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Post by mark687 on Jun 19, 2024 11:32:18 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Jun 19, 2024 12:47:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 12:48:00 GMT
Sam only wrote the score for the new segments on the other installments, the classic episodes themselves had the original scores.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 19, 2024 12:50:53 GMT
To see if Tales lives up to its purpose I have directed my dad to BBC4 tomorrow for context ahead of Empire of Death after he was bemused by the twist last week. Tbh I’m wondering if it’ll jog any memories for him (I know he watched some 70s Who, but not sure on when he stopped).
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 19, 2024 15:47:36 GMT
DWM gives a little bit more context of what to expect. The story has been remastered and Benjamin Cook has done a new 75-minute edit, featuring new VFX. Given the 76-minute runtime allocated and the work done to the source material, this seems to be more in the style of The Daleks in Colour than the previous six Tales of the TARDIS instalments, which had more substantial bookends and an omnibus presentation to the original stories. I wouldn't be surprised if it found its way onto the Season One home media release.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 15:55:23 GMT
DWM gives a little bit more context of what to expect. The story has been remastered and Benjamin Cook has done a new 75-minute edit, featuring new VFX. Given the 76-minute runtime allocated and the work done to the source material, this seems to be more in the style of The Daleks in Colour than the previous six Tales of the TARDIS instalments, which had more substantial bookends and an omnibus presentation to the original stories. I wouldn't be surprised if it found its way onto the Season One home media release. If they've done this without Disney cash, BBC Studios may fancy releasing it themselves since it wouldn't be forced to be UK-only. Fans all over can buy Daleks In Colour or The Toymaker but it'll be a long time before they can buy Season One. Releasing this when there's still hype from it being fresh, I could see that.
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Post by number13 on Jun 19, 2024 21:43:15 GMT
A very faint 'Doctor Who alert' bell is ringing in my head (imagine the cloister bell, but not ominous and muffled by almost 50 years distance!) warning of history repeating itself.
I think there was an 'omnibus' edition of 'Pyramids of Mars', slightly cut down in length, shown one Christmas or summer holidays. It would have been about 1976 I suppose.
Or, I'm imagining it. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/mW7FMmAyG_vqxkNOJyyh.gif) Does anyone have facts either way?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 22:18:16 GMT
A very faint 'Doctor Who alert' bell is ringing in my head (imagine the cloister bell, but not ominous and muffled by almost 50 years distance!) warning of history repeating itself.
I think there was an 'omnibus' edition of 'Pyramids of Mars', slightly cut down in length, shown one Christmas or summer holidays. It would have been about 1976 I suppose.
Or, I'm imagining it. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/mW7FMmAyG_vqxkNOJyyh.gif) Does anyone have facts either way? There was. And like all the 80s Who VHS, it was an omnibus presentation when Pyramids came out in 1985 with full episodes only coming out in 1994. There was another omnbus done for the Doctor's Revisited in 2013. Most of the omnibus versions were done speedily by people who didn't care what they were cutting but are of historical interest. This version will be specifically highlighting certain elements pertinent to the 2 part finale, so will be a bit different of a mandate from Benjamin Cook's last job with Daleks In Colour which started well but went to pot for the last third. The context of what and how The Doctor and Millie will be doing is quite fascinating. RTD said the Memory TARDIS would play a much bigger role than we expected - he wasn't lying. I don't think any of us expected it to be used for a new edit, new effects and catching up modern audiences (well, modern British audiences, sorry rest of the world!) on what a big deal this is. And it's such a perfect story for this too - Tom sells his terror of Sutekh much more than he does just about any threat and Sarah Jane is a nice familiar point for a large chunk of the newer audiences coming to check it out.
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Post by number13 on Jun 19, 2024 22:59:56 GMT
A very faint 'Doctor Who alert' bell is ringing in my head (imagine the cloister bell, but not ominous and muffled by almost 50 years distance!) warning of history repeating itself.
I think there was an 'omnibus' edition of 'Pyramids of Mars', slightly cut down in length, shown one Christmas or summer holidays. It would have been about 1976 I suppose.
Or, I'm imagining it. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/mW7FMmAyG_vqxkNOJyyh.gif) Does anyone have facts either way? There was. And like all the 80s Who VHS, it was an omnibus presentation when Pyramids came out in 1985 with full episodes only coming out in 1994. There was another omnbus done for the Doctor's Revisited in 2013. Most of the omnibus versions were done speedily by people who didn't care what they were cutting but are of historical interest. This version will be specifically highlighting certain elements pertinent to the 2 part finale, so will be a bit different of a mandate from Benjamin Cook's last job with Daleks In Colour which started well but went to pot for the last third. The context of what and how The Doctor and Millie will be doing is quite fascinating. RTD said the Memory TARDIS would play a much bigger role than we expected - he wasn't lying. I don't think any of us expected it to be used for a new edit, new effects and catching up modern audiences (well, modern British audiences, sorry rest of the world!) on what a big deal this is. And it's such a perfect story for this too - Tom sells his terror of Sutekh much more than he does just about any threat and Sarah Jane is a nice familiar point for a large chunk of the newer audiences coming to check it out. Thank you! I have the "omnibus" VHS but that's just without the titles and reprises and squeaks in under 90 minutes; I couldn't remember for sure if there really was a shorter edited 'omnibus' but I thought there was!
EDIT: We'll probably get it in the Season 13 Collection set if it still exists, as they've included several of the other 'omnibuses'.
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 20, 2024 6:34:07 GMT
Little fact: the initial 60 minute omnibus was created for a repeat in late 1976 and was actually the highest rated episode of Doctor Who up to that point, with nearly 14 million viewers! It was beaten by City of Death 3 years later thanks to ongoing strikes, which hasn’t been bettered since.
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Post by number13 on Jun 20, 2024 6:54:41 GMT
Little fact: the initial 60 minute omnibus was created for a repeat in late 1976 and was actually the highest rated episode of Doctor Who up to that point, with nearly 14 million viewers! It was beaten by City of Death 3 years later thanks to ongoing strikes, which hasn’t been bettered since. Cheers, so it was Christmas holidays 1976 then and at least I remembered that! Now I come to think of it, not only did I watch it (of course) I taped it (audio only, naturally) and listened to it as often as you'd expect. Amazingly enough I still have a random few of my audios of TV 'Doctor Who' but they are all late-era Tom. No idea where the 'Pyramids' tape went to. Did Sutekh object to my taping his story and give it the old green ray? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/mW7FMmAyG_vqxkNOJyyh.gif)
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Post by ollychops on Jun 20, 2024 20:23:30 GMT
Thought the omnibus edition was great and the new FX and music weren’t too bad.
The Fifteen/Ruby framing parts were disappointing considering the other ones we got in the TOTT series were so good. Bit too short for my liking.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 20, 2024 20:25:36 GMT
To be honest, left a bit nonplussed by the Pyramids one. The Fifteen and Ruby bookends are way less substantial than last year’s and the changes to Pyramids really don’t amount to much. Unless you’ve got a particular disliking for the time corridor effects, Sutekh not recognising Gallifrey’s name instantly and Horus’ riddle on Mars, there’s really no point watching this instead of the original.
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 20, 2024 20:26:29 GMT
I thought it was tastefully edited. Mainly cuts to part four and a tighten up here and there, some scenes made out to play in parallel rather than sequentially. A shot of Sutekh is introduced much earlier on in the story, the Logopolis score is used in the Marconiscope scene for some reason and the TARDIS exterior door sound is added.
I did think the CGI choice was more restrained than I’d have expected. For example, there’s a lovely new TARDIS sequence at the beginning, but then a few minutes later we’re back to the wobbly model TARDIS shot. Other than that it’s a couple of new effects, most notably the time corridor, which used the vortex from the current titles. I’d have preferred a moving version of the Pyramids-inspired vortex from the Season One poster, if I’m honest. Was surprised that they didn’t amend the jackal head in any way, same for the corridor effects from part four.
The Fifteen & Ruby bookends are very brief, about 30 seconds either side. A nice little curio, but more in the vein of The Daleks in Colour rather than Tales of the TARDIS, I’d say.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 20, 2024 22:38:41 GMT
It was enjoyable and did what it said on the Tin, Nucuti and Millie have another little moment charm and I think the Logopolis score was a deliberate cheeky nod to 4s future.
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Post by sexbombsimon on Jun 20, 2024 23:46:25 GMT
They even corrected the famous blooper in episode 4. When Sutekh arises from paralysis in episode 4 you can see an arm on the throne of someone behind it. It’s been corrected and no there’s no arm. Very impressed!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2024 3:07:18 GMT
A brilliant re-edit. I was worried as Benjamin messed up The Daleks when it came to the action - Mark Ayers score didn't help - but this was a much better watch. A lot les to condense of course. But it was tight, didn't miss out anything major (some fans will moan about the odd line but...some will moan about EVERYTHING) and the story holds up.
Two friends of mine watched and loved it, who wanted to see what the big deal with Sutekh is. It coulda done with a more organic wraparound - it feels like Ncuti and Millie were only there for PR as the other tales told new stories, started new threads and even hinted that Russell's bi-generation going back down the timeline may be true. This was just "This one time..."
I wonder if it were a few years ago when he was fitter, Tom would have taken part. Imagine Millie going into the memory TARDIS with Ncuti and the TARDIS makes a bang and a flash and BOOM...Tom is there, and the old Doctor tells his story to her before changing back to say "And now...we're going to stop him forever"
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Post by Chakoteya on Jun 21, 2024 8:58:12 GMT
So THAT'S how the US are going to get to see Pyramids without law-breaking. Bet they hate it then criticise how it doesn't match up with the new storyline, including the CGI.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2024 9:01:23 GMT
So THAT'S how the US are going to get to see Pyramids without law-breaking. Bet they hate it then criticise how it doesn't match up with the new storyline, including the CGI. Sorry, how are the US seeing it? And who is criticising?
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Post by timleschild on Jun 21, 2024 9:30:46 GMT
So THAT'S how the US are going to get to see Pyramids without law-breaking. Bet they hate it then criticise how it doesn't match up with the new storyline, including the CGI. What do you mean? TOTT is only available in UK via the BBC iPlayer.
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