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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 10:32:00 GMT
I don't dislike this story, but I did find the plot confusing on first viewing. The Target novel helped a bit however.
It's currently one of my favourites, but that might change when I come to revisit it.
It's definitely better than what followed it.
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Post by thewatcher on Mar 4, 2022 10:56:09 GMT
We all like different things so nothing really is can be overrated but this is brilliant story.
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Post by grinch on Mar 4, 2022 11:55:54 GMT
Not at all. I think it’s well deserving of its legendary reputation. Only thing which lets it down I think is the look of the Magma Beast but even then it’s only a small part of an otherwise superb story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 12:18:13 GMT
NO!
The Caves of Androzani is one of the best Doctor Who stories ever! It fully deserves its reputation.
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Post by bonehead on Mar 4, 2022 12:28:11 GMT
When I first saw it, I was also confused by the first episode. The story is very much a slow build-up of action and characters - many faces and voices are thrown at us, and we have to take the time to understand who they are. By the second episode, and the 'cliffhanger reveal', I began to get more intrigued by these manipulative people and it became clear The Doctor and Peri were in real danger. The characters began to gain momentum, in the way that only their slow build-up could have achieved. Halfway through, I was on board and thoroughly invested. When I watched it again, I enjoyed the opener a lot more knowing what was to come.
I think the second half is more entertaining than the first, but wouldn't be so if those initial episodes hadn't done the ground work.
It's a masterful story, wonderfully told. Morgus's asides to the camera, as if he's addressing the audience, is one of many great touches. The Doctor is an out and out hero, rather as he was in Warriors of the Deep earlier on, but this story does his heroism justice. Beautifully played, it's The Doctor sacrificing his life for his friend, amid a wash of deeply unpleasant and selfishly motivated others. In the end, it's just him, Peri and the TARDIS.
Usually if something is universally praised, I tend to be a bit more critical of it. Even with that taken into account, this is a fantastic tale and thoroughly deserves its reputation.
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Post by ollychops on Mar 4, 2022 12:53:06 GMT
In my opinion, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2022 14:31:12 GMT
Well, in the last major DWM poll it was 4th out of 241. So...if you think there are more than 3 better, yes. If you think 2 or fewer are better...its underrated  I think almost by default the titans of any polls, the perennial Top 10s become overrated and it just becomes accepted that they must be excellent because lists always say so. I call it the Led Zep effect. Personally I think it is towards the very top. Davison is wonderful, the script fantastic. Vilains are ALL memorable. The stakes massive. Its fantastic. |
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Post by constonks on Mar 4, 2022 22:42:30 GMT
It's not my favourite but I wouldn't call it overrated - it's very well made and deserves the praise it gets.
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Mar 5, 2022 0:06:55 GMT
I never got the love for it when it first aired or in the years immediately following it. However, I love it now because it is a fantastic story with a magnificent villain and a brilliant cast of characters. Also, has anyone else noted that Saward really tried hard to recapture what worked here with Revelation of the Daleks? It feels quite similar in a lot of ways with the same level of side-plotting going on.
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Post by mistfall on Mar 5, 2022 14:20:40 GMT
Always loved this story.Even 14 year old me back in the day realised this was something special.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Mar 5, 2022 17:47:57 GMT
Great cliffhangers. Not sure I know what else happens in it.
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Post by Timelord007 on Apr 27, 2022 8:12:11 GMT
One of my all time favourite story's, tense, terrifying, atmospheric & a fantastic swansong for the Fifth Doctor.
No way is this underrated, this is Doctor Who at it's best.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 8:12:24 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, when I first saw The Caves of Androzani, I wanted to like it as much as most people do. But it’s because I found the plot confusing that I can’t.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 9, 2022 8:30:48 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, when I first saw The Caves of Androzani, I wanted to like it as much as most people do. But it’s because I found the plot confusing that I can’t. Well, what did you find confusing? Maybe someone here could help you out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 8:34:25 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, when I first saw The Caves of Androzani, I wanted to like it as much as most people do. But it’s because I found the plot confusing that I can’t. Well, what did you find confusing? Maybe someone here could help you out. I was confused by what was going on with the premise, as well as whose side Morgus was on. |
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 9, 2022 14:10:35 GMT
Also, has anyone else noted that Saward really tried hard to recapture what worked here with Revelation of the Daleks? It feels quite similar in a lot of ways with the same level of side-plotting going on. There was an article by Paul Cornell in the 80s/90s fanzine DWB that argued just that, but IIRC it went further and said the whole of season 22 was influenced by Caves. Article was entitled The Androzani Effect. |
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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 10, 2022 0:58:33 GMT
Also, has anyone else noted that Saward really tried hard to recapture what worked here with Revelation of the Daleks? It feels quite similar in a lot of ways with the same level of side-plotting going on. There was an article by Paul Cornell in the 80s/90s fanzine DWB that argued just that, but IIRC it went further and said the whole of season 22 was influenced by Caves. Article was entitled The Androzani Effect. Cool. There’s a whole mess of fandom that I missed out on due to being a teenager on a backward island halfway around the world during the 80s. Thanks for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 14:47:46 GMT
I recently saw The Caves of Androzani again, and it’s not terrible, but I don’t think it lives up to it’s reputation. My full thoughts will be revealed in my review of the story which I will soon post on here.
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Post by mbt66 on Jul 8, 2022 20:58:47 GMT
I stopped watching Doctor Who when Tom Baker departed. I remember watching the Five Doctors and enjoying that, but the rest of the Classic era of Doctor Who mostly passed me by.
Several years back I bought the first Revisitations box set. It contained three stories: the Talons of Weng Chiang (the main reason I was buying it); the Paul McGann TV movie, which I had seen at time of release and enjoyed; plus The Caves of Androzani, which was a story I hadn’t seen, but had heard great things about.
Sorry, but yes for me it was overrated. Unlike those other stories in the box set I have only watched it the once and really don’t have any desire to see it again.
However it is clearly loved by a lot of people and my opinion in only valid to me.
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