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Post by commonman on Nov 22, 2022 19:15:46 GMT
Hi,
I noticed we did not have a thread for rumours about lost episodes that we keep hearing about every year (at least I did not find any, feel free to delete/merge this one)
Obviously, don't get your hopes up but apparently an australian collectionner with tapes dating from the 70's died recently and their family brought in an expert to study what's on there (I wish for them that it goes as smoothly as possible, thats obviously not their biggest worry at the moment).
This made me think, and I know this a distateful way to look at things, but do you think if a lost episode ever becomes public again it will have to be from a similar case? At this point, it seems the more likely to me to be honest.
source of the event (EDIT no DRM source)
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Post by mark687 on Nov 22, 2022 19:37:37 GMT
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Post by sidestep on Nov 22, 2022 20:13:21 GMT
Hi,
I noticed we did not have a thread for rumours about lost episodes that we keep hearing about every year (at least I did not find any, feel free to delete/merge this one)
Obviously, don't get your hopes up but apparently an australian collectionner with tapes dating from the 70's died recently and their family brought in an expert to study what's on there (I wish for them that it goes as smoothly as possible, thats obviously not their biggest worry at the moment).
This made me think, and I know this a distateful way to look at things, but do you think if a lost episode ever becomes public again it will have to be from a similar case? At this point, it seems the more likely to me to be honest.
source of the event (EDIT no DRM source)
The Daleks’ Masterplan & Marco Polo please. 😮 |
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Post by commonman on Nov 22, 2022 20:35:51 GMT
The Daleks’ Masterplan & Marco Polo please. 😮 Sorry to rain on your paradebut those two would be quite unlikely Masterplan was never broadcasted, so no collectors could have taped it Marco Polo was apparently broadcasted in 1965, and I believed the found tapes do not go that early. I am basing myself on his website for the broadcasts date in Australia broadwcast.org/index.php/Australia_TX_1967-1971What would be more likely based on it is stuff like: original coloured version of Mind of Evil or Invasion of the Dinosaurs EDIT assuming Australia was broadcasting in colour,which I have no clue about Space Pirates or the Invasion |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 20:52:13 GMT
The Daleks’ Masterplan & Marco Polo please. 😮 Sorry to rain on your paradebut those two would be quite unlikely Masterplan was never broadcasted, so no collectors could have taped it Marco Polo was apparently broadcasted in 1965, and I believed the found tapes do not go that early. I am basing myself on his website for the broadcasts date in Australia broadwcast.org/index.php/Australia_TX_1967-1971What would be more likely based on it is stuff like: original coloured version of Mind of Evil or Invasion of the Dinosaurs EDIT assuming Australia was broadcasting in colour,which I have no clue about Space Pirates or the Invasion Did Australia really never air the Daleks MasterPlan? |
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Post by commonman on Nov 22, 2022 20:59:59 GMT
Yeah, sadly Masterplan was never broadcasted outside of the UK.
It was sold to Australian (it's the only country it was sold to actually) but the decision-makers eventually did not use them (and Feast of Steven was famously not even included in that, which is why its the least likely single episode to ever turn up).
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Nov 22, 2022 21:56:16 GMT
"1 March 1975 One of the biggest changes in Australian television history took place in 1972, when it was announced that all stations would move to colour on 1 March 1975, using the European PAL standard mandated in 1968." so 6 months before I was born.  |
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Post by commonman on Nov 23, 2022 10:07:39 GMT
So I listened to the podcast and I have taken some notes about we can expect from this story (I have no insiders info btw)
WHAT WAS THERE?
THe collector, located in Melbourne, had an extensive collection of tapes, including reel-to-reel video tapes from the 60s, U-matic tapes (commercially available in septembre 1971) and later formats.
About 10 000 tapes were recovered, including a dozen of U-matic ones.
WHAT MIGHT BE FOUND ON IT?
Among the U-matic tapes, the only lost stories that were broadcast in Melbourne after the release of this format are: The Invasion and the Space Pirates. None of the colour Pertwee stuff the Restoration Team would be interested in were broadcasted.
Among Reel-to-reel video tapes, from what I understand, any story broadcasted in Melbourne might be there. (so Mission to the Unknown and Masterplan can't turn up)
WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP?
All audio visual tapes were acquired by the Canberra university who will study by setting up an archiving course. It will apparently take about a decade to check it all. They will digitise media that was considered lost and notify people about it.
I did not really understood if digitised media found in the collection was also acquired by the uni.
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Post by lidar2 on Nov 23, 2022 10:20:19 GMT
I tend to be a sceptic on further missing episodes turning up for 2 main reasons:
1. The more time passes, the more any surviving episodes are likely to deteriorate if not looked after properly. The idea of a something forgotten about in someone's garden shed being a viable missing episode is less and less likely. Wouldn't apply to something properly looked after in the hands of a private collector as in the Melbourne case above, but it does reduce the overall likelihood of missing episodes. Web of Fear 3 is known to exist in the hands of a private collector, but that is the only definite.
2. Basic maths and probability. There were I think 253 b/w episodes of DW (ignoring unused pilots, original version of Dead Planet, etc). If 97 are missing and 156 are in the archives, that means any new b/w episode found has a 97/253 (38%) chance of being a missing episode and a 156/253 (62%) chance of being one already held. If any more missing episodes are ever found, then the odds move slightly more against further episodes being found.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on May 31, 2023 22:06:57 GMT
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Jun 9, 2023 19:16:11 GMT
I read that Philip Morris claimed at a convention (Utopia) that he had found 6 more episodes (4 with private collectors in the UK, 2 overseas)
whether they actually exist and if so what they are and whether he can get hold of them remains to be seen
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 10, 2023 14:49:39 GMT
I read that Philip Morris claimed at a convention (Utopia) that he had found 6 more episodes (4 with private collectors in the UK, 2 overseas) whether they actually exist and if so what they are and whether he can get hold of them remains to be seen Timing it for a 60th Anniversary unveiling? Since it was at the 50th that Web and Enemy were announced. |
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Post by melkur on Jun 10, 2023 21:19:57 GMT
My father sent me an article about it this afternoon... File me under "believe it when I see it", because Phillip Morris does sometimes talk a lot of... Poop.
The Enemy/Web unveiling was late October 2013, IIRC? So yeah, it would be nice if *something* was returned this year, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by commonman on Jun 21, 2023 9:36:37 GMT
Apple TV has added the official BBC synopsis of 8 missing episodes, as has been noticed on twitter and GB. (EDIT: oops, yeah I meant 9)
It's most likely a clerical error, especially considering the airdates, synopsis not matching the episode number, screenshots. it's alsovery soon to be film cans from the recently deceased hoarder:
official synopsies
{Spoiler list} * Galaxy 4 ep4 (2 october 1965 w/ synopsis of ep3)
* Myth Maker ep2 & 4 (23rd october and 6th november 1965, no screenshots)
* Smuggler ep2 & 4 (19th september and 1st october 1966, no screenshots)
* Highlander ep2 (31st december 1966 also numbered as Power ep5 and Highlander ep3, no screenshot)
* Space Pirate ep3, 4 & 5 w/ synopsis or 4, 5 & 6 (all dated 31st december 1968 and w/ screenshots of the Fury animation)
imo, it's just a clerical error.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 21, 2023 11:54:06 GMT
Apple TV has added the official BBC synopsis of 8 missing episodes, as has been noticed on twitter and GB.
It's most likely a clerical error, especially considering the airdates, synopsis not matching the episode number, screenshots. it's alsovery soon to be film cans from the recently deceased hoarder:
official synopsies
{Spoiler list} * Galaxy 4 ep4 (2 october 1965 w/ synopsis of ep3)
* Myth Maker ep2 & 4 (23rd october and 6th november 1965, no screenshots)
* Smuggler ep2 & 4 (19th september and 1st october 1966, no screenshots)
* Highlander ep2 (31st december 1966 also numbered as Power ep5 and Highlander ep3, no screenshot)
* Space Pirate ep3, 4 & 5 w/ synopsis or 4, 5 & 6 (all dated 31st december 1968 and w/ screenshots of the Fury animation)
imo, it's just a clerical error.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Jun 21, 2023 13:36:56 GMT
Would be amazing if true but the other orphans aren't there such as Celestial Toymaker 4 or Evil of the Daleks 2. And the thumbnails are very inconsistent throughout. I fall for every missing episode rumour going but wish Philip Morris would shut his mouth until something else is actually announced. It's been ten years since EW and he's rode that wave for more than long enough.
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