I've had major, major reservations over S11 and last night's special but S12 showed me that there is a lot that this team can do together and that Chibnall is capable of doing his own thing with the show and the mythos rather than be deferential (and, indeed, highly referential) to previous successful eras, mainly the RTD one.
So with "like" being quite a low bar, I'm a "yes" here. Don't love it. Overall it's the weakest era of the show's return still but if the next 8 eps have another Tesla, Villa Diodati or Timeless Children (in ambition and balls, if not for the rather divisive canon stuff, which I loved personally) then I'm sure we can end on a high.
Does Jodie get a 4th season? I would have said no before but with shortened runs, especially losing another 2 eps this coming season, I think she'd deserve it. Epecially since that can mean getting a regen and new Doctor in the 60th anniversary year potentially which would be a nice boost for the show - big milestone and the rubbernecking viewers a new Doc always gets.
I still maintain that Ryan and Graham should have been S11 companions, left in Resolution and Yaz joins then. You'd need to rejig things a bit but it would automarically make Yaz less redundant for much of her run and given more focus to the character beats since they wouldn't have had to spread the scripts as thing between 3 companions. I'm unsure on John Bishop. I really like him, I think he's a brilliant, relatable comic and presenter and that he'll be fine in the role. I don't see, though, that he won't be Graham Redux as they're both kinda cheeky chappy actors, who can be funny but warm with it. I was looking forward to the first all-female Tardis crew and the dynamics that opened up storywise, especially with the special being pretty on the nose about Yaz's intentions here..
So we're probably closer to the end than the start for Jodie overall...and I do like her. I like most of the show and love some of it. But if the next run isn't at least good, then I can sadly say I'm ready to see a new lead and a new showrunner.
I must say, the sooner this era of DW comes to an end, then the sooner idiots on Facebook will stop posting under BF stories about how much they hate what's going on on tv. Mind you, they'll still carry on posting asking what tv channel BF DW is on, or that they're going to wait till it's animated, or why doesn't Paul McGann have his own tv show, but it'll be a start.
On a more constructive note, what the show needs at present is something along the lines of Barry Letts's Executive Producer role above JNT; just somebody who can lean in and nod in an appropriate direction when necessary.
I think Series 11 was broadcast in the wrong order and there’s an alternate order that makes it better viewing. I think it’s prone to fall back on trying to capture past glories, the RTD era in particular. And I think they’ve struggled to balance a TARDIS team of four, despite each of them being great in their own right. The big example is you can count on one hand the amount of exchanges Graham and Yaz have had in two full series.
However, in the grand scheme of things, I’m really liking this era. Series 12 in particular, and the historical and late standalone episodes of Series 11, shine and show the potential and highs this era can reach. I do believe that Series 13 will continue that momentum, following the events of The Timeless Children for the Doctor, a very dedicated Yaz and how that dynamic will show to a brand new companion in Dan. If I was to compare it to what’s come before, it feels like we could be in for a dangerous dynamic with the Doctor & Clara, albeit this time with that extra person to keep them from pushing themselves too far.
Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jan 2, 2021 17:08:59 GMT
No. I don't like the current era, I love it. I had fallen out of love with Who during the Capaldi years, often not even bothering to watch it on a weekly basis just catching up with it when I was bored, but now my fandom is renewed.
Yes and No are very simplistic choices for Doctor Who! I suppose on the face of it we must all enjoy Doctor Who on some level or we wouldn't bother watching it... even if it's only to complain about it on Facebook & Twitter. But there are shades of grey in every Doctor Who season, regardless of who has been in charge.
I like most of the Chris Chibnall era so far. There have been bits of it that didn't work for me but overall I have to say that I am finding Jodie's 13th Doctor to be more fun than not. I thought S12 was generally better than S11, although there was still the odd misstep for me... the Timeless Children nonsense being one major annoyance. I have enjoyed the two New Year's Day 'specials' though. Graham, Ryan and Yaz have been really good companions too, when they got the chance to shine. I think three companions was too much for the modern era though as they were all underused at some stage. S13 might work out better in that respect.
So I have ticked the Yes box in the poll as I mostly like it, but it's not perfect by any means.
It took me a while to get used to the less frenzied style of writing for Series 11, but I'd say I liked it from the get-go. Looking back, I really appreciate that series because it stripped Doctor Who back to a tale of the travelling Doctor - who happened to be female this time around - and her friends, before Series 12 (which I also loved) brought back the continuity so beloved by Steven Moffat, with a bang. The two New Year's specials have been exemplary, and there has been a definite arc to the journeys of Ryan and Graham. They both have challenges - dyspraxia and cancer - which have not gone away, but they've both experienced the time of their lives with 'the Doc', before electing to return to normality. I love the simplicity of that. This leaves lovely, strong, fragile, loyal Yaz, who has her own problems to face. I am really looking forward to the developing character (she's my favourite, in case you hadn't noticed).
So as you can tell, I am wrapped up in the lives of the regular cast, I really like the stripped-back style of the stories, Jodie is a delight and gets better all the time, and the incidental music is - as I've said before - some of the best ever. Yes, you could say I like this current era a great deal.
I guess I’m a no. I don’t hate it but I also don’t particularly like it. It’s all a bit too bland and when it’s bad it’s never because of a bad story but because it doesn’t actually tell a story. Sure there are some great episodes sprinkled here and there but it is honestly a mess of a show right now.
Yes and no is the short answer. The long answer is that there are episodes and aspects I enjoy: the northerness, all the historical episodes, Graham, It takes you away, the new Daleks that can hold onto people’s backs, Sacha Dewan, the Fugitive Doctor, It Takes You Away, and aspects of the Timeless Children. There’s a lot though that I have difficulty connecting with though. 13 herself I have issues with. There are a few little moments that I like for example her scene at the end of “ Demons of the Punjab”, the frog scene, when we first learn of her friendship with O, and her reactions in Timeless Children. However I have issues with her incarnation like letting the spiders suffocate, her lack of action in Kerblam, turning into the Master to the Nazis, lack of comfort to Graham about his cancer, etc. I want to support 13 because Jodie seems like a lovely person and she’s the first official female Doctor but I just have difficulty connecting to 13’s overly falsely cheerful personality, and her character development seems lacking compared to 12, my absolute favorite incarnation. I feel guilty about this but sometimes I just have so much difficulty connecting to 13, I just wish for 12 back. As for the companions Graham is my favorite, he’s down to earth, lovable and reminds me a bit of my own northern relatives. Ryan, I have mixed feelings about. I think they should have done more with the fact that he’s an explicitly neurodiverse/disabled companion. Considering the Doctor themselves is portrayed as neurodiverse it would have been interesting to see 13 and Ryan bonding and trying to help each other cope. Yaz, I think has a lot of untapped potential as a companion. We have seen interesting hints of her love of danger as well as the possibility of a romance with 13. In a way she reminds me a bit of Clara which has me intrigued. The new companion Dan caught my attention in the short clip. It would be a nice change of pace to have a Liverpudlian companion and I have to say he seems like he’s a bit of a silver fox which is never a bad thing! I am am cautiously optimistic about the Timeless Child and fugitive Doctor revelations. I don’t want too many details about what the Doctor’s true origin is but I would like to meet and hear more about timeless incarnations. I love the Fugitive Doctor and I am curious to see what they do with her next and where she fits in the timeline, I really hope she lives up to her fabulous introduction! Another aspect of this era that can’t quite put my finger on though is it just feels off to me, like the balance isn’t quite right. I think it has a lot to do with how much I love and and adore the previous era and 12, it makes things about this current era harder for me to get into. I occasionally cry or am touched but I just don’t get the deep and passionate feelings I got for Capaldi’s era. 13’s era just doesn’t make me feel as connected to their journeys. I don’t cry or feel my heart pounding as often. So in conclusion, yes there are things I enjoy about this era but it will never ever be my favorite.
Was really excited at the start of the era. S11 brought back that can't wait for the next episode feeling that haven't really had since was a kid. So am surprised that am leaning towards no.
Find it very hit and miss. There are too many what seems like basic errors. Clunky dialogue and underdeveloped characters. Which was ok in S11 but not so good when continued into S12.
Lovely moment between Yaz and Graham on the spaceship which just comes out of nowhere. Seem to be quite a few of these types of moment which just don't really feel earnt. Whatever was wrong with Ryan just seemed to get better after first few episodes. As don't remember it been brought up or having any effect. Find Yaz frustrating as everything seems to be there for her to be an amazing companion expect the writing. In the few mins Ruth Doctor was on screen she felt more like the doctor than 13.
I'm enjoying it on the whole. I am quite enthusiastic about season 12, and liked season 11 pretty well, too. I enjoy Whittaker in the role and have enjoyed the sense of surprise and wonder that this era has managed to achieve when it's at its best. I continue to look forward to new Who every week when it's airing and anticipate its return when it's not. This era may not ever be my all time favorite era of Who, but it does share a lot of things in common with my favorite era. At this moment, it's ranking about the middle for me. There are eras I like more and Doctors I like more, but there are also eras and Doctors I like much less, so I'm overall pleased with where the show is right now and feel no desire for a shake up in cast or crew as I want to see where everything goes with the current long term story line.
I’m loving it, despite there being things that I don’t like so much. But, I can say that about every era of Who, even my beloved Williams Era.
I think it’s great television. That doesn’t necessarily make it great Who, though. It looks brilliant: the cinematography is magnificent, with colours everywhere and effects that look superb - the Daleks pouring out of the saucer the other day looked better than they ever have, IMNSHO.
The writing and tone feels very even across the series: I think the advent of a writers room, like most series dramas have, has been beneficial to the show: while the quality of writing can vary, I don’t feel we’ve had a Caves of Androzani/ Twin Dilemma whammy yet. However, we’re seeing a more passive Doctor in a lot of stories - but I think a lot of criticisms of Jodie’s acting and style can be laid at the feet of 12 who wanted his new incarnation to “be kind.” The lack of bombast and epic stories was a pleasant change during Series 11 but I think Series 12 had a nice mix of the personal and the blockbuster.
The characters and acting are of a consistently high standard. I think Tosin Cole has done brilliantly with the work he has been given in the last series: Ryan took a back seat this series but I never once thought he was phoning it in (quiet acting isn’t the same as “wooden”) while Bradley and Mandip have knocked it out of the park in both seasons. I’ve said it before but in Series 11 I felt that Graham was a real person who had stumbled aboard the TARDIS, not a character. We never really got to know Yaz during her first season but that was changed during her second, and right from the get go we knew something interesting was happening: her conversation with O in Spyfall gave a lot of clues about where she was heading and it delivered (another example of good writing). I don’t like the character drops we get with all our supporting characters or bit parts (when the nearly-PM asked about the lorry drivers mum in Revolution, I knew he wasn’t going to last long) because it does feel a bit laboured and obvious. It can add nuance and make us feel a little more but it’s something that can be done more economically, I think.
On the downside, I don’t like the way we present the Doctor as a social misfit at times (although watching some early Pertwee the other day I was reminded that he missed a few social cues at times, as well); the borrowing of story parts can be repetitive - but I feel the same way about Silver Nemsis and Remembrance - ; and the waffling about weapons being bad and the overuse of the sonic screwdriver has been annoying - just as it was in Tennant’s first season. I’m glad the “soap opera” elements have been played down a little more, as they were something I disliked throughout the RTD run of the show, but I love it when characters have a life away from the TARDIS and we learn a little more about them.
Jodie herself has been superb. I think she’s had a handle on the character from the beginning and her development from wide-eyed wonder to someone who’s a lot more guarded has been fantastic.
"There's a horror movie named Alien? That's really offensive. No wonder everybody keeps invading you."
Yes. I wasn’t totally blown away by series 11 and not every episode is going to be a winner, but that’s just how TV is, Doctor Who is not exempt. They found their stride in series 12, felt far more sure-footed than their first series. And while there’s still room for improvement, I’m happy with where it’s at and the direction it’s headed.
I had not been completely on board with series 11. It was too much colourful bubble-gum forced cheerfulness for me. And I am just not a fan of the companions. However, I warmed up to the darker tone of series 12, the grumpy Doctor and some of the tackled topics. I really hope they continue with the darker tone! I adore the new Master. Also, I agree that the sound design and especially the music in series 12 was great. That is a highlight. Plus, the visuals are stunning.
On the other hand, I really despise the sledgehammer method of driving a message home. Since I have started re-watching Classic Who, I am used to a more or less subtle approach to present political or environmental messages. And I mainly agree with those. But the way it is handled in series 12 left me with a bad taste, and I actually agreed to the presented messages! No wonder it created so much hate and some of it was so controversial. Plus, I am not a fan of the whole Timeless Children thing. Just a personal matter of taste. And to be honest, I liked Ruth Doctor so much more than Jodie. I would have been totally on board if we had a regeneration and would have been off sailing with Ruth. I loved the attitude, the costume, the TARDIS. I really hope we see more of Ruth.
On the other hand, I really despise the sledgehammer method of driving a message home. Since I have started re-watching Classic Who, I am used to a more or less subtle approach to present political or environmental messages. And I mainly agree with those. But the way it is handled in series 12 left me with a bad taste, and I actually agreed to the presented messages! No wonder it created so much hate and some of it was so controversial.
But I find myself questioning that: Classic Who wasn't that much more subtle in how it handled its political messages. Whether it was the bad guys basically screaming out their political philosophies as their catchphrases (I don't think 'exterminate' or 'don't interfere' or 'you shall be like us' need their origins spelt out), or speeches like Ian's 'Dislike for the Unlike' from Daleks, or even stories where the message is the entire driving force: how would a story like Green Death or Happiness Patrol be misread or otherwise 'vague' in its message and what it's talking about? How could one come away from 'Invasion of the Dinosaurs' and not get the message clear as day? I mean, Sun Makers is ultra-libertarian: it literally ends with Bob Holmes killing the tax man.
My contention here is not that one was more subtle than the other: I instead argue that the definition of 'subtle' in reference to narrative presentation of topics has become weakened through a more colloquial use. This is turn is reinforced by a nostalgic lens that a not unsizeable amount of people never move past with this franchise: if you didn't pick up on the message as an 8 yr old when you first saw the story, then it never existed.
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