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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 23:32:31 GMT
 I delete the dumb idents, with that at the start, honestly unless it's a guest saying it. The music sounds like it's from a toilet air freshener advert and Nick doing his posh voice....no. Not today, thank you. |
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Post by number13 on Nov 30, 2023 23:38:39 GMT
And yes, it did used to feel more like a club and we just paid our dues like any club. Not - as naive as it seems to some probably - customer and company. To more recent listeners, I bet all this talk of christmas cards, signed CDs and scripts is completely foreign, so different is the BF to fan relationship now. Those were the days when the Big Finish tag-line was subscribers get more, now it's for the love of stories... which is not quite the same thing. But times change and businesses grow.
This chat has given me such a warm glow of nostalgia I have just pre-ordered the Sontarans v Rutans bundle!  It's made me feel nostalgic and I wasn't even aware of BF back then! Different times.
One thing I'll say for the new tagline, Dan Starkey's Strax reading of it on 'Planetoid 50' was very possibly the best thing about 'Once and Future'.  I burst out laughing and it set up the mood of the episode perfectly. |
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Post by number13 on Dec 20, 2023 17:24:11 GMT
I'm not sure where is the best place to post this, but on some forums the mods check IP addresses to spot people who, in their enormous enthusiam to join the forum, accidentally create multiple accounts.
And then accidentally log in with different ones of those accounts at different times. It must be very confusing for them, so the helpful mods delete the accidentally duplicated accounts which, like the Monk, can cause confusion by allowing one being to appear with different faces but a single intent.
EDIT: I might just as well have said 'The Doctor' but for some reason the Monk came to mind first.
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Post by bonehead on Dec 20, 2023 18:13:05 GMT
I'm not sure where is the best place to post this, but on some forums the mods check IP addresses to spot people who, in their enormous enthusiam to join the forum, accidentally create multiple accounts.
And then accidentally log in with different ones of those accounts at different times. It must be very confusing for them, so the helpful mods delete the accidentally duplicated accounts which, like the Monk, can cause confusion by allowing one being to appear with different faces but a single intent.
EDIT: I might just as well have said 'The Doctor' but for some reason the Monk came to mind first.
This is more intriguing than a sleepover at the Panopticon! |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Dec 20, 2023 19:15:13 GMT
I'm not sure where is the best place to post this, but on some forums the mods check IP addresses to spot people who, in their enormous enthusiam to join the forum, accidentally create multiple accounts.
And then accidentally log in with different ones of those accounts at different times. It must be very confusing for them, so the helpful mods delete the accidentally duplicated accounts which, like the Monk, can cause confusion by allowing one being to appear with different faces but a single intent.
EDIT: I might just as well have said 'The Doctor' but for some reason the Monk came to mind first.
Yes.. IP Addresses are checked amongst other things.
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Post by number13 on Dec 20, 2023 21:44:25 GMT
I'm not sure where is the best place to post this, but on some forums the mods check IP addresses to spot people who, in their enormous enthusiam to join the forum, accidentally create multiple accounts.
And then accidentally log in with different ones of those accounts at different times. It must be very confusing for them, so the helpful mods delete the accidentally duplicated accounts which, like the Monk, can cause confusion by allowing one being to appear with different faces but a single intent.
EDIT: I might just as well have said 'The Doctor' but for some reason the Monk came to mind first.
Yes.. IP Addresses are checked amongst other things.
Thank you! Then I will assume we are Monk-free, for now. Possibly despite appearances.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 1:03:37 GMT
A thread like this exists...then "well, report to mods" when our member with more faces than Big Ben causes the usual nonsense. I wonder why people haven't used that when one of the only times we've heard from mods on an official level is this "leave us alone" stuff....
Whomever JohnHurtDoctor is pretending to be on his latest burner account, he's only here to annoy people. And the "it's Christmas...be nice" nonsense doesn't wash - he was using the different accounts on Christmas to rip the absoolute proverbial out of those who don't seem to see the obvious. We've all seen that this is the same person - JHD, HeWhoWaits, TimlessChild, TheOther and probably one I've forgotten. Yet nothing is done. Ever. Mark's called it out, Number 13 has, I have, Star Platinum has, Stevo has, Timelord has and even more in PMs. I wonder why we all seem to see it and the mods who locked the thread don't?
"No-one has a monopoly on thread making" - you think he wanted to help the community? He made a series of threads SUPER EARLY because he'd just had a run-in with Mark so did something he knew - as a good troll does - isn't breaking a rule, but is 100% passive agressive anyway. He made threads he knew Mark was going to make in due course, because Mark does, and he made them as early as he could just to annoy Mark more. It's not about "That's Mark's job". It's about "You did that JUST to annoy Mark, you sad, sad person". See the wood for the trees, for goodness' sake.
If the mods were about and active enough to see this? They may recognise the behaviour. He's been a filthy stench since the old forum. We shouldn't have to block multiple accounts for the same person - especially when all that does is give him right of reply to anything we say unanswered. I've never been on a forum where doing this burner account nonsense - just to keep spreading dislike - is tolerated. EVERY account should be banned. He's a blight, a nasty piece of work and an impediment to the community.
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Post by number13 on Dec 28, 2023 1:28:10 GMT
Well said Davy.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 28, 2023 1:29:39 GMT
A thread like this exists...then "well, report to mods" when our member with more faces than Big Ben causes the usual nonsense. I wonder why people haven't used that when one of the only times we've heard from mods on an official level is this "leave us alone" stuff.... Whomever JohnHurtDoctor is pretending to be on his latest burner account, he's only here to annoy people. And the "it's Christmas...be nice" nonsense doesn't wash - he was using the different accounts on Christmas to rip the absoolute proverbial out of those who don't seem to see the obvious. We've all seen that this is the same person - JHD, HeWhoWaits, TimlessChild, TheOther and probably one I've forgotten. Yet nothing is done. Ever. Mark's called it out, Number 13 has, I have, Star Platinum has, Stevo has, Timelord has and even more in PMs. I wonder why we all seem to see it and the mods who locked the thread don't? "No-one has a monopoly on thread making" - you think he wanted to help the community? He made a series of threads SUPER EARLY because he'd just had a run-in with Mark so did something he knew - as a good troll does - isn't breaking a rule, but is 100% passive agressive anyway. He made threads he knew Mark was going to make in due course, because Mark does, and he made them as early as he could just to annoy Mark more. It's not about "That's Mark's job". It's about "You did that JUST to annoy Mark, you sad, sad person". See the wood for the trees, for goodness' sake. If the mods were about and active enough to see this? They may recognise the behaviour. He's been a filthy stench since the old forum. We shouldn't have to block multiple accounts for the same person - especially when all that does is give him right of reply to anything we say unanswered. I've never been on a forum where doing this burner account nonsense - just to keep spreading dislike - is tolerated. EVERY account should be banned. He's a blight, a nasty piece of work and an impediment to the community. Appreciative of the Support but we are apparently in the wrong for these responses, I await a clear Mod response as to why the Member isn't just Trolling and that raising concern about their tone of response doesn't apparently help the issue. Regards mark687 |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 28, 2023 2:04:44 GMT
A thread like this exists...then "well, report to mods" when our member with more faces than Big Ben causes the usual nonsense. I wonder why people haven't used that when one of the only times we've heard from mods on an official level is this "leave us alone" stuff.... Whomever JohnHurtDoctor is pretending to be on his latest burner account, he's only here to annoy people. And the "it's Christmas...be nice" nonsense doesn't wash - he was using the different accounts on Christmas to rip the absoolute proverbial out of those who don't seem to see the obvious. We've all seen that this is the same person - JHD, HeWhoWaits, TimlessChild, TheOther and probably one I've forgotten. Yet nothing is done. Ever. Mark's called it out, Number 13 has, I have, Star Platinum has, Stevo has, Timelord has and even more in PMs. I wonder why we all seem to see it and the mods who locked the thread don't? "No-one has a monopoly on thread making" - you think he wanted to help the community? He made a series of threads SUPER EARLY because he'd just had a run-in with Mark so did something he knew - as a good troll does - isn't breaking a rule, but is 100% passive agressive anyway. He made threads he knew Mark was going to make in due course, because Mark does, and he made them as early as he could just to annoy Mark more. It's not about "That's Mark's job". It's about "You did that JUST to annoy Mark, you sad, sad person". See the wood for the trees, for goodness' sake. If the mods were about and active enough to see this? They may recognise the behaviour. He's been a filthy stench since the old forum. We shouldn't have to block multiple accounts for the same person - especially when all that does is give him right of reply to anything we say unanswered. I've never been on a forum where doing this burner account nonsense - just to keep spreading dislike - is tolerated. EVERY account should be banned. He's a blight, a nasty piece of work and an impediment to the community. Appreciative of the Support but we are apparently in the wrong for these responses, I await a clear Mod response as to why the Member isn't just Trolling and that raising concern about their tone of response doesn't apparently help the issue. Regards mark687 The mod response to this is, well, disappointing if not unexpected. One or two people using multiple accounts can troll all they want but because they have gamed the system to stay just within the lines its all okay but the majority of regular contributors who have stuck around have the audacity to ask the mods to climb out of that rulebook of their own making and use their judgment? Well, can’t have that can we? We’re the problem. Got it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 8:27:51 GMT
Yeah, I have to chime in here too as I do think the mods have been caught napping a bit of late and have been slow to react on this issue, it is clear that one person here is using multiple accounts and seems to be allowed to carry on regardless. Carry on as in trolling and deliberately annoying other members. I'm not one for reporting posts or secret chats, so I'll stand behind any opinion I post publicly. This has been allowed to go on for far too long and this issue should have been nipped in the bud long ago. It is the holiday period so I accept that the moderators are having family time but at some stage somebody has to uphold the forum T&C's re multiple accounts... or why not just let everybody create duplicate accounts for trolling then? Why is one person being given special treatment? Do we want this place to become as toxic as GB used to be?
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Post by timleschild on Dec 28, 2023 8:37:50 GMT
A thread like this exists...then "well, report to mods" when our member with more faces than Big Ben causes the usual nonsense. I wonder why people haven't used that when one of the only times we've heard from mods on an official level is this "leave us alone" stuff.... Whomever JohnHurtDoctor is pretending to be on his latest burner account, he's only here to annoy people. And the "it's Christmas...be nice" nonsense doesn't wash - he was using the different accounts on Christmas to rip the absoolute proverbial out of those who don't seem to see the obvious. We've all seen that this is the same person - JHD, HeWhoWaits, TimlessChild, TheOther and probably one I've forgotten. Yet nothing is done. Ever. Mark's called it out, Number 13 has, I have, Star Platinum has, Stevo has, Timelord has and even more in PMs. I wonder why we all seem to see it and the mods who locked the thread don't? "No-one has a monopoly on thread making" - you think he wanted to help the community? He made a series of threads SUPER EARLY because he'd just had a run-in with Mark so did something he knew - as a good troll does - isn't breaking a rule, but is 100% passive agressive anyway. He made threads he knew Mark was going to make in due course, because Mark does, and he made them as early as he could just to annoy Mark more. It's not about "That's Mark's job". It's about "You did that JUST to annoy Mark, you sad, sad person". See the wood for the trees, for goodness' sake. If the mods were about and active enough to see this? They may recognise the behaviour. He's been a filthy stench since the old forum. We shouldn't have to block multiple accounts for the same person - especially when all that does is give him right of reply to anything we say unanswered. I've never been on a forum where doing this burner account nonsense - just to keep spreading dislike - is tolerated. EVERY account should be banned. He's a blight, a nasty piece of work and an impediment to the community. You need to calm down. You've been told not to make these accusations public. You are now bullying me. You are making dearramged claims about me. You are coming across like someone obsessed with me. I'm apparently creating threads to annoy another person? What planet are you on? What is wrong with you? Mods please do something. I am being bullied. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 9:03:17 GMT
The mods have said they're investigating, so I suggest we give them time to discuss what is quite a complex situation.
Clearly the standard response if you dislike someone's posts is to block them. If you then cannot see a thread they create, resulting in duplicates of things like the monthly release anticipation threads, then that person has successfully identified a big hole in the block approach, as members who try to block that user will find themselves locked out of much of the forum discussion.
Personally I would hope that everyone could just ignore behaviour they don't like. We shouldn't even need to block people, just agree to disagree. Yes, creating a thread that everyone knew Mark687 would otherwise create is a bit impolite, but on the other hand, Mark687 contributes so much already there's no reason why someone shouldn't take that one over. And actually the thread got a lot of engagement from people, so it arguably wasn't too early.
I don't know the answer here (and I know at least half a dozen people will tell me there's a very simple answer, please resist the temptation, it really won't help calm things down).
If however someone can be established beyond reasonable doubt to have been creating multiple accounts to get round bans or suspensions, then this is a clear rule breach and should be dealt with harshly. It will take some digging and discussion, so let's all take a step back and let the mods do their (unpaid and very difficult) job.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 28, 2023 9:25:12 GMT
The mods have said they're investigating, so I suggest we give them time to discuss what is quite a complex situation. Clearly the standard response if you dislike someone's posts is to block them. If you then cannot see a thread they create, resulting in duplicates of things like the monthly release anticipation threads, then that person has successfully identified a big hole in the block approach, as members who try to block that user will find themselves locked out of much of the forum discussion. Personally I would hope that everyone could just ignore behaviour they don't like. We shouldn't even need to block people, just agree to disagree. Yes, creating a thread that everyone knew Mark687 would otherwise create is a bit impolite, but on the other hand, Mark687 contributes so much already there's no reason why someone shouldn't take that one over. And actually the thread got a lot of engagement from people, so it arguably wasn't too early. I don't know the answer here (and I know at least half a dozen people will tell me there's a very simple answer, please resist the temptation, it really won't help calm things down). If however someone can be established beyond reasonable doubt to have been creating multiple accounts to get round bans or suspensions, then this is a clear rule breach and should be dealt with harshly. It will take some digging and discussion, so let's all take a step back and let the mods do their (unpaid and very difficult) job. You always speak common sense & put things so much better than I could |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 28, 2023 12:54:38 GMT
The mods have said they're investigating, so I suggest we give them time to discuss what is quite a complex situation. Clearly the standard response if you dislike someone's posts is to block them. If you then cannot see a thread they create, resulting in duplicates of things like the monthly release anticipation threads, then that person has successfully identified a big hole in the block approach, as members who try to block that user will find themselves locked out of much of the forum discussion. Personally I would hope that everyone could just ignore behaviour they don't like. We shouldn't even need to block people, just agree to disagree. Yes, creating a thread that everyone knew Mark687 would otherwise create is a bit impolite, but on the other hand, Mark687 contributes so much already there's no reason why someone shouldn't take that one over. And actually the thread got a lot of engagement from people, so it arguably wasn't too early. I don't know the answer here (and I know at least half a dozen people will tell me there's a very simple answer, please resist the temptation, it really won't help calm things down). If however someone can be established beyond reasonable doubt to have been creating multiple accounts to get round bans or suspensions, then this is a clear rule breach and should be dealt with harshly. It will take some digging and discussion, so let's all take a step back and let the mods do their (unpaid and very difficult) job.This isn’t a court of a law. There is no burden of proof to meet. The mods have quite literally written the rules. They are able to act pretty quickly if they want to. Healthy & active boards I’ve been a member of and moderated in the past have a healthy & active moderation team. A good mod team is kind of like a medical team. They read and they spot anomalies. The mod team kicks in and issues private alerts and warnings. If the anomalies become worse, more drastic action takes place. Do it long enough and the problems become evident pretty quickly. And when you have banned or suspended members coming back with different screen names, well, those become super easy to spot because they can’t help themselves. Those should be instant bans. Your “solution” of us just blocking people doesn’t solve the problem. It only rewards the troll and makes it easier for them to continue what they are doing. And we aren’t talking about people taking a contrarian opinion in a discussion. An exchange of ideas & opinions that clash is a good thing. We’re talking about trolling and people who don’t contribute anything except negativity & acrimony. The ideas at the founding this board being a more tolerant place was laudable, and so it remains until those few people come around who chose to take advantage of that kind of free space. Ignoring, refusing to engage or blocking the problems should not be the responsibility of the community who come here wanting to discus things they love in good faith. Again, that rewards the troll(s). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 14:05:53 GMT
The mods have said they're investigating, so I suggest we give them time to discuss what is quite a complex situation. Clearly the standard response if you dislike someone's posts is to block them. If you then cannot see a thread they create, resulting in duplicates of things like the monthly release anticipation threads, then that person has successfully identified a big hole in the block approach, as members who try to block that user will find themselves locked out of much of the forum discussion. Personally I would hope that everyone could just ignore behaviour they don't like. We shouldn't even need to block people, just agree to disagree. Yes, creating a thread that everyone knew Mark687 would otherwise create is a bit impolite, but on the other hand, Mark687 contributes so much already there's no reason why someone shouldn't take that one over. And actually the thread got a lot of engagement from people, so it arguably wasn't too early. I don't know the answer here (and I know at least half a dozen people will tell me there's a very simple answer, please resist the temptation, it really won't help calm things down). If however someone can be established beyond reasonable doubt to have been creating multiple accounts to get round bans or suspensions, then this is a clear rule breach and should be dealt with harshly. It will take some digging and discussion, so let's all take a step back and let the mods do their (unpaid and very difficult) job.This isn’t a court of a law. There is no burden of proof to meet. The mods have quite literally written the rules. They are able to act pretty quickly if they want to. Healthy & active boards I’ve been a member of and moderated in the past have a healthy & active moderation team. A good mod team is kind of like a medical team. They read and they spot anomalies. The mod team kicks in and issues private alerts and warnings. If the anomalies become worse, more drastic action takes place. Do it long enough and the problems become evident pretty quickly. And when you have banned or suspended members coming back with different screen names, well, those become super easy to spot because they can’t help themselves. Those should be instant bans. Your “solution” of us just blocking people doesn’t solve the problem. It only rewards the troll and makes it easier for them to continue what they are doing. And we aren’t talking about people taking a contrarian opinion in a discussion. An exchange of ideas & opinions that clash is a good thing. We’re talking about trolling and people who don’t contribute anything except negativity & acrimony. The ideas at the founding this board being a more tolerant place was laudable, and so it remains until those few people come around who chose to take advantage of that kind of free space. Ignoring, refusing to engage or blocking the problems should not be the responsibility of the community who come here wanting to discus things they love in good faith. Again, that rewards the troll(s). To be clear, in this post I didn't advocate blocking users, I was saying that became flawed as an option when it meant people becoming unaware of new threads that the rest of the community were actively participating in |
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Post by bonehead on Dec 28, 2023 14:29:09 GMT
Go on then, let's wade in to this. For a poster who is always more than willing to remind others of the rules when reading a comment he doesn't like, it's telling that you-know-who doesn't mind creating multiple accounts and then vehemently denying it. When timeleschild first appeared, I asked him if he used to post as johnhurtdoctor as his style was very similar. Response? Simply, 'no.' When I asked the exact same question to our friend hewhowaits, the reponse was - guess what? - 'no.' Both standard johnhurtdoctor responses to things he didn't like. Why bother disguising it? He knows the mods won't/can't do anything. As long he goes through the motions of denying it, well, what can anyone do?
There's a pattern as I see it. People tolerate the relentless, grinding negativity for so long. Then it gets too much for some and an exasperated post is contributed, which gets the attention of all the other posters who are similarly exasperated. Bit of an argument follows. Nothing changes, other than johnhurtdoctor virtually being given carte blanche to continue. Which he does, so things settle again and the cycle begins again. This must make him very happy. Well, it would, wouldn't it?
But this has been going on for years. And to give him his due - he's brilliant at what he does. Following a heavily sarcastic 'hahahahahahahahaha' post when someone cracks a joke, with an informative twitter post or something, ensures he's just within the rules. After a few vindictive posts to certain people he clearly has some beef with, we're then subjected to a series of 'I'm being bullied' and 'leave me alone'. Classic bully mentality. The aggressor becomes the victim. It continues. It goes on. People have left this forum in droves because of this, really good posters who I still miss. But it continues. It goes on.
Here's one for the mods. All the recent reports that they have seen fit to make public - who do they involve? Which poster is always named, or featured in these complaints? Naturally I've not seen the reports, but I'll lay serious money on who is the common link.
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Post by Ela on Dec 29, 2023 4:14:06 GMT
I just want to close out this thread by stating the moderators read every report and discuss it among ourselves. As stated in the original post, most "reported items...amount to disagreements with what was posted, and have in no way violated rules." As we have said in the past, we do not routinely publicly discuss who was reported and what action was taken, but we do take action when necessary.
*** We do not want to create a precedent in which a forum member is banned just because a few active posters - by no means a majority of the forum users - decide that they don't like how that person posts or that they are sure the poster is a reincarnation of a former banned forum member. We look carefully at new member applications and reject those applications that seem suspicious or come from a clearly throwaway email address or domain. *** We are all volunteer moderators with personal lives, families, and jobs to attend to, so action may not be taken as soon as you'd like, but rest assured that action is taken when warranted. I hope we can go back to enjoying our discussions here. If you have suspicions or questions about a forum member, in future please contact the moderators via the report function or PM. Disrespecting other forum members and disruptive behavior are contrary to the rules of this forum. And, yes, we moderators made the rules. We made them after examining rules of other forums we like or have been involved with and after careful consideration of what tone we'd like to set in this forum. We'd like this to be a friendly space where we can all enjoy discussing Doctor Who, Big Finish, and other fandoms without fear of being attacked or belittled for our opinions and the way we post. Thanks for reading. ~Ela, on behalf of the moderation team |
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Post by Ela on Dec 29, 2023 16:58:01 GMT
I find I have one last remark: The way a few forum members are dealing with recent happenings on the forum is not the right way to do it.
I also want to clarify that Davy has not been banned. He has been given a temporary vacation from the forum.
I hope everyone can step back and take a breath and reconsider how you are handling this.
Thanks.
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I burst out laughing and it set up the mood of the episode perfectly.
