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Post by timegirl on May 10, 2021 18:31:04 GMT
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 10, 2021 19:55:28 GMT
I trust all you lovely people to be more thoughtful, but I feel I should say that answering with 'the gender doesn't matter, just be a good writer' is kind of a non-answer. Like, you think Chris is asking for random women to be given jobs on the show? I hope we can give timegirl something meatier than that for her question.
As for me, hey, the track record on the ones we have gotten is pretty good, so by all means the more the merrier!
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 10, 2021 20:38:11 GMT
Now, an easy recommend: Sarah Phelps. Done a lot of stuff, but recently did a spate of Christie adaptations, culminating in last year's The Pale Horse, which up the gothic horror elements of the original. Need proof: www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7fGhHzRGG4Tell me you don't want this lady doing a Holmes Gothic story.
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Post by timegirl on May 10, 2021 20:59:37 GMT
Just a thought, I am surprised we have never had a female showrunner in the modern era 🤔
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2021 21:36:39 GMT
I think he brings up a very good point about the lack of female writers on DW. What are your thoughts on it? More female writers are most welcome. Maybe you should send in an application to the Doctor Who production office in Cardiff ... with a synopsis of a story about romance in the TARDIS!
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Post by timegirl on May 10, 2021 22:17:31 GMT
I think he brings up a very good point about the lack of female writers on DW. What are your thoughts on it? More female writers are most welcome. Maybe you should send in an application to the Doctor Who production office in Cardiff ... with a synopsis of a story about romance in the TARDIS! That’s a massive compliment 😊Believe me I’d love to! I have many ideas....😉
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Post by theillusiveman on May 11, 2021 9:40:27 GMT
if the writer has a good script then sure go for it, i think that everyone should be given a chance to write for the show and especially Big Finish
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Post by number13 on May 11, 2021 12:28:34 GMT
If they aren't already doing so (and in fact I think they have done) TV Who should follow BF's lead - go and look for talented female writers and they'll be found. (If you haven't heard it yet, I highly recommend 'The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield Vol 5' as a practical example of this, and a brilliant set of stories for Benny/Unbound Doctor.)
But isn't the question a bit behind the times? Leaving aside the episodes written by the showrunner, hasn't TV Who been about 50/50 by writing gender recently? My suggestion for future series would be: look for various extra writers to replace some of the episodes that would have been written by the showrunner... Recently they haven't always been my favourite episodes!
It's a long time since TV Who would sometimes take a chance on new or relatively new writers (new to TV at least), so I guess they would be wanting well-known TV writing 'names' and since there's very little other British science fiction, look to TV writers in other genres, or overseas; one of the joys of 'Doctor Who' is that it can incorporate practically any other genre and make it feel at home. 'Doctor Who' must always feel an essentially British show, but that's down to finding good writers who understand the 'house style', they could be from anywhere.
Cyber-women sounds very 1970s to me, like a 'Two Ronnies' spoof! Cyber men is gender-neutral, they are dehumanising monsters and when someone is converted, gender is made meaningless, along with everything else which makes us human.
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Post by timegirl on May 11, 2021 14:15:32 GMT
If they aren't already doing so (and in fact I think they have done) TV Who should follow BF's lead - go and look for talented female writers and they'll be found. (If you haven't heard it yet, I highly recommend 'The New Adventures of Bernice Summerfield Vol 5' as a practical example of this, and a brilliant set of stories for Benny/Unbound Doctor.)
But isn't the question a bit behind the times? Leaving aside the episodes written by the showrunner, hasn't TV Who been about 50/50 by writing gender recently? My suggestion for future series would be: look for various extra writers to replace some of the episodes that would have been written by the showrunner... Recently they haven't always been my favourite episodes!
It's a long time since TV Who would sometimes take a chance on new or relatively new writers (new to TV at least), so I guess they would be wanting well-known TV writing 'names' and since there's very little other British science fiction, look to TV writers in other genres, or overseas; one of the joys of 'Doctor Who' is that it can incorporate practically any other genre and make it feel at home. 'Doctor Who' must always feel an essentially British show, but that's down to finding good writers who understand the 'house style', they could be from anywhere.
Cyber-women sounds very 1970s to me, like a 'Two Ronnies' spoof! Cyber men is gender-neutral, they are dehumanising monsters and when someone is converted, gender is made meaningless, along with everything else which makes us human. Not exactly a cyber woman, but I have thought for a while now that I am surprised DW has never done a take on “The Stepford Wives”. It would be a much better fit for 13 than 9 though.
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Post by pazzer on May 11, 2021 16:30:16 GMT
Don't think it's a problem unique to Who. As seem to remember a study few years back saying there weren't a lot of female TV show writers out there.
The Torchwood cyberwoman story was more than enough for me.
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 11, 2021 17:27:29 GMT
I imagine that an Ecclestonian Cyberwoman might be remisincent of the gynoids in "Christmas on a Rational Planet", alhtough I doubt he's read that....
It's also worth noting that Steven Moffat insisted that female writers and directors weren't keen to write for DW, the implication being that those Chibnall brought in weren't necessarily interested in the show so much as worrking for Chibnall or with the changes he was bringing in.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 11, 2021 17:48:25 GMT
It's also worth noting that Steven Moffat insisted that female writers and directors weren't keen to write for DW, the implication being that those Chibnall brought in weren't necessarily interested in the show so much as worrking for Chibnall or with the changes he was bringing in. I think that comment is worth unpacking a bit more, since BF throws the first part into some doubt (or is Moffat referring to much higher up female writers and directors who simply may be focused on their own work and not see much reason to staff on someone else's show) but also, if we do take it at face value, why might Who, up till then, not seemed appealing to female creatives?
I also find the second point odd - the episodes Wilkinson, Blackman, James, Metivier and Alderton put out don't read as mercenary or 'not interested' in the show they are part of. They seem to understand the show well, contain references and motifs that would only make sense if you had a genuine affection for it, rather than just wanting to work with Chris. They aren't these generic stories that, say, Steve Thompson's were (who, let's be frank, would he have written on Who if not for his relationship with Moffat?)
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Post by timegirl on May 11, 2021 17:52:34 GMT
I imagine that an Ecclestonian Cyberwoman might be remisincent of the gynoids in "Christmas on a Rational Planet", alhtough I doubt he's read that.... It's also worth noting that Steven Moffat insisted that female writers and directors weren't keen to write for DW, the implication being that those Chibnall brought in weren't necessarily interested in the show so much as worrking for Chibnall or with the changes he was bringing in. I find that hard to believe! I bet there are plenty of female writers and directors who would clamor to work for Doctor Who if they were just asked. As much as I love some of the things Moffat did during his time as showrunner, that sounds a bit like stereotyping women as not being interested in sci-fi. A stereotype which is very much not true there are tons of women who love Doctor Who and sci-fi in general, myself included.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on May 11, 2021 21:22:02 GMT
It’s difficult for me to judge the Moffat quote without the full context, but I suspect he meant more that some specific women he had asked weren’t interested in writing for the show. He did bring in several women to write for the show, after all, though not as many as perhaps he should have. There should definitely be more women writing for Doctor Who. I’d like to see Amy Veeres get a shot at writing for Eccleston himself, since she nailed his voice in Her Own Bootstraps.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 1:52:25 GMT
As someone who sees nearly two-dozen women writing fiction on a weekly basis -- consistently, through COVID and everything else, as part of a writers group -- the fact that there's such a disparity is commonly bewildering to me. Not just in Doctor Who, although it does bear prominence because we had Verity Lambert at the very beginning. We had Jacqueline Hill, too, playing a role that was given essentially equal importance with William Russell's Ian (one for each format -- history and science). It's not as if the show wasn't built to have a space for that perspective. Part of the problem does feel like outside preconceptions with science fiction as a genre. Really quite naff stuff that people hear about ("I've heard such-and-such..."), but don't actually know first-hand. Grapevine gossip. Sci-fi has a history of being perceived to seek legitimacy among other genres ( *clears throat* elitist bafflegab). It contributes to strange doublethink like where someone feels comfortable writing something in the genre, but calls it "fantasy" instead, as a buffer. The impression I've got from the age of post-Marvel films is that it's gotten a lot more difficult to look upon sci-fi and speculative fiction as niche. Not when you have one of the highest-grossing films in Hollywood history now being a science fiction film like Endgame. It's so prevalent in pop culture escapism these days, it's difficult to miss. Rounding back to the subject, all I can say is, it's worth making the space for these creative voices to be explored. In fact... *kicks open door* If there are any female writers looking for avenues to explore their craft, Divergent Wordsmiths is open to everyone. We are interested in your stories and what you have to tell. (Side note: Eccleston's observation about "the Doctor's admiration for Gaia", specifically, is a really interesting concept. Nigel Fairs's More than a Messiah, back in the 1980s -- or 90s, depending on the version -- dealt with the Doctor being romanced by a planet. Unsuccessfully, unfortunately, as both misconstrue one another. As Time Lord or world. Nevertheless, the Doctor is one of the very few characters in fiction I can see carrying that off successfully. A budding attachment with the embodiment of a living world. They'd be one of the few who understand that perspective. The Ninth Doctor perhaps most blatantly in his "I can feel it," soliloquy in Rose.)
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Post by theillusiveman on May 21, 2021 7:04:31 GMT
Honestly after reading several of Chris Eccleston’s “takes” I think he should honestly watch more of the classic show rather than Make assumptions
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 21, 2021 10:11:57 GMT
Honestly after reading several of Chris Eccleston’s “takes” I think he should honestly watch more of the classic show rather than Make assumptions I'm not sure what the classic series did is relevant to talking about what Who should (in his view) do moving forward. Unless you think 'X already happened in 1979, so therefore, we don't need it now', which is nonsensical.
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