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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 8, 2023 15:55:15 GMT
So is it worth getting The Ark?
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Post by mark687 on Jun 8, 2023 16:07:08 GMT
So is it worth getting The Ark? On balance I would say yes to reiterate a more interesting threat and better use of the companions then the TV EP . Regards mark687
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jun 8, 2023 16:10:09 GMT
So is it worth getting The Ark? On balance I would say yes to reiterate a more interesting threat and better use of the companions then the TV EP . Regards mark687 Guess Daleks! Genesis of Terror is the only Lost story release i wont be getting then
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Post by mark687 on Jun 9, 2023 10:32:36 GMT
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Post by thegreendeath on Jun 9, 2023 12:51:15 GMT
After reading the comments here and elsewhere decided to pick this up. I loved “Return of the Cybermen” so suspect I’m going to enjoy this one as well. I did opt out of the bundle with “Daleks: Genesis of Terror” option though.
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Post by Star Platinum on Jun 10, 2023 5:57:42 GMT
I listened to the Ark while doing some driving today.
I had a great time with this story. Between this and Return of the Cybermen it’s been interesting seeing the fourth Doctor prototype. Lots of strong material for Harry and Sarah.
It’s not quite in the same level as Lucarotti’s historicals, but that’s comparing apples to oranges, only when the apples are the cream of the crop. The Ark in space’s crew had better characterization than those on The Ark, but I feel Harry and Sarah fared better in this draft.
Different enough to be entertaining, the most different of all the season 12 lost stories
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Post by eightelements on Jun 10, 2023 9:03:43 GMT
How does Tom sound here compared to Genesis of Terror?
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Post by mark687 on Jun 10, 2023 11:05:57 GMT
How does Tom sound here compared to Genesis of Terror? Better though again I stress he's deliberately not doing the 4th Doctor rather a sort of combo of 1st and 3rd' Regards mark687
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Post by timleschild on Jun 10, 2023 14:57:22 GMT
How does Tom sound here compared to Genesis of Terror? Better though again I stress he's deliberately not doing the 4th Doctor rather a sort of combo of 1st and 3rd' Regards mark687 Why?
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Post by Star Platinum on Jun 10, 2023 15:54:21 GMT
Better though again I stress he's deliberately not doing the 4th Doctor rather a sort of combo of 1st and 3rd' Regards mark687 Why? This was scripted inder the assumption of a Hartnell style doctor would be cast, Baker’s characterization hadn’t been firmly nailed down yet.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Jun 11, 2023 6:06:53 GMT
Fresh up on CultBox - my take on 'Doctor Who and the Ark' - in short, unusual and different enough from the televised story to make the adaptation worthwhile.
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 12, 2023 17:16:16 GMT
Halfway through. Interesting take. Sadly the science and medical facts are so badly researched, it caused me physical pain. There is suspension of disbelief, and there is utter laziness. In times of Google, there is no excuse at least for me. Example- just google the bends. Google it. And it will become clear.
Plus, is it just me or does some of the dialogue sound kind of wooden? In some scenes, it was blatantly obvious that Tom was not reacting to the other actors because he had recorded by himself? It took me out of it a couple of times.
However, I agree with the others that the companions are very well used and they are well performed, too.
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Post by dorney on Jun 13, 2023 13:24:06 GMT
Sadly the science and medical facts are so badly researched, it caused me physical pain. There is suspension of disbelief, and there is utter laziness. In times of Google, there is no excuse at least for me. Example- just google the bends. Google it. And it will become clear. I imagine this is an artefact from the original draft. Mileage may vary but when I worked on Return of the Cybermen and the Avengers sets I felt it was important that I largely presented the script from the time.
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 13, 2023 16:37:22 GMT
Sadly the science and medical facts are so badly researched, it caused me physical pain. There is suspension of disbelief, and there is utter laziness. In times of Google, there is no excuse at least for me. Example- just google the bends. Google it. And it will become clear. I imagine this is an artefact from the original draft. Mileage may vary but when I worked on Return of the Cybermen and the Avengers sets I felt it was important that I largely presented the script from the time. Sorry if I came across too critical. I am a veterinarian, and was teaching at university, so listening to some "stupid student myths" in my entertainment always irks me. Especially when I am not in the best of moods.
So if this is an artefact from the original draft would explain it- usually, BF has become much better with science stuff.
I can see the draw of presenting the original script as is, versus a reworked "modern" version (which would defy the mission of "lost stories" a bit). So yes, I can see the point of why this was done.
Still, for sciency people sometimes Sci-Fi in general can be painful. No matter if it is Star Trek, Who, or some others.
But of course this does not mean that other people can't enjoy it and or that I did not like any of it.
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Post by jonnymorris on Jun 13, 2023 16:56:25 GMT
Sadly the science and medical facts are so badly researched, it caused me physical pain. There is suspension of disbelief, and there is utter laziness. In times of Google, there is no excuse at least for me. Example- just google the bends. Google it. And it will become clear. I imagine this is an artefact from the original draft. Mileage may vary but when I worked on Return of the Cybermen and the Avengers sets I felt it was important that I largely presented the script from the time. John is correct, though the reference to bends was my addition (Harry trying to reconcile what he thinks are symptoms of confusion or vertigo related to atmospheric changes). By way of a compensation, in a forthcoming audio I have written a page-long discussion about the inaccurate depiction of asteroid belts in science fiction. You are not alone! Jonny
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 13, 2023 17:38:04 GMT
I imagine this is an artefact from the original draft. Mileage may vary but when I worked on Return of the Cybermen and the Avengers sets I felt it was important that I largely presented the script from the time. John is correct, though the reference to bends was my addition (Harry trying to reconcile what he thinks are symptoms of confusion or vertigo related to atmospheric changes). By way of a compensation, in a forthcoming audio I have written a page-long discussion about the inaccurate depiction of asteroid belts in science fiction. You are not alone! Jonny
Well, we all have our pet peeves.
Sorry again if I came across too critical!
I do get the intention of presenting an original script. I did not want to criticise any of you.
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Post by dorney on Jun 14, 2023 9:46:55 GMT
John is correct, though the reference to bends was my addition (Harry trying to reconcile what he thinks are symptoms of confusion or vertigo related to atmospheric changes). By way of a compensation, in a forthcoming audio I have written a page-long discussion about the inaccurate depiction of asteroid belts in science fiction. You are not alone! Jonny
Well, we all have our pet peeves.
Sorry again if I came across too critical!
I do get the intention of presenting an original script. I did not want to criticise any of you.
Oh, by all means criticise as much as you like, don’t want to give the impression that that can’t be done!
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Post by maxwell on Jun 15, 2023 22:38:45 GMT
I enjoyed both of these releases. Daleks! Genesis of Terror! was an interesting curio, and the Phillip Hinchcliffe interview was fantastic. The Ark was great, having seen mention about the abandoned Lucarotti script many times in the past, it was fascinating to hear it. Very enjoyable.
Can we have Doctor Who Meets Scratchman and Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen next? I know they have had BBC novelizations but I want to hear a full cast audio!
Any other Lost Stories on the horizon?
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Post by thegreendeath on Jun 20, 2023 4:11:37 GMT
I was not feeling the Ark fully (it felt a little “first draft” at points and Tom’s performance in episode one really needed to be reeled in), but as it went on I enjoyed it more and more and I ended up quite loving it by the end. There’s something so wonderfully surreal about the number of times puffballs are mentioned (plus buttercups and a giant amoeba enemy). Such wild and fertile ideas and execution - in some ways those ideas were never going to get past an early draft by this stage of the show but they’re also what make this one as cool as it is. I’d definitely be down for more early draft Lost Stories, as long as they’re considerably different.
All that said, Tom’s doing a different take on the Doctor really didn’t last past episode one, which seems to me something that the director should have either pulled back from or kept going rather than just kind of let happen and then allow to be dropped.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jul 30, 2023 21:23:01 GMT
Well, listened to The Ark, but it was one of the listens that was constantly interrupted - I'm sure most seasoned audio listeners will have had this experience at some point - with the result that I found it difficult to follow the plot. I have a general impression that it was good, but I wasn't really able to enjoy it. I like to leave at least 12 months between my first & second listens, so will re-listen in about a year's time and I hope to enjoy it a lot more.
Genesis of Terror was a good enough listen but was not really different enough from the original to justify its existence. BF made much of how great Terry Nation's stage directions were, and they were ok to listen to. Maybe their excellence was lost on me since I don't read scripts as a rule and do not have anything to compare them to, but I don't think there is enough in this to justify it as a standalone release. Not often BF make a really bad call creatively, but I think they did this time.
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