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Post by timegirl on Dec 27, 2020 22:26:51 GMT
If you could go back and extend any incarnation’s tv era which one would you pick and what would you do with their now longer era? You can be as realistic or fanciful as you want.
Mine: Of course I would extend 12’s era! I would give him three more series: Two more with with Bill, Nardole, and Missy.
But with an additional character of a mysterious new female professor who 12 forms unexpectedly forms a romantic attachment to and seems oddly familiar. She would be played by a new actress and would show up in Earth centered stories to help out until the finale of the penultimate series when she kisses 12 revealing herself to actually be Clara using a perception filter the entire time! The kiss also restores 12’s memories of Clara. The last series is then 12 and Clara traveling together again and their TARDISs have combined together into one. Both 12 and Clara’s personalities have matured a lot since they parted in Hell Bent so they have a much more stable relationship. Missy has also stowed away in their TARDIS they discover and she causes trouble while also trying to be good. The series ends with 12 and Clara’s last day together before he regenerates and she has to return to her death and they decide to have one last adventure together. During these three additional series I would also explore 12’s rockstar/ musican side more and have at least one musical episode a series. Also I would probably at some point do a deaging plot with 12.
Which Doctor’s tv era would you extend? What would you do with the extended era?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 22:51:42 GMT
How do you manage to turn everything into Capaldi's Doc getting off with Clara? There are obvious reasons why era's didn't last - most Doctor's were shown the door, or at least not invited to return. Ratings, viewer feedback etc. I think it's only fair to take those OUT of the equation. Likewise, take media like BF and books out as they've been kinder to some than others obviously. SO to answer the question if all things were equal I should have liked a McGann series but not a US one. Some of the ideas for the proposed show were horrendous and I'd take McGann and give him the BBC treatment. 3 seasons at least - the romantic Byron figure, no angst. Then just as obviously I'd give Colin and Sylvester their last seasons each. Both of them we know pretty much how they'd have shaped out and while not earth shattering, I think they'd have been solid additions to the show and given both Doctors a chance to breathe and connect with an audience better. Davison's always said he played the role too young. So being wacky, he'd have come back in the 90s to play a Doctor closer to Campion.
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Post by timegirl on Dec 27, 2020 23:13:35 GMT
How do you manage to turn everything into Capaldi's Doc getting off with Clara? There are obvious reasons why era's didn't last - most Doctor's were shown the door, or at least not invited to return. Ratings, viewer feedback etc. I think it's only fair to take those OUT of the equation. Likewise, take media like BF and books out as they've been kinder to some than others obviously. SO to answer the question if all things were equal I should have liked a McGann series but not a US one. Some of the ideas for the proposed show were horrendous and I'd take McGann and give him the BBC treatment. 3 seasons at least - the romantic Byron figure, no angst. Then just as obviously I'd give Colin and Sylvester their last seasons each. Both of them we know pretty much how they'd have shaped out and while not earth shattering, I think they'd have been solid additions to the show and given both Doctors a chance to breathe and connect with an audience better. Davison's always said he played the role too young. So being wacky, he'd have come back in the 90s to play a Doctor closer to Campion. Haha 😁 I know I’m slightly predictable but that’s what I’d have happen if I could!😉 I like your choices! Definitely all incarnations that deserve longer eras! That’s an interesting choice of bringing back Davison in the 90s. I do think that Davison is better as an older world weary Doctor like he comes across on the audios. So would he be playing a different incarnation than 5?
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Post by doctorkernow on Dec 28, 2020 0:11:39 GMT
Hello again. If you are interested in seeing an extension to the Seventh Doctor's era one fan has become exec producer for Doctor Who and created the What If Doctor Who Wasn't Axed? Youtube channel. www.youtube.com/user/DaDoctorWhoFanIt is quite extraordinary. Starting with Season 27 it tracks the journey Doctor Who could have taken if it had not been cancelled which includes "a lot, and I mean an awful lot of guesswork." It even includes spinoffs. It is clear that this fan has taken ideas from all sorts of Doctor Who media and some of his ideas probably wouldn't have worked on tv. That said, it is a work of immense dedication and creativity. Back to timegirl's question. I feel that Classic Who reached its natural conclusion on BBC in 1989. The Beeb really didn't care about it. They wouldn't give it the money it needed and felt that its American imports e.g Star Trek, Buffy and the X Files were far better than 'tired' old Who. The so-called Wilderness years gave us a fascinating extension of the 7th Doctor. While some of the stories are not so good, I enjoyed the New Adventures and loved Bernice Summerfield. The 1996 movie had its moments and a great Doctor in Paul McGann but again the execs really weren't interested in a series. It took a sea change at executive level to greenlight Doctor Who. Without that time that Who wasn't on television we would not have got the story-making machine that is Big Finish. It is here that you get the true exensions to classic Who. Here budget is only limited by your imagination, all Doctors, but particularly the Eighties Doctors have had a real renaissance. Each has had a new companion that really worked: Erimem, Dr Evelyn Smythe and Hex. The Eighth Doctor has had some great stories and my favourite run of his, the epic season 4 of the eighth Doctor adventures, orginally broadcast on BBC Radio 7 now BBC 4 Extra. As far I'm concerned, Doctor Who had an epic first run, twenty-six years for such a difficult to write for show with new sets and cast every four or so weeks is extraordinary. The fact they got this produced in the first place on a BBC budet is remarkable. The ideas, the risks they took, the characters and the story-telling mark this series out as special in the minds of the British public. The only extended run I miss is season 23. I disliked the Trial and would have liked to have seen an untruncated season 23. The Lost stories give us a flavour but it would have been interesting to see them realised on screen.
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Post by constonks on Dec 28, 2020 23:48:35 GMT
The classic series is hard to expand without drastically changing parts of the EU that I like, but all those "hiatus" years of the New Series would be filled in a perfect world. Like how there's only one season in 2012-13 instead of two, no season in 2016 or 2019...
But I'm sure one day Big Finish will fill those gaps and I'll think the same as I do about the classic years - "but if it was on TV, we wouldn't have gotten those great audios!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 2:43:54 GMT
Producer Derrick Sherwin apparently tried to purchase the rights to the series after it had finished, so he could market it internationally. I kind of like the idea of the show coming to its natural conclusion in 1989... on television, and getting the JAG/Brooklyn Nine-Nine treatment with a twist. The series is picked up again by another production company, this time with direct-to-video sequels. Starting off small, but eventually getting to the point where they occassionally put out Special Releases once or twice every couple of years, featuring earlier Doctors (Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant star in Song of the Space Whale/Peter Davison and Mark Strickson in Endurance/Jon Pertwee and Caroline John in The Nightmare Fair).
Sitting inside the show's tenure itself... I would've liked to see an intervening production block between the Third Doctor's first and second seasons (Season 7 and 8). More Caroline John as Liz Shaw. Bringing the UNIT family into focus. Probably cutting down the episode count from the 7-parts standard to 4, as the Letts era did. A nice way of segueing Liz out might have been to have the Doctor and her arrive in Earth's past or an alien world. Put her face-to-face with the otherworldly in such a way that she gets antsy working at UNIT. Decides she'll be able to do far more, learn and teach far more, at Cambridge, outside the constraints of the Official Secrets Act and the threat of the week. A place where she can actually process what she's experienced.
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Post by theillusiveman on Dec 29, 2020 12:08:46 GMT
Extend The 6th Doctors Era to include the Missing Season 23 Stories- The Nightmare Fair, The Ultimate Evil, Yellow Fever, Mission To Magnus and The Hollows of Time Extend The 7th Doctor to Include The Missing Series 27 Stories Earth Aid, Ice Time, Crime of The Century and Alixion (avoid The Regeneration story) and have The Dark Dimension made in 1993
Obviously Extend The 8th Doctor to have Seasons from 1997-2001
Eccleston extend for a second series
Tennant two more series- have Series 5 with him instead of Matt
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Post by slithe on Dec 29, 2020 12:43:56 GMT
Extend 2nd Doctor's Era to include Season 7. I thought The Invasion was a really good set up and is one of Troughton's best stories, so would have loved to have seen his Doctor in this era. It would also be good to see Troughton in colour (and perhaps have more episodes).
I wonder what the 4th Doctor would be like in Season 19 - especially whether his Doctor would handle Tegan, Nyssa and Adric differently.
Unless BBC politics could also change, I am not sure whether 5th Doctor in Season 22 would have made much difference to the direction of the show. It might have been better to have had more 5th Doctor and Peri stories with Androzani at the end of Season 22 - would make more sense for the sacrifice that way.
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Post by doctorkernow on Dec 29, 2020 21:14:37 GMT
Hello again.
Some really interesting ideas. I too would have loved to see more of Liz Shaw. Her Companion Chronicles, particularly The Blue Tooth and The Last Post are excellent, they're the only ones I've heard. It would have been interesting to see Troughton escape the Time Lords but get stuck on Earth for Season 7 after they pinch his demat. circuit. He would make a great team with Liz and the Brig. Eccelstone series two yes please. Tennant series 5, no I think a change was needed and Matt Smith was perfect for that season. I would have liked to see more Capaldi, Bill and Nardole stories too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 22:14:58 GMT
Clearly Paul McGann should have had more than just the TVM. Although I doubt any TV production company, US or British, would have given us the diverse type of entertaining stories that Big Finish have given us. I definitely see Paul's Doctor as the one that got the raw deal though. (I consider the early MR Eighth Doctor stories with Charley Pollard as extensions to his TV era anyway.)
Chris Eccleston should have done more than one season too, (his choice though obviously) so I would like to have seen his era extended. The first year of the Ninth Doctor was brilliant and promised so so much, and then we were left with ...Barcelona... ! Fortunately, next year we'll get to hear our own version of what might have been.
Oh and the kid in me would love to have seen the Jon Pertwee era extended, as he was THE Doctor. However, that would have meant no Tom Baker in 1974... so the older kid in me will just leave things the way they were.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 5:50:21 GMT
Clearly Paul McGann should have had more than just the TVM. Although I doubt any TV production company, US or British, would have given us the diverse type of entertaining stories that Big Finish have given us. I definitely see Paul's Doctor as the one that got the raw deal though. (I consider the early MR Eighth Doctor stories with Charley Pollard as extensions to his TV era anyway.) Chris Eccleston should have done more than one season too, (his choice though obviously) so I would like to have seen his era extended. The first year of the Ninth Doctor was brilliant and promised so so much, and then we were left with ...Barcelona... ! Fortunately, next year we'll get to hear our own version of what might have been. Oh and the kid in me would love to have seen the Jon Pertwee era extended, as he was THE Doctor. However, that would have meant no Tom Baker in 1974... so the older kid in me will just leave things the way they were.
Yeah, I do like the idea that these new seasons exist in a sort of liminal space where both cake exists and can be eaten too. Although, as a fun thought experiment, you can get some rather interesting results shouldering each season forward. It could follow, thusly: - Pat Troughton being ushered in on the second story of the next season means the First Doctor bows out on The Tomb of the Cybermen and the Second Doctor appears for The Abominable Snowmen.
- The Second Doctor bows out in Inferno for the Third in Terror of the Autons.
- The Third Doctor would meet his final end saving Nerva Beacon in Revenge of the Cybermen as the Fourth Doctor arrives for Terror of the Zygons.
- The Fourth Doctor departs in Time-Flight (ouch)$ to make way for the Fifth Doctor in Arc of Infinity.
- Here's where I have to fudge it a bit... The Fifth Doctor departs in Revelation of the Daleks, making way for the Sixth Doctor in The Trial of a Time Lord.
- The Sixth Doctor bows out with Dragonfire with the Seventh assuming the role for Remembrance of the Daleks (and the one-off TV Movie).
~Time passes and things get a bit messy, temporally~
- We say hello to the Eighth Doctor in Rose, who bows out for The Parting of the Ways to make way for the Ninth Doctor in The Christmas Invasion.
- The Ninth Doctor says his goodbyes in Doomsday to make way for the Tenth Doctor in The Runaway Bride.
- The Tenth Doctor farewells in The Big Bang, in time for the Eleventh Doctor for A Christmas Carol.
- The Eleventh Doctor departs in Death in Heaven to make way for the Twelfth Doctor in The Magician's Apprentice.
- The Twelfth Doctor bids us farewell in The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos in time for the Thirteenth Doctor in Resolution.
Now, I'll reverse the polarity and flip that back a season -- with the caveat that Who starts with an unseen season in '62, rather than '63 -- and we get instead: - The First Doctor's departure occurs at the end of The Myth Makers with the Second Doctor assuming The Daleks Master Plan.#
- The Second Doctor bids us farewell at the end of The Wheel in Space with Jon Pertwee assuming the role for The Dominators.
- The Third Doctor sees his exeunt in The Green Death with the Fourth Doctor battling The Time Warrior.
- The Fourth Doctor... Hmm... This becomes a bit tricky. Let's say that Shada gets made but one of the other stories gets hit by the producton strike instead&. The Fifth emerges for The Leisure Hive.
- The Fifth Doctor up and goes for The Five Doctors and the Sixth Doctor steps in for Warriors of the Deep.
- The Sixth Doctor departs in Revelation of the Daleks with the Seventh Doctor debuting in Trial of a Time Lord.
- The Seventh Doctor leaves in The Greatest Show in the Galaxy, making way for the Eighth Doctor* in Battlefield.
- The Eighth Doctor departs in Survival with the Ninth Doctor debuting in the TV Movie.
- The Tenth Doctor appears for Rose, departing in (I want to say...?) Journey's End. The Eleventh Doctor debuts in The Next Doctor.
- The Eleventh Doctor departs in The Wedding of River Song, the Twelfth Doctor appearing in The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe.
- The Twelfth Doctor makes an exeunt in Hell Bent with the Thirteenth Doctor appearing for The Husbands of River Song. Potentially.
Gosh, that ended up being a lot more involved than I thought it'd be... $ - I could absolutely see Earthshock being shifted to make the departure, though. # - Quite an interesting bit of television storytelling, we get a glimpse into a new Doctor's debut story before the new Doctor has arrived (viz. Mission to the Unknown). & - That said, if they did have to rejig one of the serials for Tom's departure with no Shada, I could see Destiny of the Daleks taking that mantle in a pinch. * - Making Paul McGann the youngest Doctor to record at 30-years-old (a year younger than Peter Davison, who assumed the role in our timeline circa '82). Two years on from Withnail and I.
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Post by slithe on Dec 31, 2020 10:40:22 GMT
A Season 27 with McCoy would have been interesting - would the Cartmel Masterplan have come to fruition? For all the hints at the unused scripts for this season, the direction is still unclear - for every Lungbarrow you have Illegal Alien (which isn't in the same mould).
Ideally, you'd need to get rid of JNT as well and convince McCoy to do a Season 28 - I think it would need two seasons to develop the arc to fruition. After this, then the series may have had a hiatus before resuming again.
Not sure I'd want the Third Doctor to have gone into Season 11 - yep, he never met the Cybermen, but I just feel that the 4th Doctor and Davros is a better first encounter (Troughton might have pulled it off).
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