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Post by shallacatop on May 12, 2022 13:01:29 GMT
I suppose you can do whatever mental gymnastics you want to reach whatever conclusion you want. It’s what they’ve done for that news article.
The point is the set was panned on here. DWM were indifferent. Many of the usual reviewers that like their freebies were the same. Twitter seemed notably less active about the release than usual, implying it wasn’t as well thought of as a typical release. I saw comments on Facebook that were more mixed than usual too.
I’m not saying that Genesis didn’t have its fans. A couple of people on here loved it and that’s great. I’ve seen positive reviews and tweets and that’s great. However it was a release that seemed to garner more criticism than usual and Big Finish have put out a news article promoting the sequel that states Genesis had a “massively positive response” and a quote from its lead going to pains to say what we should think of the new one, very coincidentally based on criticism people had at Genesis.
They’d never normally go to such lengths to reference the response of the previous set. This one they have because they’re undoubtedly aware that the response was more mixed. They’re over compensating and it’s been spotted. That’s the top and bottom of it.
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Post by dorney on May 12, 2022 13:07:34 GMT
I suppose you can do whatever mental gymnastics you want to reach whatever conclusion you want. Apparently so. That last paragraph in particular is absurd.
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Post by Alastair on May 12, 2022 13:50:16 GMT
Not that I really want to split this hair any further, but David may well have been referring to (or even unconsciously factoring in) the pre-release excitement, which was indeed large and positive; at times wildly so. Standard press release hyperbole aside, I can’t see any reason to believe it was said in bad faith, nor to assume the worst about someone who seems like a pretty top bloke.
Speaking of over-eager course corrections, does anyone else have the sneaking suspicion this is a temporary cover concealing a reveal, a la The Annihilators and Old Friends? I felt it in both cases when the initial cover was a little less crowded and a little differently balanced than usual, and I’m feeling it again here in a silly overreaching-fan-speculation kind of way. (Nothing against a little healthy space in cover art, mind you.)
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Post by theillusiveman on May 12, 2022 14:05:33 GMT
I Think with absolute certainty that we will be getting another Two Boxsets featuring Colin's "Doctor of War" I fear there will be 3, entitled Resurrection, Revelation and Remembrance respectively Makes Sense in a way
Genesis- Was The Creation of The Warrior and The Timeline of The Skaro Alliance Destiny- The Destiny of The Universe with The Key to Time as the object between The
Resurrection- Perhaps A Resurrection of Time Lord Figure like Omega or Rassilon/ a Former Doctor/Master, etc
Revelation- A Reveal Twist of the entire war Remembrance- Death/End of The War Doctor
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Post by Kestrel on May 13, 2022 12:03:33 GMT
There’s a real issue on this forum where people don’t read others posts…. You're reading far too much from far too little. And I assure you, I read your posts. Somehow this did not prevent me from disagreeing with you. Weird, huh?
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Post by mark687 on Jul 29, 2022 14:04:44 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 29, 2022 18:11:52 GMT
Interesting that Sarah and Harry are involved to some degree.
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Post by grinch on Jul 29, 2022 19:23:35 GMT
Interesting that Sarah and Harry are involved to some degree. I put money on the pair making an appearance when the Doctor of War inevitably goes back in time and makes the decision to not wipe out the Daleks.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 30, 2022 20:40:21 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Aug 1, 2022 8:51:37 GMT
Hilariously the Vortex preview of this has a quote from Nigel Fairs which underlines my entire problem with this range: ‘Nigel admits he initially found the Unbound concept a tough one to work with. He explains: “I really didn’t understand it. And the more I asked, the more complicated and unintelligible it seemed to get!”’
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Post by mark687 on Aug 1, 2022 9:18:01 GMT
Hilariously the Vortex preview of this has a quote from Nigel Fairs which underlines my entire problem with this range: ‘Nigel admits he initially found the Unbound concept a tough one to work with. He explains: “I really didn’t understand it. And the more I asked, the more complicated and unintelligible it seemed to get!”’ Yes the project seems to a rare PR miss-fire on the basis concept and content. Its not far out enough for most people who like the Unbound concept, but its far out enough to make contributors wonder if their selling the story convincingly. Regards mark687
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 1, 2022 11:58:36 GMT
Hilariously the Vortex preview of this has a quote from Nigel Fairs which underlines my entire problem with this range: ‘Nigel admits he initially found the Unbound concept a tough one to work with. He explains: “I really didn’t understand it. And the more I asked, the more complicated and unintelligible it seemed to get!”’ It’s not just Nigel Fairs, it’s the takeaway message from the article! They seem to be selling it on the fact it’s intentionally nonsensical. It doesn’t do anything risky and is quite content to just do the opposite of established Who stories or throw the kitchen sink in and see what sticks. And then what we do get is just an utter mess with the justification that it’s not really meant to make sense. Really don’t understand how that’s meant to be appealing, to be honest. Feels like the crew are having a laugh but that doesn’t translate into a good product.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 1, 2022 12:19:12 GMT
Compete joke. A mess. No no no
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Post by sherlock on Aug 1, 2022 12:52:48 GMT
Hilariously the Vortex preview of this has a quote from Nigel Fairs which underlines my entire problem with this range: ‘Nigel admits he initially found the Unbound concept a tough one to work with. He explains: “I really didn’t understand it. And the more I asked, the more complicated and unintelligible it seemed to get!”’ Yes the project seems to a rare PR miss-fire on the basis concept and content. Its not far out enough for most people who like the Unbound concept, but its far out enough to make contributors wonder if their selling the story convincingly. Regards mark687 Well at the end of the day, what actually is the story of Doctor of War? It’s just a series of disconnected “and then-”. The Doctor regenerates into a Warrior, and then -insert whatever the plot of Aftershocks actually is here-, and then he’s President of Gallifrey and then he’s travelling with Davros in this set apparently. There’s no journey for this character, cos he’s just jumping around from new status quo to new status quo at random. It’s not a coherent story as it’s missing the why that happens in-between. Why did the Warrior become President of Gallifrey? Was he compelled, felt obligated or genuinely wanted to lead his people? I dunno. I do think it compares poorly to Unbound Universe/Ruler of the Universe, as that saga anchored itself to one status quo (what if the Doctor was ruler of a dying universe) and actually took the time to explore the ramifications of that one status quo on the universe and the Doctor.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 1, 2022 13:18:53 GMT
Yes the project seems to a rare PR miss-fire on the basis concept and content. Its not far out enough for most people who like the Unbound concept, but its far out enough to make contributors wonder if their selling the story convincingly. Regards mark687 Well at the end of the day, what actually is the story of Doctor of War? It’s just a series of disconnected “and then-”. The Doctor regenerates into a Warrior, and then -insert whatever the plot of Aftershocks actually is here-, and then he’s President of Gallifrey and then he’s travelling with Davros in this set apparently. There’s no journey for this character, cos he’s just jumping around from new status quo to new status quo at random. It’s not a coherent story as it’s missing the why that happens in-between. Why did the Warrior become President of Gallifrey? Was he compelled, felt obligated or genuinely wanted to lead his people? I dunno. I do think it compares poorly to Unbound Universe/Ruler of the Universe, as that saga anchored itself to one status quo (what if the Doctor was ruler of a dying universe) and actually took the time to explore the ramifications of that one status quo on the universe and the Doctor. Yeah Exactly we saw no character progression or even a resemblance of a character arc for The Warrior nor the other Characters, i know there are some people that say its The Time War and everything is all wibbly wobbly timey wimey but that is just a really poor excuse i mean look at The War Master and that range is consistently good. i really do wonder if its either due to Big Finish were/are working on so many projects that the preparation/planning time was so strict that they had to rush the scripts with little to no plan or was it just a cash grab attempt at Resurrecting an old range putting in minimal effort and having Nostalgia elements as a selling point?
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Post by grinch on Aug 2, 2022 11:53:39 GMT
Yes the project seems to a rare PR miss-fire on the basis concept and content. Its not far out enough for most people who like the Unbound concept, but its far out enough to make contributors wonder if their selling the story convincingly. Regards mark687 Well at the end of the day, what actually is the story of Doctor of War? It’s just a series of disconnected “and then-”. The Doctor regenerates into a Warrior, and then -insert whatever the plot of Aftershocks actually is here-, and then he’s President of Gallifrey and then he’s travelling with Davros in this set apparently. There’s no journey for this character, cos he’s just jumping around from new status quo to new status quo at random. It’s not a coherent story as it’s missing the why that happens in-between. Why did the Warrior become President of Gallifrey? Was he compelled, felt obligated or genuinely wanted to lead his people? I dunno. I do think it compares poorly to Unbound Universe/Ruler of the Universe, as that saga anchored itself to one status quo (what if the Doctor was ruler of a dying universe) and actually took the time to explore the ramifications of that one status quo on the universe and the Doctor. I think the problem is as well there’s nothing to say this couldn’t be a Time War release set in the main universe. It doesn’t really come across as an Unbound release where only in an alternate universe could such a story occur.
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Post by martinw8686 on Aug 5, 2022 19:19:33 GMT
I quite enjoyed box set 1, I can see why it wasn't everyone's cup of tea, I'm hopeful box set 2 will be fun and strange like the 1st and all the threads teased will come together.
Sometimes with box set series it takes a few stories for the narrative to come together, I didn't enjoy Doom Coalition 2 but Doom Coalition 3 and 4 were brilliant, likewise Ravenous 1 but Ravenous 2, 3 and 4 were some of my favourites ever stories.
I probably haven't won any of Doctor of War's detractors over but I'm eagerly awaiting Destiny.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 8, 2022 16:14:39 GMT
Doctor of War Vol 2 trailer
Lol the master offering Leela acid
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Sept 27, 2022 8:31:53 GMT
Out now !
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Post by mark687 on Sept 27, 2022 8:47:11 GMT
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