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Post by The Brigadier on Dec 29, 2023 8:37:52 GMT
I've yet to purchase this boxset, so before I make any comment on the topic I have one question (purely to clarify how I am reading the comments) : In the opinion of those who have listened to it, is Sins of the Flesh making a sweeping generalisation about religion and gay conversion therapy?
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Post by shallacatop on Dec 29, 2023 9:05:29 GMT
I don’t think it’s sweeping or ignorant, to be honest. It’s set at the Rebirth Organisation, which is where parents are sending their children for conversion therapy, so it’s understandably going to focus specifically on those religious parents and their “sinful” children. At no point does it make a sweeping generalisation and say that every religion is like it, nor every follower of that religion.
Perhaps it lacks a line or two of dialogue to explicitly say “well not everyone’s like it”, but that would be clunky and would dilute the point being made. The focus is on the unfolding events, which is where the story is set.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 29, 2023 15:33:16 GMT
I've yet to purchase this boxset, so before I make any comment on the topic I have one question (purely to clarify how I am reading the comments) : In the opinion of those who have listened to it, is Sins of the Flesh making a sweeping generalisation about religion and gay conversion therapy? I personally found it really annoying (as I have mentioned in my critique). I am probably not woke enough for stuff like this.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 29, 2023 15:45:35 GMT
Just listened to Sins of the Flesh. It is fairly broad take on extreme religious pressure for conversion therapy, but personally that didn’t bother me all that much. It’s got a point to make and doesn’t beat about the bush with it. The inclusion of the 7B Cybermen seemed a bit thrown into tbh, as they didn’t amount to much. But other than that, an enjoyable Cyberman romp.
The final scene addressing the Doctor’s mood at this point was nice. He’s finally able to open up to Valerie, albeit as the ending approaches.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 9, 2024 14:52:25 GMT
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 9, 2024 18:12:31 GMT
That is good news. So that just leaves ALL OF TIME AND SPACE without a music suite or indeed any bonus content.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 15:58:24 GMT
Brilliant set of stories, wonderful engaging audio drama with great character arcs.
Top notch release.
8.5/10
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Post by mark687 on Jan 24, 2024 15:17:12 GMT
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 28, 2024 16:24:07 GMT
Still wondering who the "Consultant" could be. A bit of wishful thinking…the consultant could be House from The Doctor’s Wife and the woman on the phone would then be Idris. I know both were destroyed at the end of the episode, but this is Doctor Who, so the dead don’t have to stay dead. However the final set seems to be Dalek centric, so the consultant will probably be a Dalek Puppet in a capture Time War Tardis. The consultant would be someone who has a grudge against the Doctor, even though the Daleks don’t know who the Doctor is. So in that case the woman on the phone…? Most likely someone connected to the consultant or perhaps Hannah von Karlsen!? But having put forward those two possibilities I have to say The Consultant would be a really cool name for a Time Lord. Someone with no morals who simply works for the highest bidder. Hmm perhaps as well as capturing a Tardis the Daleks also captured the Time Lord owner and he got an offer he didn’t want to refuse.
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Post by readyproductions on Jan 28, 2024 21:41:36 GMT
Still wondering who the "Consultant" could be. A bit of wishful thinking…the consultant could be House from The Doctor’s Wife and the woman on the phone would then be Idris. I know both were destroyed at the end of the episode, but this is Doctor Who, so the dead don’t have to stay dead. However the final set seems to be Dalek centric, so the consultant will probably be a Dalek Puppet in a capture Time War Tardis. The consultant would be someone who has a grudge against the Doctor, even though the Daleks don’t know who the Doctor is. So in that case the woman on the phone…? Most likely someone connected to the consultant or perhaps Hannah von Karlsen!? But having put forward those two possibilities I have to say The Consultant would be a really cool name for a Time Lord. Someone with no morals who simply works for the highest bidder. Hmm perhaps as well as capturing a Tardis the Daleks also captured the Time Lord owner and he got an offer he didn’t want to refuse. Hmmm.I don't know. I seriously doubt the Consultant will be a Dalek Puppet considering he is trying to wipe out the Daleks, unless it's one that's gone rogue or something. I do agree with you though that the woman on the phone ISN'T the Consultant, but probably someone who is working for (or maybe against) them, considering that Hendricks referred to the Consultant as a "he" in All's Fair. I almost wonder if the Consultant and/or the Woman is actually Valarie and Hayden's child. I don't know, I'm honestly kinda stuck!
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Post by mbt66 on Jan 28, 2024 22:20:35 GMT
A bit of wishful thinking…the consultant could be House from The Doctor’s Wife and the woman on the phone would then be Idris. I know both were destroyed at the end of the episode, but this is Doctor Who, so the dead don’t have to stay dead. However the final set seems to be Dalek centric, so the consultant will probably be a Dalek Puppet in a capture Time War Tardis. The consultant would be someone who has a grudge against the Doctor, even though the Daleks don’t know who the Doctor is. So in that case the woman on the phone…? Most likely someone connected to the consultant or perhaps Hannah von Karlsen!? But having put forward those two possibilities I have to say The Consultant would be a really cool name for a Time Lord. Someone with no morals who simply works for the highest bidder. Hmm perhaps as well as capturing a Tardis the Daleks also captured the Time Lord owner and he got an offer he didn’t want to refuse. Hmmm.I don't know. I seriously doubt the Consultant will be a Dalek Puppet considering he is trying to wipe out the Daleks, unless it's one that's gone rogue or something. I do agree with you though that the woman on the phone ISN'T the Consultant, but probably someone who is working for (or maybe against) them, considering that Hendricks referred to the Consultant as a "he" in All's Fair. I almost wonder if the Consultant and/or the Woman is actually Valarie and Hayden's child. I don't know, I'm honestly kinda stuck! We will find out soon, but it’s fun to speculate!
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Post by muddyviolet on Jan 30, 2024 2:46:41 GMT
I genuinely think Sins of The Flesh will be remembered as one of Big Finish's best use of the cybermen mentioned alongside Spare Parts.
It's the cyberman story we should have had in series 7, it's bold and manages to expose the horrors of conversion therapy by comparing it with the the horrors of cyber conversion.
It also doesn't accidentally condemn all religious people which is obviously good as most religious people are increasingly tolerant.
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Post by eldersensorite on Jan 31, 2024 12:19:49 GMT
Is anyone else who pre-ordered still waiting on the CD to be dispatched? Seen others get it and wondering at what point I should start worrying and/or emailing about it...
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Post by mark687 on Feb 18, 2024 17:16:03 GMT
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