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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 17, 2021 8:21:10 GMT
How does this imply the Curator is retired? The whole point is it's 11 saying he could eventually retire from saving the universe and become the Curator (which he eventually does). The Undergallery is still UNIT though, so if the Curator works there he still works for UNIT. Exactly. That's the logical meaning of what he said. It's a UNIT gallery. Regardless of who owns th galley 11 speculated that he would retire & become the great curator. But BF will milk this for as long as possible I guess.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 17, 2021 12:34:05 GMT
What really surprised me is that this set that opens very fresh and very sure of itself. We're thrown straight into things, Kate and Osgood are in their element and it finally feels like this range knows what it is and what it's doing. That's not a slight on the previous eight sets, it had plenty of highlights, but it always suffered from that big reset button and never quite knowing what it wanted to do, always conscious that it was pre-The Day of the Doctor.
The Enemy Beyond is a great set up, with plenty of mystery and I like the use of the Eleven across the set. I've previously said I'm fatigued by the character, despite Mark Bonnar being never less than excellent, and I think his dynamic here without the Doctor is interesting and feels genuinely threatening and surprising.
I wasn't keen on Fire and Ice. I didn't really get the purpose of it, to be honest. It's not a brilliant introduction to Harry and Naomi because it's very keen to not reveal what happened to them on their travels with the Doctor. I understand that, but it's a fine line because when we will inevitably find out in the Fourth Doctor range, this episode will feel all the more throwaway. It doesn't help the pair of them aren't given much to do either. The Ice Warrior plot isn't massively interesting either. I think it's one of those episodes that has a lot going on that could be quite good in their own right, but it just ends up being an hour of... well I'm not sure what it was really!
Eleven's Eleven was good fun and I enjoyed the heist aspect and UNIT and the Eleven trying to outdo each other.
The Curator's Gambit riffs too much on The Day of the Doctor to its detriment - the painting twist you can see coming from a mile off - but it's enjoyable all the same. I like the use of the Curator in it and I think he's better utilised than in Stranded. Speaking of the 50th, I thought it was odd that they leant on it and yet never made one mention of where the other Osgood is!
Notable mention for Jemma Redgrave, who I've always been fond of though appreciate her performance isn't for everyone, but she's properly great in this set and very assured.
Overall it's a good set and I think this is a positive new direction for the range, where a bigger story / threat will help to overcome the shortcomings of the first "era". I hope it doesn't lean too heavily on returning monsters and elements, as even in this set their use is a mixed affair.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 18:01:46 GMT
What really surprised me is that this set that opens very fresh and very sure of itself. We're thrown straight into things, Kate and Osgood are in their element and it finally feels like this range knows what it is and what it's doing. That's not a slight on the previous eight sets, it had plenty of highlights, but it always suffered from that big reset button and never quite knowing what it wanted to do, always conscious that it was pre-The Day of the Doctor. The Enemy Beyond is a great set up, with plenty of mystery and I like the use of the Eleven across the set. I've previously said I'm fatigued by the character, despite Mark Bonnar being never less than excellent, and I think his dynamic here without the Doctor is interesting and feels genuinely threatening and surprising. I wasn't keen on Fire and Ice. I didn't really get the purpose of it, to be honest. It's not a brilliant introduction to Harry and Naomi because it's very keen to not reveal what happened to them on their travels with the Doctor. I understand that, but it's a fine line because when we will inevitably find out in the Fourth Doctor range, this episode will feel all the more throwaway. It doesn't help the pair of them aren't given much to do either. The Ice Warrior plot isn't massively interesting either. I think it's one of those episodes that has a lot going on that could be quite good in their own right, but it just ends up being an hour of... well I'm not sure what it was really! Eleven's Eleven was good fun and I enjoyed the heist aspect and UNIT and the Eleven trying to outdo each other. The Curator's Gambit riffs too much on The Day of the Doctor to its detriment - the painting twist you can see coming from a mile off - but it's enjoyable all the same. I like the use of the Curator in it and I think he's better utilised than in Stranded. Speaking of the 50th, I thought it was odd that they leant on it and yet never made one mention of where the other Osgood is! Notable mention for Jemma Redgrave, who I've always been fond of though appreciate her performance isn't for everyone, but she's properly great in this set and very assured. Overall it's a good set and I think this is a positive new direction for the range, where a bigger story / threat will help to overcome the shortcomings of the first "era". I hope it doesn't lean too heavily on returning monsters and elements, as even in this set their use is a mixed affair. Got to Agree that the weaker story was actually from one of the best writers. I know we have two characters that will travel with 4 but that isn’t until 23/24 isn’t it? The Curator we agree was better used in this definitely..but will i buy the second set...yes i will there was enough to give me hope If you watch the Trailer you kind of get the feeling that the Ice Warriors were perhaps used as a selling point but heck there’s a nice picture of Josh and the Arch 😂
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Post by masterdoctor on Nov 17, 2021 18:20:16 GMT
Damn this set was firing on all cylinders. Even though I agree that Fire and I’ve was the weakest, it was still very good.
The Enemy Beyond started things off with a bang and allowed for The Eleven to really do something different and both Redgrave(I agree with Shallactop that she always puts in a good performance, but this one is especially good). James MacCallum is really good to, and this is one of Andrew Smith’s best scripts
Fire and Ice is a story that I think will work better when the rest of Harry and Naomi’s story is told. That might not work for everyone, but for myself I really enjoy trying to piece things together. The Ice Warriors feel a bit left to the side, and could have had more, but they were enjoyable nonetheless.
Eleven’s Eleven is my favourite, and the story just flows so well and the character so well served. McMullin really plays to Oliver’s and Bonnar’s strengths as actors, and it feels like the perfect length for the story
The Curator’s Gambit is quite good, and I enjoy the Curator, though it did feel like it began to stall halfway through. Though I am very excited to see where the next set goes!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 18:23:33 GMT
Damn this set was firing on all cylinders. Even though I agree that Fire and I’ve was the weakest, it was still very good. The Enemy Beyond started things off with a bang and allowed for The Eleven to really do something different and both Redgrave(I agree with Shallactop that she always puts in a good performance, but this one is especially good). James MacCallum is really good to, and this is one of Andrew Smith’s best scripts Fire and Ice is a story that I think will work better when the rest of Harry and Naomi’s story is told. That might not work for everyone, but for myself I really enjoy trying to piece things together. The Ice Warriors feel a bit left to the side, and could have had more, but they were enjoyable nonetheless. Eleven’s Eleven is my favourite, and the story just flows so well and the character so well served. McMullin really plays to Oliver’s and Bonnar’s strengths as actors, and it feels like the perfect length for the story The Curator’s Gambit is quite good, and I enjoy the Curator, though it did feel like it began to stall halfway through. Though I am very excited to see where the next set goes! Got to say I felt Lisa Myles was a real strong point too she stood out among a strong cast
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 17, 2021 18:35:23 GMT
Damn this set was firing on all cylinders. Even though I agree that Fire and I’ve was the weakest, it was still very good. The Enemy Beyond started things off with a bang and allowed for The Eleven to really do something different and both Redgrave(I agree with Shallactop that she always puts in a good performance, but this one is especially good). James MacCallum is really good to, and this is one of Andrew Smith’s best scripts Fire and Ice is a story that I think will work better when the rest of Harry and Naomi’s story is told. That might not work for everyone, but for myself I really enjoy trying to piece things together. The Ice Warriors feel a bit left to the side, and could have had more, but they were enjoyable nonetheless. Eleven’s Eleven is my favourite, and the story just flows so well and the character so well served. McMullin really plays to Oliver’s and Bonnar’s strengths as actors, and it feels like the perfect length for the story The Curator’s Gambit is quite good, and I enjoy the Curator, though it did feel like it began to stall halfway through. Though I am very excited to see where the next set goes! Got to say I felt Lisa Myles was a real strong point too she stood out among a strong cast Do you mean Tracey Wiles, lol?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2021 18:35:51 GMT
Got to say I felt Lisa Myles was a real strong point too she stood out among a strong cast Do you mean Tracey Wiles, lol? Hahahah yes i do lol am in bed and not feeling too great....i forgive myself
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Post by masterdoctor on Nov 17, 2021 18:37:26 GMT
Damn this set was firing on all cylinders. Even though I agree that Fire and I’ve was the weakest, it was still very good. The Enemy Beyond started things off with a bang and allowed for The Eleven to really do something different and both Redgrave(I agree with Shallactop that she always puts in a good performance, but this one is especially good). James MacCallum is really good to, and this is one of Andrew Smith’s best scripts Fire and Ice is a story that I think will work better when the rest of Harry and Naomi’s story is told. That might not work for everyone, but for myself I really enjoy trying to piece things together. The Ice Warriors feel a bit left to the side, and could have had more, but they were enjoyable nonetheless. Eleven’s Eleven is my favourite, and the story just flows so well and the character so well served. McMullin really plays to Oliver’s and Bonnar’s strengths as actors, and it feels like the perfect length for the story The Curator’s Gambit is quite good, and I enjoy the Curator, though it did feel like it began to stall halfway through. Though I am very excited to see where the next set goes! Got to say I felt Lisa Myles was a real strong point too she stood out among a strong cast Tracy Wiles is always so good and reliable, that I think I took her performance for granted in this set! Loved her in Lady Christina Series 2 as well!
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 17, 2021 18:40:31 GMT
Honestly Jacqui McGee is the saving grace of this set for me and probably the factor that makes me want to get the next set.
There were times where I was like “okay this is getting tedious” and then I got a Jacqui scene and all was well.
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Nov 17, 2021 19:00:33 GMT
Exactly. That's the logical meaning of what he said. It's a UNIT gallery. Regardless of who owns th galley 11 speculated that he would retire & become the great curator. But BF will milk this for as long as possible I guess. We all know the Doctor is psychologically incapable of sitting on his hands no matter how old he gets. He "retired" to become a university professor for decades, too, and that didn't last. If the Curator were a total non-action guy, I'd call bull. He did retire from TARDISing around everywhere (which, as someone else already said, is clearly what he meant by "retire") and he did become the great curator. This is not mutually exclusive with helping UNIT. A job curating UNIT's secret undergallery is by definition going to mean the occasional involvement in secret ops, especially to collect or utilize the things for/in the undergallery. That's just common sense. Otherwise, they'd hire someone with no more extra qualifications than the curator from "Mona Lisa's Revenge".
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Post by melkur on Nov 17, 2021 20:26:08 GMT
Just wrapping up part 3, and am enjoying it fair-enough so far.
Don't know where it's going, but am at least interested-enough to see where it's going down the road... WHADDA YA' MEAN THE NEXT RELEASE WITH THEM ISN'T OUT UNTIL 2024?!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 17, 2021 20:36:32 GMT
Regardless of who owns th galley 11 speculated that he would retire & become the great curator. But BF will milk this for as long as possible I guess. We all know the Doctor is psychologically incapable of sitting on his hands no matter how old he gets. He "retired" to become a university professor for decades, too, and that didn't last. If the Curator were a total non-action guy, I'd call bull. He did retire from TARDISing around everywhere (which, as someone else already said, is clearly what he meant by "retire") and he did become the great curator. This is not mutually exclusive with helping UNIT. A job curating UNIT's secret undergallery is by definition going to mean the occasional involvement in secret ops, especially to collect or utilize the things for/in the undergallery. That's just common sense. Otherwise, they'd hire someone with no more extra qualifications than the curator from "Mona Lisa's Revenge". Is it? I think we are all reading too much into something that was just a fun easter egg in the 50th.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 17, 2021 20:57:48 GMT
*Curator appears in Doctor Who audios*
*Doctor Who dies*
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Post by thelonecenturion on Nov 17, 2021 20:58:27 GMT
We all know the Doctor is psychologically incapable of sitting on his hands no matter how old he gets. He "retired" to become a university professor for decades, too, and that didn't last. If the Curator were a total non-action guy, I'd call bull. He did retire from TARDISing around everywhere (which, as someone else already said, is clearly what he meant by "retire") and he did become the great curator. This is not mutually exclusive with helping UNIT. A job curating UNIT's secret undergallery is by definition going to mean the occasional involvement in secret ops, especially to collect or utilize the things for/in the undergallery. That's just common sense. Otherwise, they'd hire someone with no more extra qualifications than the curator from "Mona Lisa's Revenge". Is it? I think we are all reading too much into something that was just a fun easter egg in the 50th. I think reading too much into it is saying that the Curator can't be featured in stories "because he's retired" even though his only on-screen appearance made it clear he was working for UNIT. Anything using the Curator goes through Moffat anyway, and I doubt he'd just let BF do whatever they wanted if it went against his intentions.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 17, 2021 21:29:28 GMT
*Curator appears in Doctor Who audios* *Doctor Who dies* Weird thing to say.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Nov 17, 2021 21:34:44 GMT
*Curator appears in Doctor Who audios* *Doctor Who dies* Weird thing to say. Weird thing to waste your time responding to.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 17, 2021 21:36:09 GMT
Is it? I think we are all reading too much into something that was just a fun easter egg in the 50th. I think reading too much into it is saying that the Curator can't be featured in stories "because he's retired" even though his only on-screen appearance made it clear he was working for UNIT. Anything using the Curator goes through Moffat anyway, and I doubt he'd just let BF do whatever they wanted if it went against his intentions. That's why I said "we". But my point has also been proved by making it a statement of fact that it is clear he was working for UNIT. It is just a simple point of view & other views are equally valid.
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Post by Kestrel on Nov 18, 2021 4:54:26 GMT
Does the Curator actually add anything to this story or is it just more Stranded-style vague portentousness?
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Post by theillusiveman on Nov 18, 2021 5:58:03 GMT
Does the Curator actually add anything to this story or is it just more Stranded-style vague portentousness? He has much more of a bigger role in the UNIT Story and is better used here than in Stranded He even has a sword fight with The 11
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 18, 2021 9:01:37 GMT
Does the Curator actually add anything to this story or is it just more Stranded-style vague portentousness? He has much more of a bigger role in the UNIT Story and is better used here than in Stranded He even has a sword fight with The 11 Oh dear.
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