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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 9, 2016 2:20:32 GMT
This has to be one of the sickest Doctor Who novels I've ever read, I'm surprised this novel got published such is the graphic vile content.
Malcom Hulke & Robert Holmes would turn in there grave if they'd read this Third Doctor story.
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Post by redsharkJason on Jan 9, 2016 2:35:39 GMT
As well as Mick Lewis's Combat Rock novel. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 2:48:23 GMT
It's one that never fit in to its brief at all. When I think of Pertwee, really graphic bodily mutilation isn't the first thing that comes to mind! There was also language that seemed more suitable for the VNAs at their most "We can use swear words, yay!" juvenile worst and if I remember right Jo does something rather out of character for her to say the least.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 9, 2016 6:49:44 GMT
The Brig calls all Gypsys scum & calls for them to be wiped out immediately, Benton opens fire on gypsy children which i thought was horrific & in very bad taste & the band vomit over there prey & those infected ask for more vomit as they smear themselves in sick & snog with slugs in there mouths, (urgh).
There was strong language throughout including Jo using the F'word, a very graphic sex scene & sexual contact, Mike Yates was written as a womanizer & the Doctor loathes tea & also uses the word scum.
What was the BBC novel range thinking?, Mary Whitehouse would've died again if she'd read this novel, can you imagine if this was released now the s..t storm it would cause.
This is a very disturbing novel nasty thats tone is Doctor Who doing Troma.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 9, 2016 6:56:13 GMT
As well as Mick Lewis's Combat Rock novel. Arh yes the Second Doctor, Jamie & Victoria arrive on the jungle planet then battle cannibals? I'm surprised the BBC commissioned Mick Lewis to write another story, he makes Clive Barkers work seem like J.K Rowling. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 7:08:19 GMT
The Brig calls all Gypsys scum & calls for them to be wiped out immediately, Benton opens fire on gypsy children which i thought was horrific & in very bad taste & the Rags vomit over there prey & those infected ask for more vomit as they smear themselves in sick, (urgh). There was strong language throughout including Jo using the F'word, a very graphic sex scene & sexual contact, Mike Yates was written as a womanizer & the Doctor loathes tea. What was the BBC novel range thinking?, Mary Whitehouse would've died again if she'd read this novel, can you imagine if this was released now the s..t storm it would cause. Yikes, bloody hell, Time Lord - you've brought it all back! It's been TWELVE years, Time Lord  |
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Post by omega on Jan 9, 2016 7:09:34 GMT
At least the team at Virgin would shift the extreme behavior into an all new one-off guest cast.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 8:39:39 GMT
It's one that never fit in to its brief at all. When I think of Pertwee, really graphic bodily mutilation isn't the first thing that comes to mind! There was also language that seemed more suitable for the VNAs at their most "We can use swear words, yay!" juvenile worst and if I remember right Jo does something rather out of character for her to say the least. I only got half way through and stopped reading. It was seriously off-putting. |
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 9, 2016 9:02:19 GMT
A friend of mine recently reviewed this & reminded me just how atrocious & sick this story was, shame on you Mick Lewis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 11:30:43 GMT
At least the team at Virgin would shift the extreme behavior into an all new one-off guest cast. Oh, even then I don't remember the Virgin books being anything like Rags. The grotesqueries in the NAs and MAs at least served a point, Mick Lewis's novels are vile for the sake of being vile and this is coming from someone who adores Falls the Shadow, one of the most graphically violent, nihilistic and bloody books in Who canon. |
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 9, 2016 12:15:47 GMT
I'd never actually heard of Rags and Combat Rocks til this thread. Damn, makes me want to read them for some reason, its like car crash books by the sounds of it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 13:55:28 GMT
It's International Rescue fights mad scientist's killer robotic penguins or the Guild Navigator from David Lynch's Dune. It has to be read/seen to be believed. Which is a pity really because the basic story -- a punk rock band inspires violence as they tour across the country in order to resurrect an evil from the dawn of time -- is a pretty good place to start for a Third Doctor tale. The most memorable bit from the entire novel is the Doctor moving amongst the black tarn in the truck, filled with dismembered body parts and saturated in blood where he meets the Ragman and has his mind twisted into believing his life beyond Earth was a fantasy. It's the bit in the novel where I thought it'd really gone too far and stopped being Doctor Who.
It needed a damn good editor. You want a story that does this well without jeopardising the recurring cast's characters, I point to the short story Nothing at the End of the Lane starring Barbara in a reality where she's suffering a nervous breakdown about her disturbing delusions detailing horrors from the edge of destruction, beyond the scope of human imagining.
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Post by Timelord007 on Jan 9, 2016 22:40:15 GMT
Basically Rags is a Clive Barker version of Doctor Who, I'm still surprised BBC books passed this novel, this is a very graphic book featuring violence & gruesome images that's not counting the swearing & sexual activity.
Mary Whitehouse would have s..t her knickers if she'd have read this.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2016 22:45:50 GMT
Basically it's a type of Clive Barker version of Doctor Who, I'm still surprised BBC books passed this novel. strangely IMO, if it was a 5th-8th Doc book it would work better (though not perfect by any means)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 1:57:55 GMT
Basically it's a type of Clive Barker version of Doctor Who, I'm still surprised BBC books passed this novel. strangely IMO, if it was a 5th-8th Doc book it would work better (though not perfect by any means)
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I suppose it's a testament to how well some tenures have been developed both on and off television that we expect certain things from each Doctor: Catastrophea is archetypal Three, while The Also People is archetypal Seven. Falls feels like Clive Barker ( Hellraiser, specifically with Gabriel and Tanith as the Sapphire and Steel from hell), Rags feels more like something made by John Carpenter. |
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Post by ryan on Jan 11, 2016 22:11:39 GMT
The Ragman was a great nemesis to the Doctor. He really broke him down.
Everyone - including the Brig - turning against each other should have been terrifying. And it would have been had the story not played out like a poor anime. Very disappointing!
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jan 12, 2016 3:55:58 GMT
Wait... Is all that really true? Because I like my Doctor Who dark, but that's... that's not just crossing a line. That's crossing every line. And then making new lines and crossing those. How was this published?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2016 4:13:56 GMT
Wait... Is all that really true? Because I like my Doctor Who dark, but that's... that's not just crossing a line. That's crossing every line. And then making new lines and crossing those. How was this published? I imagine someone thought it was intresting challenging Alan Moore-ish commentary on The Third Doctor era. Which it really wasn't. The novel The Indestrucitable Man is similar (although at least it's fond of the era and it's characters) in which The Second Doctor, Jamie and Victoria are put through a dark journey because of well.....darkness. |
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Post by omega on Jan 12, 2016 4:21:54 GMT
I imagine someone thought it was intresting challenging Alan Moore-ish commentary on The Third Doctor era. Which it really wasn't. The novel The Indestrucitable Man is similar (although at least it's fond of the era and it's characters) in which The Second Doctor, Jamie and Victoria are put through a dark journey because of well.....darkness. Also, Simon Messingham must have watched a lot of Thunderbirds before writing the book because there are lot's of Gerry Anderson references. |
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Post by iank on Apr 6, 2016 0:58:39 GMT
One of the greatest books in the range. Absolute horror classic, and superbly written.
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