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Post by timleschild on Dec 11, 2023 20:51:18 GMT
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Dec 11, 2023 21:31:11 GMT
To be fair, that was is a near state of constant warfare with all his enemies. If anything, The Husbands of River Song would be a better example. But that was before the Flux. Arguably the most devestating loss of the Doctor's life. Even bigger than Logopolis or The Apocalypse Element.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2023 22:26:03 GMT
To be fair, that was is a near state of constant warfare with all his enemies. If anything, The Husbands of River Song would be a better example. But that was before the Flux. Arguably the most devestating loss of the Doctor's life. Even bigger than Logopolis or The Apocalypse Element. Exactly, that tweet is picking the very superficial. The Doctor signed up for a lifetime war against invasion on Trenzalore, knowing prophecies already said that's where he dies. Doesn't sound like peaceful retirement to me! Even Husbands - every day he was with River is a day closer to her death he's already seen. Hence his pain in Doctor Mysterio. And that's before the losses of Clara, Bill and the fallout of The Flux. (Did The Doctor at least make sure Dan had a new house?) I think what the Tweet misses - it wasn't just staying in one place. It's staying in peace - with family. Not friends for dinner every so often....a niece, a sister, a mother, a brother. The Doctor settles down with a family for the first time since long before the events of the first ever episode. As Ncuti said, he's only better as his Doctor because Tennant's incarnation does take that step of forgiveness and rehab himself.
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Post by daz on Dec 12, 2023 4:23:57 GMT
I did love this special and I've got a lot of faith in RTD...
But if this biregeneration is left like this with the 14th 'angin' abou' in London then it does raise some awkward questions, like what happens if 14 is hit by a bus tomorrow, does he regenerate into the 15th again, or another 15th? I can conceive of ways that this can be resolved, and 15 does imply that 14's therapy is in 15's past, so hopefully this is wrapped up nicely at some point.
It did make me think of K’anpo Rimpoche, who was assisted by a future regeneration for a while.
Another Adric mention ... who does Katarina have to shag to get a shout out? I did get a smile out of the Mavic Chen nod ... great loony villain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 4:46:54 GMT
I did love this special and I've got a lot of faith in RTD... But if this biregeneration is left like this with the 14th 'angin' abou' in London then it does raise some awkward questions, like what happens if 14 is hit by a bus tomorrow, does he regenerate into the 15th again, or another 15th? I can conceive of ways that this can be resolved, and 15 does imply that 14's therapy is in 15's past, so hopefully this is wrapped up nicely at some point. It did make me think of K’anpo Rimpoche, who was assisted by a future regeneration for a while. Another Adric mention ... who does Katarina have to shag to get a shout out? I did get a smile out of the Mavic Chen nod ... great loony villain. I loved Mavic Chen's shoutout. Kevin Stoney is my second favourite Who villain actor of the classic era with Chen and especially Tobias Vaughn in The Invasion. How does one man find so many ways to say "Packer". (my fave though - Phil Madoc. The War Lord and Solon? Untouchable) I missed the rehab bit on first watch a little but yeah, the line is "I'm fine BECAUSE you fixed yourself. We're Time Lords. We're doing rehab out of order." So that seems explicit enough - but it's Who, a pencil erases whatever it needs to when it needs to - that for now at least he's directly the next Doctor along. It's a nice ace to have up the sleeve for the show - a Tennant who can age and have a final story any time. Bets on the 75th Anniversary special, anyone? I kinda love some of the awkward endings of Who that don't hold water. Take Amy and Rory. Trapped in New York and the TARDIS can never go there for them or the city would be ripped apart. Well, Tennant just took Mel there about 70 years before those events. Where's the cutoff where he couldn't just get Rory and Amy? Or what's to stop Amy and Rory being in Alabama in the 50s and meet The Doctor in Rosa? It's almost an unspoken meta bond with the audience that "You know the actor left, just go with it". Reminds me of the lyrics to the theme for Mystery Science Theatre 3000 "If you're wondering how he eats and breathes, and other science facts? Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show, I should really just relax" Clunky, dumb and wonderful.
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Post by daz on Dec 12, 2023 9:15:07 GMT
Kind of thought they should have chosen a game other than catch... something where it was clearly an advantage to have two against one.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 12, 2023 9:46:09 GMT
Kind of thought they should have chosen a game other than catch... something where it was clearly an advantage to have two against one. I actually really like them using a simple game (that was foreshadowed in the toyshop) - a neat subversion of either the expected big epic battle or some big mind bending puzzle with some last minute 'aha' solution.
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Dec 12, 2023 11:19:48 GMT
I like the idea of everything hinging on a simple game, but I did think it was a weird one. Like, catch is normally about no-one wanting to drop the ball, working together. So what are the parametres? What constitutes a fair throw? Presumably you can't just turn around and throw it over the edge. They at least got some good character bit in, but otherwise, it didn't quite work for me.
But I came here to say I might have noticed a fun little detail that may or may not have been intentional. The scene where 14 bigenerates uses the same music as 9 regenerating into 10. And while rambling, he jokes about maybe coming back with "two heads".
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Post by dasmaniac on Dec 12, 2023 19:01:45 GMT
RTD saw a video of a disabled fan saying they weren't sure if they'd be able to get in the TARDIS and that's what spurred him to make the change.
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Post by ollychops on Dec 12, 2023 22:24:29 GMT
He might be the one saying it, but until it becomes text in the show itself (not supplementary material like ToTT), I'm just ignoring what RTD says as it comes across as his theory/headcanon in the commentary. Tales Of The TARDIS isn't part of the show? It's Doctor Who eps presented by the BBC and produced by the current production team with their licenced characters. It....happened. It's not like a throwaway line on eps of Unleashed that you could chalk up as "supplementary material". As I said - it doesn't really matter if anyone likes it or not - he just put the idea out there and can pick it up if he likes, or not. Like The Timeless Child it leaves doors that can either be opened or moved passed. Not to me. It's more of a framing device for the omnibus episodes. I don't count the Lockdown specials, Attack of the Graske, TARDISodes or the Blu-ray shorts as "canon" either. There's quite a few elements in Tales of the TARDIS that I do not like or agree with so I'm quite happy to pretend that they're not really canon until they come into the main show.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 15, 2023 0:59:19 GMT
Well, we have the origin of the new ramp.
And Benjamin Cook confirms it.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 15, 2023 11:16:57 GMT
Tales Of The TARDIS isn't part of the show? It's Doctor Who eps presented by the BBC and produced by the current production team with their licenced characters. It....happened. It's not like a throwaway line on eps of Unleashed that you could chalk up as "supplementary material". As I said - it doesn't really matter if anyone likes it or not - he just put the idea out there and can pick it up if he likes, or not. Like The Timeless Child it leaves doors that can either be opened or moved passed. Not to me. It's more of a framing device for the omnibus episodes. I don't count the Lockdown specials, Attack of the Graske, TARDISodes or the Blu-ray shorts as "canon" either. There's quite a few elements in Tales of the TARDIS that I do not like or agree with so I'm quite happy to pretend that they're not really canon until they come into the main show. I enjoyed them but I agree with you, Tales of the TARDIS IS supplementary material just like the in-character extras in the Blu-Rays. It is in-character framing devices for re-edited shorter versions of Classic Who only available in the UK & (currently) the Memory TARDIS or those events have not been mentioned in the show.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 15, 2023 22:02:28 GMT
On rewatch, this episode sat much better with me. It’s fairly classic RTD where his stories make more emotional sense than plot specific sense.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 18, 2023 16:57:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 17:00:51 GMT
Very enjoyable episode, not too sure about the bi-regeneration stuff.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Dec 21, 2023 10:56:43 GMT
I just remembered that Disney made a movie in the 90s, with a Doctor (Paul McGann) playing two characters: Three Musketeers.
Guess the Mouse did forsee bigeneration after all!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 13:04:17 GMT
I just remembered that Disney made a movie in the 90s, with a Doctor (Paul McGann) playing two characters: Three Musketeers. Guess the Mouse did forsee bigeneration after all! McGann's also in the BBC Musketeers - multiverse confirmed.
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Post by theillusiveman on Dec 29, 2023 9:35:54 GMT
Well out of all the 60th Annivesary Specials The Giggle was probarly the most enjoyable of them
Neal Patrick Harris was amazing as The Celestial Toymaker and with the exception of the terrible german accent was one of the highlights The visuals were pretty decent The Toymakers Realm sequences were nicely done with the horror undertone Ncuti Gatwa did a servicable job though some lines were utter cringe but was better than i thought he would be Was great to see Mel agian The Toymaker Dance scene was pretty funny David Tennant does a decent job in his "swansong"
now to the negatives:
The Whole chaos sequence of the world are undercooked and kinda forgotten by in the second half of the episode some cringe dialogue and scenes making Trinity Wells into a Alex Jones parody is overdone and stupid The Bi Regeneration makes no logical sense and is pretty dumb its basically a metacrisis regeneration and feels like RTD copied the army of darkness sequence alot of recycling of RTD's first era 14's Retirement is kinda meh
all in all i give the episode a 6.5 out of 10
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Post by mark687 on Jan 2, 2024 20:58:52 GMT
Interesting
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Post by mark687 on Feb 1, 2024 17:01:06 GMT
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