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Post by The Brigadier on Jan 10, 2021 16:18:29 GMT
Rather than performing thread necromancy... One thing that I hadn't quite realised when picking up the recently released downloads of the older Bernice Summerfield series was how much the continuity of the audios was tied into the continuity of the novels, especially Death And The Daleks. As someone who hasn't read any of the books and has a completionist tendency to feel that gaps in the story he's listening to / reading from is like having a maddening itch you simply cannot scratch...well you can guess my feelings at the massive gap in continuity in the last story of series 4. So with a hat tip to Ela for the first link from 2016 (covers up to the end of series 11) and Tim Bradley for the second (covers up to and including volume 5 of The New Adventures Of Bernice Summerfield), I'm sharing the following for those of you slowly making way through the older stories in 2021 and scratching your heads in confusion at some of the gaps. Hope it helps. -(and yes, an order for Life During Wartime has been placed as a result 😊). www.drwhoguide.com/bennybk.htmbradleybasement.wordpress.com/sci-fi/doctor-who/doctor-who-timelines/the-companions-timelines-index/bennys-timeline/ |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 11, 2021 11:57:27 GMT
Needed for some one like me. As ive decided not to listen to series 2 until ive read the first two books.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 12:20:08 GMT
One thing that I hadn't quite realised when picking up the recently released downloads of the older Bernice Summerfield series was how much the continuity of the audios was tied into the continuity of the novels, especially Death And The Daleks. That was the problem when the early Big Finish Bernice Summerfield novels went out of print... it was a shared continuity. People who could only listen to the Bernice Summerfield audios missed out on the events in the novels that tied in to the bigger picture. You needed the stories from both mediums to fully know what was going on... you could muddle through without reading the books, but you would be scratching your head at times. |
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 19, 2021 11:11:33 GMT
I suppose I'm lucky, then, that I've never really felt any egregious gaps in my knowledge of that continuity when listening to older stories. Thankfully, and I don't know how consistently this is the case across the range, the greater continuity is either introduced when relevant, or only alluded to so briefly that it doesn't really affect the story.
There's simply so much Benny I very much doubt I'll ever have a firm handle on the series or it's continuity. I expect I'll mostly just stumble through as I've been doing: picking up whatever seems interesting at the time and letting sales guide me.
The only thing I was really curious about was Brax's timeline, since it also spins in and out of the Gallifrey range, but from everything I've heard it's an impenetrable Gordian's Knot that simply isn't worth trying to untangle.
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Post by constonks on Jan 20, 2021 23:33:09 GMT
The only thing I was really curious about was Brax's timeline, since it also spins in and out of the Gallifrey range, but from everything I've heard it's an impenetrable Gordian's Knot that simply isn't worth trying to untangle. The roughest answer to that is that Brax goes from Gallifrey to the Benny box sets to the Benny books/single releases to his appearance in Theatre of War a thousand years later. But there's enough paradox involved that it's addressed in Gallifrey 8. |
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 22, 2021 0:49:32 GMT
It's been a while since I ,Ostende to the relevant story, so I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but in one of the Gallifrey stories... in GAL 4, maybe? Anyway, in one of those stories Brax is basically teleported into the middle of nowhere, where he encounters Benny (for the first time?). I asked on Reddit on the time, and was told that no story directly follows up from where that scene left off.
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Post by constonks on Jan 22, 2021 16:57:16 GMT
It's been a while since I ,Ostende to the relevant story, so I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but in one of the Gallifrey stories... in GAL 4, maybe? Anyway, in one of those stories Brax is basically teleported into the middle of nowhere, where he encounters Benny (for the first time?). I asked on Reddit on the time, and was told that no story directly follows up from where that scene left off. It's the second episode of Gallifrey 4, yeah. Irving's first meeting with Benny is also in Dragon's Wrath - but only the novel - so that's technically the "direct followup." The BF story that follows it up is in Legion Epoch though, at least in Brax's timeline, and continues along the box sets until Missing Persons. He references the events of Gallifrey, right down to the Pandora virus playing a part in one of the stories, and he assumes he's in a parallel timeline because 1) there's already another Brax running around and 2) he was travelling through the Axis in Gallifrey 4 so could have ended up anywhere in the multiverse. EDIT: for clarity, here's Brax's timeline as I have it! {Spoiler}
(BF in black, Virgin in red)
On Gallifrey
The Empire of Glass
Zagreus
Weapon of Choice
Square One
The Inquiry
Lies
Spirit
Pandora
Mindbomb
Panacea
Reborn
Disassembled
Dragons’ Wrath (Novel only)
Legion
The Curse of Fenman (Flashback)
Judgement Day
Paradise Frost
Vesuvius Falling
Shades of Gray
Everybody Loves Irving
Filthy Lucre
The Curse of Fenman
The Brimstone Kid
In Living Memory
St. Oscar’s and the Collection
Ship of Fools
Deadfall
The Medusa Effect
Where Angels Fear
Tears of the Oracle
Return to the Fractured Planet
Twilight of the Gods
The Doomsday Manuscript
The Gods of the Underworld
The Squire’s Crystal
The Extinction Event
The Infernal Nexus
The Skymines of Karthos
The Glass Prison
The Mirror Effect
The Bellotron Incident
The Draconian Rage
The Poison Seas
Death and the Daleks
The Crystal of Cantus
The Empire State
The Tub Full of Cats
The Judas Gift
Freedom of Information
The End of the World
The Final Amendment
The Wake
Glory Days
Secret Origins
Resurrecting the Past
Escaping the Future
The Future of the Collection
Legacy
Theatre of War (Novel & Audio Adaptation)
Happy Endings
Back to Gallifrey
Intervention Earth
Enemy Lines
Celestial Intervention
Soldier Obscura
Desperate Measures |
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Post by Kestrel on Jan 25, 2021 23:06:10 GMT
Hm... assuming you didn't simply cut-off the timeline at random, that's a bit of an unfortunate spoiler for the GTW range.
I assume I'd be fine simply listening to the Bernice Summerfield stories featuring Brax in production order, right?
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Post by constonks on Feb 1, 2021 4:02:41 GMT
Hm... assuming you didn't simply cut-off the timeline at random, that's a bit of an unfortunate spoiler for the GTW range. Well, he's not in 2 or 3 but back in GTW 4! And yeah, really, it's made to be from Benny's perspective - an earlier/alternate Brax showing up isn't something she's expecting either! |
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 2, 2021 0:30:56 GMT
Speaking of: with the current Benny sale, I'm thinking bows a good time to dove in. It looks like Braxiatel's first appearance (at least as played by Miles Richardson) is in the series 2 story, "The Extinction Event." I know both Benny and Brax were created novels, so I gotta ask: does this story serve as a good introduction to their relationship, or do we just sort of jump in where both Benny and Brax already know each other pretty well?
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Post by Ela on May 24, 2021 17:52:38 GMT
From Benny's perspective, her first meeting with Brax was in the Seventh Doctor Virgin New Adventure Theatre of War. It was later produced as an audio story by Big Finish in the Novel Adaptations range.
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