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Post by grinch on Nov 5, 2020 22:58:29 GMT
As a keen bibliophile and a former English literature student, I’ve realised over the years that there is a certain amount of snobbery when it comes to reading. And it got me thinking, what in your eyes makes someone well read?
Does it involve having read all of the ‘classics’? Or merely having a healthy love of books?
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Nov 5, 2020 23:21:03 GMT
A genuine love of reading, whether it's being a "buff" in 1 topic/genre, or just all and everything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 23:39:32 GMT
Ohh... The understanding that the more you know, the more there is to know. Questions lead to answers, leading to more questions, then more answers and on it goes. It's cyclical and inexhaustible. I think that's one of the real joys of it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 11:13:47 GMT
A genuine love of reading, whether it's being a "buff" in 1 topic/genre, or just all and everything. IMHO I would agree with this. I read loads - most of it horror, because I love that genre. I might be 'widely read' but not necessarily 'well read.'
On a similar subject, a friend of mine who watches a lot of television felt that there is still a lot of snobbery about TV watching as opposed to book reading. Is watching an adaption of 'Dracula' less well-regarded about reading an adaption of 'Dracula (for example)'? Both exercises are a way of getting information into the brain.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 6, 2020 11:20:48 GMT
What makes someone well read?
When they've read more than me!
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 6, 2020 12:22:03 GMT
Someone with an extremely varied palette and taste, and is able to contextualise them. I think American Pastoral and Flashman are great books for very different reasons: Scales of Injustice is no lesser of a work compared to, say, Hound of the Baskervilles. Each is the best version of themself.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 6, 2020 12:29:25 GMT
If they have no Dan Brown books in their collection they are well read.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 12:35:20 GMT
Someone with an extremely varied palette and taste, and is able to contextualise them. I think American Pastoral and Flashman are great books for very different reasons: Scales of Injustice is no lesser of a work compared to, say, Hound of the Baskervilles. Each is the best version of themself. Strong ditto. I'd put Scales up there as possibly the book to read if you're puzzling out a departure story for a longtime companion. The Doctor and Liz's final conversation in Regent's Park has to be some of the best stuff that Gary Russell's written. It's all we didn't get from Dr Shaw's sudden departure on television and more.
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Post by timegirl on Nov 6, 2020 15:48:30 GMT
Someone who reads a lot in of books (could be fiction, non-fiction, one genre, many different genres, etc) and is able to have meaningful discussion about what they read. I don’t think being well read applies to just reading classic literature, for example you can be well read if all you read is sci-fi, horror, and fantasy (like I do) or predominantly read travel and foodie memoirs (like my mom does). The ability to think/interpret and discuss what you have read plays an equal part in being well read as much in the actual subject of the books you are reading. You can get just as much out of reading the works of Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett as you can from William Shakespeare after all😉
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Post by The Brigadier on Nov 6, 2020 16:04:28 GMT
As a keen bibliophile and a former English literature student, I’ve realised over the years that there is a certain amount of snobbery when it comes to reading. And it got me thinking, what in your eyes makes someone well read? Does it involve having read all of the ‘classics’? Or merely having a healthy love of books? A healthy love of books. Or put another way and to shamelessly borrow from Dr.Seuss - “The more that you read, the more things you will know. The more that you learn, the more places you'll go."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2020 16:44:37 GMT
Being described as 'well read' is not dissimilar to being 'well travelled'. It ascribes the qualities of breadth and depth to the person. In travel, the person will not only have visited places covering a wide geographic area, but acquired a good deal of experience in their travels. In reading, one would expect a significant breadth of material to have been covered, not being confined to a particular genre or subject, and thus being assumed to have successfully attained a degree of knowledge and learning. An autodidact, for example would be someone who is assumed to be well read. To be well read is to have undertaken a journey of self improvement, whereas the ignorant traveller has been to many places, yet learnt nothing.
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Post by grinch on Nov 6, 2020 20:00:54 GMT
It’s certainly very interesting isn’t it the whole concept of well read. Hence why I started this thread of course.
I remember a friend of mine who, due to certain issues, had trouble focusing on reading the original text but thrived when it came to audiobooks (Did a lot of walking you see...) After a month, he’d listened to the likes of The Odyssey, Ulysses, several Shakespeares, yet certain teachers when they heard of this often looked down their noses at him because he hadn’t actually read the words on the page. And in their eyes, had cheated.
Who knows what they must have thought of the visually impaired and Braille text but it goes to show the snobbery that still exists around reading.
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Post by polly on Nov 6, 2020 20:46:12 GMT
Yeah, I think audiobooks are just as legitimate. And for things like Homer, which come from oral tradition anyway, that's arguably a more authentic experience. I had that revelation upon finally seeing Shakespeare performed (at the Globe, no less), after having only read the plays in book form.
Anyway, to me, being well-read is, to an extent, like that famous definition of pornography - I know it when I see it. But I had a brain storm and came up with a number of criteria to try and put that in more concrete terms.
1. As many have said already, a genuine love of reading. We have all read classic books in school because we were forced to, and if that was a hellish experience, I don't think it counts. We love stories, right?
2. Reading widely. I have no prejudice toward reading 25,000 Nora Roberts books by any means, but if that's all you read, I think you're doing yourself a disservice. Broadening one's palate is a critical point in my opinion. I believe we should be trying to learn and experience all sorts of things during our time on this rock, and books are a wonderful way to facilitate that intake of ideas. In fact, literature is one of the most "pure" forms of that. From the author's mind to yours, ideally with minimal interference.
3. Regardless of reading material, I think what distinguishes a well-read person from a more passive reader is an understanding and appreciation of storytelling technique and craft. I realize that sounds pretentious, but it's something that is more instinctive than many people think. There's this vision of dreary English majors poring over the hidden meanings of every line in spectacularly boring fashion, but in reality it doesn't have to be like that.
4. Understanding and interest in context. I often read classic books not just they're good stories that endured the test of time (which they often are), but because I have an interest in tracing the lineage of storytelling. I think being able to understand a book's place in history and its lasting influence can enrich your understanding of not only that book, but others that you read later.
The question of context also goes for the utter yahoos who have, over the years, tried to get books removed from school libraries and such. I will plant my flag in the ground and say that anyone who wants to get rid of Huck Finn or To Kill a Mockingbird based on the use of slurs, devoid of context, demonstrates that they are not well read.
Long story short, I think Point 1 is the most important. That passion is what separates the enthusiast from the general audience. Even in the context of Doctor Who, there's a reason some viewers are on forums like this, and others who simply watch it as just another TV show. There's nothing wrong with either one. My point is, you can tell somebody who is passionate on a topic from someone is not.
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Post by shutupbanks on Nov 6, 2020 22:48:22 GMT
It’s not what you read, it’s how you read. Well-read denotes an idea, not only that you’ve read a lot of what are considered to be classics or the best of modern/ recent writing, but are also able to make connections between them. An easy example (it’s 6:30 on a Saturday morning) would be Ozymandias in Watchmen. A casual reader would know that it’s a poem. Someone who’s read a bit more will make the connection between the character’s love of ancient Egypt and the subject of the poem. Someone more widely-read will pick up on the irony of the choice of name and the overall theme of the poem matched up to the theme of the comic. Somebody well-read will be aware of Horace Smith’s poem, published a few weeks after Shelley’s (under the same title: they had a competition going) which changes the setting to a ruined city (London, not New York) and make a further connection between the character and the theme.
But again, that only makes them well-read on the topic of Romantic poetry as it applies to Watchmen. Again, it’s all about being able to make connections between different works of literature/ art or historical events and so on. You may be well-read in one area, widely read in another, knowledgeable about something else, have a passing understanding of yet another area and be totally clueless about still another field. As Polly said, it all comes down to context.
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