it would be a no brainer. unless it didnt sell.
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Post by mrperson on Dec 15, 2015 17:05:53 GMT
I would prefer them to change the characterization if they were to have more Adric, continuity in character progression be damned.
However the writing or acting contributed to the character, I couldn't stand him on TV. It may very well be an accurate portrayal of a teenager by a teenager, but here's the thing: teenagers are often incredibly aggravating.
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Post by MayoTango131 on Dec 15, 2015 18:11:57 GMT
Personally I would rather not have Adric back at all - whether it was the writing or the acting, the character came off poorly during his run on the show. To be honest, I wasn't impressed with the performance of Adric in the Fifth Doctor box set, I realize I am likely in the minority on this point, but for me no Adric is preferable. You're not alone regarding his performance in the Fifth Doctor Box Set. I couldn't get past the fake voice. But I love his performances in Dark Shadows. I want more Adric, I prefer the boy that useless garbage like Danny Pink or Amy Pond. Of all the companions of the Fifth Doctor, he is the more three-dimensional and unpredictable. With the right writing Adric can be equal to Malcolm of "Malcolm in the Middle" or Amadeus Cho of Marvel Comics. There are no heard the voice of Mark Strickson in "The Emerald Tiger" sounds much older and distracting.
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Post by brax on Dec 16, 2015 0:21:10 GMT
I can't understand why there's no sign of Tom and Matthew audios. Both have said say they'd do it. Missed opportunity. Maybe the fact that he didn't have the best of times working with Lalla Ward is a part of what's holding it back?
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Post by bobod on Dec 16, 2015 9:24:16 GMT
I can't understand why there's no sign of Tom and Matthew audios. Both have said say they'd do it. Missed opportunity. Maybe the fact that he didn't have the best of times working with Lalla Ward is a part of what's holding it back? Let#s get Tom and Matthew audios made first before we worry about Tom, Matthew, Lalla (and John) audios!
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Post by icecreamdf on Dec 19, 2015 1:56:01 GMT
Four and Adric would mean less of Four with his better companions. I'd mich rather have more Romana and Leela than Adric.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 23:38:36 GMT
I can't understand why there's no sign of Tom and Matthew audios. Both have said say they'd do it. Missed opportunity. Eh, I'd put it down to anticipation There is also the matter of scheduling issues with Matthew given he lives in America.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 23:42:03 GMT
Four and Adric would mean less of Four with his better companions. I'd mich rather have more Romana and Leela than Adric. This might be a factor as well. I'd imagine Tom's releases sell significantly better then the other original Doctors (barring Eight) and there exists a different audience for his releases: for many Tom IS The Doctor and there is still that stigima of Adric, regardless of the existance of The Fifth Doctor boxset. Maybe a box set release for the pairing?
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