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Post by grinch on Jan 6, 2021 19:19:31 GMT
This is perhaps the second best out of the entirety of the villains trilogy. Next to the following release ‘Master’ of course. Has some excellent side characters in this played brilliantly by the late Bernard Horsfall and Zoë herself Wendy Padbury.
If anything, I think it goes to show effective Davros can be when he doesn’t have to rely on or be overshadowed by his most famous creations the Daleks.
What did you all think?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 19:23:59 GMT
This is perhaps the second best out of the entirety of the villains trilogy. Next to the following release ‘Master’ of course. Has some excellent side characters in this played brilliantly by the late Bernard Horsfall and Zoë herself Wendy Padbury. If anything, I think it goes to show effective Davros can be when he doesn’t have to rely on or be overshadowed by his most famous creations the Daleks. What did you all think? Will give it a fresh pair of ears-I just finished TIME WAR 4 lol...I have to say though Master is my favourite of that range but it is due a relisten once I have Davros/Dalek freed my mind a bit ,but I have liked all that series
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 20:01:01 GMT
I love it. Disquieting. Complex. I think it manages to be genuinely clever on a multitude of levels both within its own framework and outside of it.
It does that wonderful thing that a lot of Lance Parkin stories tend to do. Continuity is used strategically to bolster up not only its own storytelling, but that of the stories surrounding it. Little touches for the larger pattern. Knowing the significance of Shan, for instance, puts the one-sided affections of Tasembeker towards Jobel in Revelation of the Daleks in an entirely new light. It's not just sadism on Davros's part, although that's certainly part of it. It's also a way for him to exorcise any doubt he had about the Terry Nation to his Raymond Cusick. Banish that spectre. The food production methods on Skaro also prefigure some rather nasty developments at Tranquil Repose and the commission from TAI explains, rather naturally, the Great Healer's state of affairs on Necros.
It also has quite a number of things to say in its own right, too. It's difficult picking a stand out moment for Terry Molloy because there are so many. There's that fatal moment at the very beginning, Davros's description of his 90-year conscious imprisonment between Destiny and Resurrection, but my favourite has to be the moment where he explains to Kim why he laughs. We get it all the time with villains. The diabolical giggle when all is going to plan. It's so much more chilling to hear the context behind it. He laughs, he says, because he finds it all so easy. As an unusually quiet, yet earnest Doctor says: Between this, The Juggernauts and The Curse of Davros, I tend to put the banter between the Sixth Doctor and Davros up there with the classic "First Doctor vs. Daleks", "Second Doctor vs. Cybermen", "Third Doctor vs. Master" dynamics. Both Colin Baker and Terry Molloy really make it their own.
A cool and compelling meditation on not just the nature of evil in a Doctor Who villain, but also what sustains it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 22:46:40 GMT
You know i don’t think this one made that much of an impact on me, at least compared to Master which i still can picture vividly. I think i remember enjoying it but found it a bit lacking compared to its reputation, will have to give it a another listen at somepoint.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jan 14, 2021 23:52:01 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Jan 27, 2021 11:50:55 GMT
Another one I'm sure I've written about before, because its still one my absolute favorites.
The writing and Terry Molly's are miles ahead of anything he got on TV.
Its also the clearest example of a Villain in the "Villains Trilogy". Davros is purely amoral. Its his logical reasoning that he's the cleverest one around,War's levels the Ecommany so therefore War is logical.
Also from a personal perceptive, everytime he begins to get somewhere this almost as clever but morally driven Doctor comes along and thwarts him.
A resounding 5/5
Regards
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Post by ljwilson on Jan 27, 2021 12:28:48 GMT
I do like this revisit of past releases, so Davros has now been added to the app for another listen.
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Post by ljwilson on Feb 26, 2021 15:41:44 GMT
Relisten finished, and this one is a belter. As mark says above, the writing is top notch and Terry Molloy is on top, top form.
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Post by Kestrel on Mar 1, 2021 7:53:26 GMT
This was a weird story, and I'm not sure how I'd rate it relative to the others in the trilogy--I think I liked the Master one more, but I'd need a Realisten to say for sure. That said, I definitely agree that Davros really shines here, on his own, in a scenario where we don't also have to deal with the Daleks. I've always felt that was a weird pairing: once the Daleks exist, Davros is obsolete. It maybe makes sense for the Daleks to venerate Davros as their creator, but it doesn't make much sense for me that they'd want to keep him around.
Honestly I think Davros would be a more compelling character were he constrained to a single human lifetime, but the great weakness of Doctor Who is that that continuity of the franchise can never allow time to pass in any meaningful way: every enemy must be immortal, always ready to pop up in new stories, and--like the Doctor--can never die.
All of which may sound like a digression, but this story made me imagine an alternate version of the franchise, where stories were written more with an eye toward realism than perpetual serialization. A universe where Davros' might be permitted to be born, to live, and to die. Where we might see a genuine character arc for Davros, unleashing an unholy terror upon the universe, forced to reconcile with the outcome of his actions and his responsibilities to the universe, and perhaps one day honestly seek to make amends. A Davros who, on his deathbed, might denounce the Daleks, and somehow function as something other than the mustache-twirling cartoon villain he usually is.
And yeah, I know: I have a bad habit of hoping for the impossible. But that's just how things roll sometimes, right?
All that said, I want to especially praise this story for its pacing and tension. I don't normally pay attention to writers' names (they have to really impress me), so I don't know whether or not this is a common trait of Molloy's work, but in this case at least it made for some very engaging adventure storytelling. And, as-always, Colon Baker does an absolute bang-up job.
One thing I'm curious about, though--and maybe this is just an idle, pointless thought--is how this story might slot into the larger, mostly nonsensical continuity. As I recall, this story takes place in relatively "early years" for Davros--presumably before he/the Daleks achieved time travel tech and the whole timeline turned to mush. At this point in time, the Daleks would be a relatively new threat... so does this story occur near or at about the same point in time as The Davros Mission story included in the I, Davros set?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 9:58:24 GMT
This was a weird story, and I'm not sure how I'd rate it relative to the others in the trilogy--I think I liked the Master one more, but I'd need a Realisten to say for sure. That said, I definitely agree that Davros really shines here, on his own, in a scenario where we don't also have to deal with the Daleks. I've always felt that was a weird pairing: once the Daleks exist, Davros is obsolete. It maybe makes sense for the Daleks to venerate Davros as their creator, but it doesn't make much sense for me that they'd want to keep him around. Honestly I think Davros would be a more compelling character were he constrained to a single human lifetime, but the great weakness of Doctor Who is that that continuity of the franchise can never allow time to pass in any meaningful way: every enemy must be immortal, always ready to pop up in new stories, and--like the Doctor--can never die. All of which may sound like a digression, but this story made me imagine an alternate version of the franchise, where stories were written more with an eye toward realism than perpetual serialization. A universe where Davros' might be permitted to be born, to live, and to die. Where we might see a genuine character arc for Davros, unleashing an unholy terror upon the universe, forced to reconcile with the outcome of his actions and his responsibilities to the universe, and perhaps one day honestly seek to make amends. A Davros who, on his deathbed, might denounce the Daleks, and somehow function as something other than the mustache-twirling cartoon villain he usually is. And yeah, I know: I have a bad habit of hoping for the impossible. But that's just how things roll sometimes, right? All that said, I want to especially praise this story for its pacing and tension. I don't normally pay attention to writers' names (they have to really impress me), so I don't know whether or not this is a common trait of Molloy's work, but in this case at least it made for some very engaging adventure storytelling. And, as-always, Colon Baker does an absolute bang-up job. One thing I'm curious about, though--and maybe this is just an idle, pointless thought--is how this story might slot into the larger, mostly nonsensical continuity. As I recall, this story takes place in relatively "early years" for Davros--presumably before he/the Daleks achieved time travel tech and the whole timeline turned to mush. At this point in time, the Daleks would be a relatively new threat... so does this story occur near or at about the same point in time as The Davros Mission story included in the I, Davros set?Very near. Remember, by this point Resurrection of the Daleks with its time corridor technology has already happened by this point. The Daleks have access to time travel, but this is from a period after the Movellan War. Something that ended quite badly for the Daleks. Their empire was crippled by bacteriological warfare that splintered them into smaller factions with their own agendas. The most prominent clash of which, the Sixth Doctor will see begin in Revelation of the Daleks. Set immediately after Davros. The Davros Mission is tricky. Continuity-wise, everything else in the Imperial-Renegade Civil War fits except that one. The only fix I can really think of is that Lareen follows, but doesn't approach the shuttle for quite some time. Waiting for the last few days before they reach Skarosian space. Long after the first shuttle crashes in The Juggernauts (which fits the Daleks' singleminded stubborness to a tee).
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