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Post by timleschild on Nov 28, 2023 18:24:25 GMT
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 28, 2023 20:26:02 GMT
Segun - who I miss greatly - at least imbued his version of the theme with the kind of ghostly howl that has the hairs standing up on the back of the neck.
This exactly. Segun's music brought back the ominous otherworldy feel to Who.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 6:39:24 GMT
AI score of 84, joint highest since World Enough And Time with Capaldi, and last time it was beaten was Dark Water with..Capaldi.
Guess audiences still love eps that end with Master reveals given those two 12th Doc ones!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 6:49:11 GMT
AI score of 84, joint highest since World Enough And Time with Capaldi, and last time it was beaten was Dark Water with..Capaldi. Guess audiences still love eps that end with Master reveals given those two 12th Doc ones! Thing I loved about Dark Water wasn't the Master reveal, it was the reveal that Clara was the Doctor. Oh how I wish that had been true. But anyway. Cracking score, bodes well for future weeks
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Post by number13 on Nov 29, 2023 11:40:52 GMT
AI score of 84, joint highest since World Enough And Time with Capaldi, and last time it was beaten was Dark Water with..Capaldi. Guess audiences still love eps that end with Master reveals given those two 12th Doc ones! Saying this tactfully, is it possible the higher score is because Ten Fourteen and Donna are the best TARDIS team we've had for some time and the story was a cracker in both writing and production? (Pleased to see my new series favourite Doctor still topping the ratings, for the moment at least! )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 12:12:08 GMT
AI score of 84, joint highest since World Enough And Time with Capaldi, and last time it was beaten was Dark Water with..Capaldi. Guess audiences still love eps that end with Master reveals given those two 12th Doc ones! Saying this tactfully, is it possible the higher score is because Ten Fourteen and Donna are the best TARDIS team we've had for some time and the story was a cracker in both writing and production? (Pleased to see my new series favourite Doctor still topping the ratings, for the moment at least! ) Oh, Capaldi doesn't top the AI ratings, not even close. He'd top mine but that defeats the AI scoring regular punters and not just diehards. That's just the last time this past week's was equalled. Parting Of The Ways, Doomsday, Forest Of The Dead (AND Silence In The Library) and End Of Time Pt.2 got 89 in the RTD era and Big Bang and oddly for us fans Asylum Of The Daleks got the same. Stolen Earth and Journey's End got 91 which I don't see being beaten. That's insane. Even Day Of The Doctor got "only" 88. The AI score is handy as it tells us what the "not-we" like. Big spectacle eps, returning characters, massive blockbusters, fave monsters regardless of quality ep. Telling that Jodie's joint highest were her debut and when Captain Jack came back. On the other hand a huge fan fave like Heaven Sent? Second lowest AI of Series 9. Lowest of S4? Midnight! Blink got the same as The Shakespeare Code. It's a nice way to see Who outside the bubble a bit.
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Post by number13 on Nov 29, 2023 12:26:03 GMT
Saying this tactfully, is it possible the higher score is because Ten Fourteen and Donna are the best TARDIS team we've had for some time and the story was a cracker in both writing and production? (Pleased to see my new series favourite Doctor still topping the ratings, for the moment at least! ) Oh, Capaldi doesn't top the AI ratings, not even close. He'd top mine but that defeats the AI scoring regular punters and not just diehards. That's just the last time this past week's was equalled. Parting Of The Ways, Doomsday, Forest Of The Dead (AND Silence In The Library) and End Of Time Pt.2 got 89 in the RTD era and Big Bang and oddly for us fans Asylum Of The Daleks got the same. Stolen Earth and Journey's End got 91 which I don't see being beaten. That's insane. Even Day Of The Doctor got "only" 88. The AI score is handy as it tells us what the "not-we" like. Big spectacle eps, returning characters, massive blockbusters, fave monsters regardless of quality ep. Telling that Jodie's joint highest were her debut and when Captain Jack came back. On the other hand a huge fan fave like Heaven Sent? Second lowest AI of Series 9. Lowest of S4? Midnight! Blink got the same as The Shakespeare Code. It's a nice way to see Who outside the bubble a bit. Thanks for clearing that up, I did find the idea of Twelve topping the AI scores a bit surprising. Very pleasing but surprising! (I know this is heretical, but I don't like Midnight much either. So am I 'not-we'? On the other hand, Heaven Sent is totally outstanding so maybe I am 'we' after all. )
Not surprised to see the list of really top episodes, there are great episodes in there and a very popular Doctor. (Asylum of the Daleks? Daleks; they still command supreme ratings after all these years.)
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Post by nomad on Nov 29, 2023 15:07:49 GMT
Hi all,
I'm an occasional lurker, but thought I'd just contribute a little specialist knowledge. I’ve read a lot of ire being directed towards Panini on this thread, but you’ll notice that Pat Mills talks about the ‘original’ publisher who still own the copyright to his stories. That's not Panini.
Yes, Panini have produced numerous collections over the last couple of decades with The complete Fourth Doctor collection just being the latest. Panini have a licence to reprint in the UK and Europe. IDW had a similar licence for the rest of the World when they held the rights to Doctor Who. Titan, who took over from IDW, haven't as far as I'm aware.
Legally, for exploitation purposes, Beep and the Wrarth Warriors are Marvel Characters. Disney own Marvel, and therefore they are Disney IP.
Let that sink in for a while. ;-)
Still OK? You see, Doctor Who Weekly was the brainchild of legendary editor Dez Skinn (look him up). He was appointed to head Marvel UK by Stan Lee himself. Dez was a Doctor Who fan who went into publishing taking sci-fi, fantasy and horror very seriously. He founded Starburst Magazine which Marvel eventually bought. He was very canny at developing relationships and using Starburst to gauge interest in film and TV projects. When appointed to Marvel he was convinced that Doctor Who fans were crying out for something and went to the BBC for rights to develop a comic.
Russel T Davies has been signaling what his intention has been for a while to those lucky enough to experience Doctor Who Weekly. Tales from the Tardis? The first time I read that title it was one of the original backup strips in DWW. Dez commissioned newly drawn intro and outro panels of the Fourth Doctor introducing you to ‘classic’ sci-fi. The War of the Worlds was the first one with a period accurate rendition of the story that Marvel had commissioned the previous decade. You can see the parallel? A new way to enjoy archive classic material. New content at low cost. Forty years later that period of TV Doctor Who is ‘classic’. New intro and outro with the original actors? I hope someone has bought Dez a few pints for his inspiration.
The BBC and Disney talk about a shared creative vision. Russel talks about an MCU-style expanded universe. He could be being very literal as Dez, at Marvel, tried his best to develop the first attempt at a real extended Universe. Kroton the Cyberman, Abslom Daak, Tales of ancient Gallifrey and many more. Disney, through Marvel, own them all. Over 16 years of storytelling.
Sorry - I can talk for hours on this subject. I’ll just say that Marvel broke promises to Dez that he in turn had passed on to creatives like Pat. The relationships broke down. As an apology, Dez introduced Pat and John Wagner to John Nathan Turner, thinking they had the potential to switch to TV. It was an equally frustrating experience for them. Dez left Marvel shortly after launching the Monthly.
What goes round comes around. How do you think some at Marvel feel when they look at the quality of writing and art staff Dez assembled and realise that short term greed passed that talent to their great rival DC. They actually had Alan Moore, at the start of his career. Writing about Cybermen, Autons and Time Lords. Six years later he’s reinventing comics. For DC. You have to laugh.
Hope this helps. If you want to know the future, look to the past. Hope you all enjoy the rest of the specials!
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Post by bonehead on Nov 29, 2023 15:37:17 GMT
Very interesting, nomad. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 17:31:35 GMT
Very interesting. And a quick search confirms Panini has the license to print Marvel UK properties, which would not include any rights to those properties.
Which means there are no reasons for Panini to make any payments.
And I've got to say. Abslom Daak, Kroton or the Black Sun would be top of my list for spinoffs.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 30, 2023 9:58:20 GMT
Holy meeps - two million more in just one day.
I thought it'd clear the typical 1.5 catchup from Jodie's in a week with ease, but it beat that in a single day?
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 30, 2023 10:06:55 GMT
Jane Tranter also added that since Monday it looks to be doing an additional million per day. Assuming that’ll drop off at some point, if not already, but seems we’re looking at 10+ million easily.
I think, viewing figures aside, the retention on iPlayer should be pretty impressive too, which arguably may be of more interest to the BBC right now. Between the episode, commentary and Unleashed, that’s 2.5 hours of content. Another 30 mins on the podcast via BBC Sounds and then the back catalogue available on both platforms; that’s unbelievably valuable.
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2023 10:47:50 GMT
Holy meeps - two million more in just one day. I thought it'd clear the typical 1.5 catchup from Jodie's in a week with ease, but it beat that in a single day? 'No need to ask why, do it for the Most High! You are Meep's Friends - view them all!'
One of those 1.5M views is from me watching it again, and another will be me on a second rewatch tomorrow. Loved it.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 30, 2023 10:57:26 GMT
Holy meeps - two million more in just one day. I thought it'd clear the typical 1.5 catchup from Jodie's in a week with ease, but it beat that in a single day? 'No need to ask why, do it for the Most High! You are Meep's Friends - view them all!'
One of those 1.5M views is from me watching it again, and another will be me on a second rewatch tomorrow. Loved it.
Complete sidenote, but given how open ended Meep is here and the amazing costume they made…surely wouldn’t be out for the question for an adaptation of The Ratings War to pop up in Gatwa’s era…
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 30, 2023 11:05:31 GMT
Jane Tranter also added that since Monday it looks to be doing an additional million per day. Assuming that’ll drop off at some point, if not already, but seems we’re looking at 10+ million easily. With the episode building more and more viewership on iPlayer, it does also blow up the NMD's latest brainworm that, by acknowledging that transpeople exist and deserve love, the British public were going to abandon the show in droves because 'wokeness' or whatever they're moaning about this week for clicks.
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2023 11:29:26 GMT
'No need to ask why, do it for the Most High! You are Meep's Friends - view them all!'
One of those 1.5M views is from me watching it again, and another will be me on a second rewatch tomorrow. Loved it.
Complete sidenote, but given how open ended Meep is here and the amazing costume they made…surely wouldn’t be out for the question for an adaptation of The Ratings War to pop up in Gatwa’s era… Perfect storyline for TV, set on TV about TV! Bring back the Meep!
Second sidenote, is this just the third time that an existing story (in whatever other medium) has been adapted into/inspired a story for the TV series? The only others I can think of are 'Jubilee' and 'Human Nature'. But then I know very little about lots of the novels and zero about the comics.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 30, 2023 11:39:25 GMT
Complete sidenote, but given how open ended Meep is here and the amazing costume they made…surely wouldn’t be out for the question for an adaptation of The Ratings War to pop up in Gatwa’s era… Perfect storyline for TV, set on TV about TV! Bring back the Meep!
Second sidenote, is this just the third time that an existing story (in whatever other medium) has been adapted into/inspired a story for the TV series? The only others I can think of are 'Jubilee' and 'Human Nature'. But then I know very little about lots of the novels and zero about the comics.
There’s a few more. The Lodger was originally a Tenth Doctor comic, though only thing that really carried over from comic to TV was basic concept of the Doctor trapped on Earth whilst companion is stuck in TARDIS and the football scene. Moffat wrote an annual story in 2005 about a girl called Sally Sparrow helping send the TARDIS back in time to the Doctor with help from old tapes, which he later reworked for Blink. Similarly Moffat wrote a short story in the 90s called Continuity Errors which involves the Doctor rewriting a person’s life to make them help him in the present; an idea which he later revisited on grander scale in A Christmas Carol (fun fact Professor Candy is mentioned as a historian specialising in the Doctor in this short story and he later turns up at end of Let’s Kill Hitler, albeit only identified by name in credits). Rise of the Cybermen/ The Age of Steel does credit Marc Platt ”with thanks”, implying some inspiration was taken from Spare Parts. Though aside from sharing the premise of the creation of the Cybermen, really not sure what that inspiration actually was. Maybe an earlier draft was more similar 🤷♂️.
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2023 12:01:16 GMT
Perfect storyline for TV, set on TV about TV! Bring back the Meep!
Second sidenote, is this just the third time that an existing story (in whatever other medium) has been adapted into/inspired a story for the TV series? The only others I can think of are 'Jubilee' and 'Human Nature'. But then I know very little about lots of the novels and zero about the comics.
There’s a few more. The Lodger was originally a Tenth Doctor comic, though only thing that really carried over from comic to TV was basic concept of the Doctor trapped on Earth whilst companion is stuck in TARDIS and the football scene. Moffat wrote an annual story in 2005 about a girl called Sally Sparrow helping send the TARDIS back in time to the Doctor with help from old tapes, which he later reworked for Blink. Similarly Moffat wrote a short story in the 90s called Continuity Errors which involves the Doctor rewriting a person’s life to make them help him in the present; an idea which he later revisited on grander scale in A Christmas Carol (fun fact Professor Candy is mentioned as a historian specialising in the Doctor in this short story and he later turns up at end of Let’s Kill Hitler, albeit only identified by name in credits). Rise of the Cybermen/ The Age of Steel does credit Marc Platt ”with thanks”, implying some inspiration was taken from Spare Parts. Though aside from sharing the premise of the creation of the Cybermen, really not sure what that inspiration actually was. Maybe an earlier draft was more similar 🤷♂️. Cheers for that! I should have remembered the nod to 'Spare Parts', but the others were all news to me. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 12:19:05 GMT
Jane Tranter also added that since Monday it looks to be doing an additional million per day. Assuming that’ll drop off at some point, if not already, but seems we’re looking at 10+ million easily. I think, viewing figures aside, the retention on iPlayer should be pretty impressive too, which arguably may be of more interest to the BBC right now. Between the episode, commentary and Unleashed, that’s 2.5 hours of content. Another 30 mins on the podcast via BBC Sounds and then the back catalogue available on both platforms; that’s unbelievably valuable. I don't think it's gonna be quite 10million. It does tend to be the first day or two where the majority of the heavy lifting is done with catchup. The most the show has ever added after 7 days is still under 3 million with Time Of The Doctor. Even after the full 28, 3.24million is the record (Woman Who Fell To Earth) - so this would need to not just be the most successful timeshift ever but break the record by an extra 50% too. 8million would seem about right and still be a massive, massive success.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 30, 2023 13:18:32 GMT
Jane Tranter also added that since Monday it looks to be doing an additional million per day. Assuming that’ll drop off at some point, if not already, but seems we’re looking at 10+ million easily. I think, viewing figures aside, the retention on iPlayer should be pretty impressive too, which arguably may be of more interest to the BBC right now. Between the episode, commentary and Unleashed, that’s 2.5 hours of content. Another 30 mins on the podcast via BBC Sounds and then the back catalogue available on both platforms; that’s unbelievably valuable. I don't think it's gonna be quite 10million. It does tend to be the first day or two where the majority of the heavy lifting is done with catchup. The most the show has ever added after 7 days is still under 3 million with Time Of The Doctor. Even after the full 28, 3.24million is the record (Woman Who Fell To Earth) - so this would need to not just be the most successful timeshift ever but break the record by an extra 50% too. 8million would seem about right and still be a massive, massive success. Just going by what’s said on the radio and attached tweets. 5 million overnight, plus 2 million Sunday and a million a day being added since Monday. Let’s say that’s Monday and Tuesday data Tranter has, so that’s 2 million, making 9 million total and already seems to have broken the time shift record based on what we’ve been told. Doesn’t seem unfeasible there’s another million to be added Wednesday through to Saturday if we know it’s about 9m now. We’ll see come the weekend and then the New Year when the full 28 data is released.
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