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Post by buzzshot on Oct 25, 2015 16:37:52 GMT
Listen is very overrated, I think He Jests at Scars... from the unbound range is underrated
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Post by mrperson on Oct 26, 2015 14:43:20 GMT
Recently gave Nekromanteia another listen. While I don't think it's a gem, I also think it's underrated. There were a few bits that were off for Who. Implied rape or attempted rape of a companion. The guy spying on Peri bathing. More gristly than usual scene with the guy's tongue and then heart being torn out. But there wasn't really anything too far off, and it still felt like a Who story. Just a rather gritty one.
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Post by constonks on Oct 26, 2015 18:52:54 GMT
I actually really enjoyed Zagreus. It's not perfect but I thought the concept of the TARDIS using the old Doctors and companions to tell its story was clever and something different. I've been meaning to give it a relisten at some point, but think I'd like to go through all the early Charley stuff.
As for stories I love that might not be in most big top fifty lists, The War Games, The Three Doctors and Let's Kill Hitler spring to mind.
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Post by grazey on Oct 28, 2015 12:08:00 GMT
I think zagreus is underrated. Understand why it was hated at the time but I think in hindsight it's one of the more enjoyable stories in the monthly range. Yes it's about a disc too long but with it being a celebration of 40 years of doctor who I will let it off for being overindulgent
The rapture is another story I get why it's hated but I still enjoyed regardless of its faults (the addition of aces back story is questionable plus her going out drinking seemed out of sort to me)
As for overated live 34. I didn't get the fuss over it
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Post by Tony Jones on Oct 28, 2015 12:09:53 GMT
I quite like The Rapture as well, though it could have done more
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Post by newt5996 on Oct 30, 2015 2:40:22 GMT
I quite like The Rapture as well, though it could have done more Yeah a lot of Joseph Lidster's stuff is vastly underrated.
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Post by omega on Oct 30, 2015 2:56:38 GMT
I quite like The Rapture as well, though it could have done more Joseph Lidster has to be congratulated for coming up with a substantial new angle with which to explore Ace, who had been thoroughly explored in the New Adventures. It's a shame that angle hasn't been touched upon since (it was referenced in a line in the Love and War adaptation), and is one of the few things that would get me excited for an upcoming Seventh Doctor and Ace audio.
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Post by talkingconverse6464 on Jun 28, 2017 21:46:43 GMT
in my opinion new new earth is never appreciated, the main villain isnt too terrifying but the jokes were hilarious
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Post by mrperson on Jun 29, 2017 1:08:00 GMT
The Mutant Phase. I love this one. It's a very clever story whose writers have clearly paid attention to the rules, quasi-rules, and not rules. The conclusion flows from the Doctor understanding which ones are in play and how that might interact with facts on the ground.
It tends not to win votes, but it's one of my favorites. That is how so-called Timey-Whimey ought go, if one intends to play. 4+ dimensional scenarios that don't make sense from our perspective, but could quite honestly make sense (not necessarily, but could) from another.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 2:21:22 GMT
On tv...Timelash or The Horns Of Nimon. I'd never say they were great but they're ust so much fun beause of Darrow and Crowden. The Horns of Nimon is, at least, extremely quotable:
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Post by seeley on Jun 29, 2017 6:58:48 GMT
I find the Time Monster quite underrated. Is it a classic of Holmesian caliber? No. But it's a perfectly enjoyable, wonderfully inventive story. I can't help but feel that a lot of the hate it gets is dogmatic. Surely there are far more deserving candidates for The Worst Story of All Time (TM)?
Overrated? Hmm. I'd say the End of Time, but I have a hard time gauging its exact reputation.
As for Big Finish, I think He Jests at Scars gets a lot of hate merely for being a Gary Russell-continuity fest, even though the continuity in question is neither obfuscating nor gratuitous.
And now for my what is likely to be my most unpopular opinion: I *really* don't like the Rocket Men. Mr. Dorney is normally a top-tier writer, but here he disappoints. The plot is predictable and tepid, and to be fair it is being deliberately traditional. But then the emotional core needs to be up to snuff, and it isn't. It comes across as trite and contrived. Yes, Barbara and Ian love each other, and yes, this is sweet, but it's a skin-deep treatment. I was obviously supposed to feel a lot of pathos, but it failed to emerge.
That said, it was the first Companion Chronicle (and among the first Big Finish Stories) that I listened to, several years ago, so it's quite possible my opinion will change on relistening. But then I listened to Find and Replace immediately afterwards and I loved that, so who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 7:07:42 GMT
On tv...Timelash or The Horns Of Nimon. I'd never say they were great but they're ust so much fun beause of Darrow and Crowden. The Horns of Nimon is, at least, extremely quotable: I'll always like Crowden in Nimon - Baker was on a go-slow strike giving maybe the laziest performance from any actor in the role so if Crowden didn't ramp it up then it would be a painfully flat episode. In a completely straight, non-ironic way I mean it when I say he's the best part of the story for me. He's doing his bit and he's treating the material in a perfectly valid way.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jun 29, 2017 7:16:30 GMT
The Horns of Nimon is, at least, extremely quotable: I'll always like Crowden in Nimon - Baker was on a go-slow strike giving maybe the laziest performance from any actor in the role so if Crowden didn't ramp it up then it would be a painfully flat episode. In a completely straight, non-ironic way I mean it when I say he's the best part of the story for me. He's doing his bit and he's treating the material in a perfectly valid way. Crowden even out hammys Bill Shatner, no mean feat that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 9:37:29 GMT
I'll always like Crowden in Nimon - Baker was on a go-slow strike giving maybe the laziest performance from any actor in the role so if Crowden didn't ramp it up then it would be a painfully flat episode. In a completely straight, non-ironic way I mean it when I say he's the best part of the story for me. He's doing his bit and he's treating the material in a perfectly valid way. Him and Lalla Ward, I reckon. She does a very good job as Romana playing the Doctor.
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Post by omega on Jun 29, 2017 9:55:20 GMT
I'll always like Crowden in Nimon - Baker was on a go-slow strike giving maybe the laziest performance from any actor in the role so if Crowden didn't ramp it up then it would be a painfully flat episode. In a completely straight, non-ironic way I mean it when I say he's the best part of the story for me. He's doing his bit and he's treating the material in a perfectly valid way. Him and Lalla Ward, I reckon. She does a very good job as Romana playing the Doctor. You can tell Tom is putting bugger all effort into his performance (he and Lalla clearly hate each other during filming), and the cheap look of the console room set doesn't help. The story is worth it for Soldeed alone. He probably chewed the scenery of the console room set. I'll leave this here.
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Post by number13 on Jun 29, 2017 12:29:42 GMT
Timelash is very underrated in my opinion. The script sprawls and some of the 'effects' are unintenionally hilarious (the Arm of Morlox and the interior of the Timelash mainly), but I still like the story very much - it's fun and that wasn't always true in the oh-so serious 'Doctor Who' of the 1980s. - Colin Baker is terrific - The Doctor is not pleased at getting stuck in a Time Corridor (again), and when this Doctor is displeased, or irritated by would-be companion Herbert, it shows! And a great line in insults. (“Microcellaphic apostate!”) - The host of Wells references, far more than I realised in 1985, including a clever nod to Wells’ satirical take on spiritualism from ‘Love and Mr. Lewisham’ where the hero challenges a fraudulent spiritualist. - The BlofeldBorad - Brilliant performance and makeup and surely the way he is introduced to viewers, seated in a chair and filmed in close-up without revealing his face, is a tribute to Bond villain Blofeld? The Borad is seen stroking not a white cat, but his own flipper!, and one of his lines sounds like a nod to Goldfinger. (Goldflipper?) “Choose your next words carefully, Doctor. They could be your last!” - Paul Darrow’s enjoyment of his role as the scheming Tekker is obvious. Not everyone liked the style here, but I think it’s great fun - “Save your breath for the Timelash, Doctor. Most people depart with a scream!” - Dean Hollingsworth is excellent as all the Borad’s sing-song voiced androids (but only one at a time, for obvious reasons) with a cleverly acted, contemporary 1980s ‘robo-dancing’ style. - Herbert. {Spoiler} Bubbling with enthusiasm at the idea of time and space travel and irritating the Doctor severely, he's H.G.Wells as if from the Unbound Universe - and again, he's fun.
And how can you not love the story which gave us the immortal line “He’s dangling on the edge of oblivion!”?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 13:21:18 GMT
Timelash is very underrated in my opinion. The script sprawls and some of the 'effects' are unintenionally hilarious (the Arm of Morlox and the interior of the Timelash mainly), but I still like the story very much - it's fun and that wasn't always true in the oh-so serious 'Doctor Who' of the 1980s. - Colin Baker is terrific - The Doctor is not pleased at getting stuck in a Time Corridor (again), and when this Doctor is displeased, or irritated by would-be companion Herbert, it shows! And a great line in insults. (“Microcellaphic apostate!”) - The host of Wells references, far more than I realised in 1985, including a clever nod to Wells’ satirical take on spiritualism from ‘Love and Mr. Lewisham’ where the hero challenges a fraudulent spiritualist. - The BlofeldBorad - Brilliant performance and makeup and surely the way he is introduced to viewers, seated in a chair and filmed in close-up without revealing his face, is a tribute to Bond villain Blofeld? The Borad is seen stroking not a white cat, but his own flipper!, and one of his lines sounds like a nod to Goldfinger. (Goldflipper?) “Choose your next words carefully, Doctor. They could be your last!” - Paul Darrow’s enjoyment of his role as the scheming Tekker is obvious. Not everyone liked the style here, but I think it’s great fun - “Save your breath for the Timelash, Doctor. Most people depart with a scream!” - Dean Hollingsworth is excellent as all the Borad’s sing-song voiced androids (but only one at a time, for obvious reasons) with a cleverly acted, contemporary 1980s ‘robo-dancing’ style. - Herbert. Bubbling with enthusiasm at the idea of time and space travel and irritating the Doctor severely, he's H.G.Wells as if from the Unbound Universe - and again, he's fun.
And how can you not love the story which gave us the immortal line “He’s dangling on the edge of oblivion!”? Mmm. Much closer in tone to something like The Five Doctors than The Caves of Androzani. I've cut it all down to two twenty-five minute episodes and rearranged some of the scenes as an experimental fanedit and the results are... pretty fair. It's a very watchable serial. I think what really hurts Timelash more than anything are twofold: the interminable TARDIS padding and the weird lack of foreshadowing in some cases. If the padding had been removed in favour of giving Peri something to do in a B-plot and/or bringing in the power struggle between the rebels/Bandrils and those in the Citadel sooner, it mightn't have seemed as unfocussed. Actually, here's an idea, how about Peri facing the unnatural consequnces of the Borad's time experiments while the Doctor and company are lain siege in the council room? Better yet, why not have the destruction of the Timelash be what stops the Bandril missile with the TARDIS (carrying a fleeing Borad who's strongarmed the Doctor) still apparently caught inside when it's destroyed? In a similar vein, The Twin Dilemma isn't really that bad. Its first episode drags as much as "The Web Planet", but the rest of the story is actually pretty fair. Had the story focussed purely on Jaconda rather than Titan III with the twins already kidnapped, I reckon it could have stood a chance in the wake of Androzani. I'd like to have seen some of the scenes in the novelisation used for the final story, you could've opened it with lightning from a thunderous evening felling a tree that rends the earth open, revealing hundreds upon thousands of Gastropod eggs. It's got some great lines in there too: "Childish threats are best left to children," is one of my favourites. I recommend the televised story for the Doctor and Azmael's friendship, if nothing else (played wonderfully between Colin and Maurice Denham in a final scene that should've closed out the story a la Snakedance).
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Post by number13 on Jun 29, 2017 13:38:11 GMT
Timelash is very underrated in my opinion. The script sprawls and some of the 'effects' are unintenionally hilarious (the Arm of Morlox and the interior of the Timelash mainly), but I still like the story very much - it's fun and that wasn't always true in the oh-so serious 'Doctor Who' of the 1980s. - Colin Baker is terrific - The Doctor is not pleased at getting stuck in a Time Corridor (again), and when this Doctor is displeased, or irritated by would-be companion Herbert, it shows! And a great line in insults. (“Microcellaphic apostate!”) - The host of Wells references, far more than I realised in 1985, including a clever nod to Wells’ satirical take on spiritualism from ‘Love and Mr. Lewisham’ where the hero challenges a fraudulent spiritualist. - The BlofeldBorad - Brilliant performance and makeup and surely the way he is introduced to viewers, seated in a chair and filmed in close-up without revealing his face, is a tribute to Bond villain Blofeld? The Borad is seen stroking not a white cat, but his own flipper!, and one of his lines sounds like a nod to Goldfinger. (Goldflipper?) “Choose your next words carefully, Doctor. They could be your last!” - Paul Darrow’s enjoyment of his role as the scheming Tekker is obvious. Not everyone liked the style here, but I think it’s great fun - “Save your breath for the Timelash, Doctor. Most people depart with a scream!” - Dean Hollingsworth is excellent as all the Borad’s sing-song voiced androids (but only one at a time, for obvious reasons) with a cleverly acted, contemporary 1980s ‘robo-dancing’ style. - Herbert. Bubbling with enthusiasm at the idea of time and space travel and irritating the Doctor severely, he's H.G.Wells as if from the Unbound Universe - and again, he's fun.
And how can you not love the story which gave us the immortal line “He’s dangling on the edge of oblivion!”? Mmm. Much closer in tone to something like The Five Doctors than The Caves of Androzani. I've cut it all down to two twenty-five minute episodes and rearranged some of the scenes as an experimental fanedit and the results are... pretty fair. It's a very watchable serial. I think what really hurts Timelash more than anything are twofold: the interminable TARDIS padding and the weird lack of foreshadowing in some cases. If the padding had been removed in favour of giving Peri something to do in a B-plot and/or bringing in the power struggle between the rebels/Bandrils and those in the Citadel sooner, it mightn't have seemed as unfocussed. Actually, here's an idea, how about Peri facing the unnatural consequnces of the Borad's time experiments while the Doctor and company are lain siege in the council room? Better yet, why not have the destruction of the Timelash be what stops the Bandril missile with the TARDIS (carrying a fleeing Borad who's strongarmed the Doctor) still apparently caught inside when it's destroyed? In a similar vein, The Twin Dilemma isn't really that bad. Its first episode drags as much as "The Web Planet", but the rest of the story is actually pretty fair. Had the story focussed purely on Jaconda rather than Titan III with the twins already kidnapped, I reckon it could have stood a chance in the wake of Androzani. I'd like to have seen some of the scenes in the novelisation used for the final story, you could've opened it with lightning from a thunderous evening felling a tree that rends the earth open, revealing hundreds upon thousands of Gastropod eggs. It's got some great lines in there too: "Childish threats are best left to children," is one of my favourites. I recommend the televised story for the Doctor and Azmael's friendship, if nothing else (played wonderfully between Colin and Maurice Denham in a final scene that should've closed out the story a la Snakedance). 'the interminable TARDIS padding and the weird lack of foreshadowing' - yes, in both cases. An underrunning story and no money to do anything else to fill the time accounted for the first unfortunately. As for the second, the script needed more polishing but according to the production notes there was a general lack of time because of work being done on other stories. It could have been a successful serious story, but as it stands I don't try to watch it as such, simply to enjoy the ride and chortle tolerantly at the points where things don't work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 16:42:55 GMT
Spare Parts
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Post by theotherjosh on Jun 29, 2017 18:12:08 GMT
Spare Parts *ducks for cover* Paging Doctorman Allan. Paging Doctorman Allan. You're needed in the operating theater to make a...correction to seaniesbeanies.
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