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Post by dorney on Jun 3, 2024 12:47:13 GMT
In fairness, how many times have BF said that ![:wall](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/WFN8rfK5DOw5688L2a4D.gif) Well, if you’re going to decide I don’t mean anything I say, interacting does seem a little pointless.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 3, 2024 13:14:50 GMT
In fairness, how many times have BF said that ![:wall](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/WFN8rfK5DOw5688L2a4D.gif) Well, if you’re going to decide I don’t mean anything I say, interacting does seem a little pointless. When did I say you don't mean anything you say? Merely pointing out that this has been said many times before so it is difficult to go with it being said again. Past experience informs.
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Post by dorney on Jun 3, 2024 13:20:19 GMT
Well, if you’re going to decide I don’t mean anything I say, interacting does seem a little pointless. When did I say you don't mean anything you say? Merely pointing out that this has been said many times before so it is difficult to go with it being said again. Past experience informs. It is, at the very least, being distrustful of my word. Anyway, these are writer-led, they are largely standalone and there are very good reasons why this one is sort of a coda. Not sure what else I can say.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 3, 2024 13:40:41 GMT
When did I say you don't mean anything you say? Merely pointing out that this has been said many times before so it is difficult to go with it being said again. Past experience informs. It is, at the very least, being distrustful of my word. Anyway, these are writer-led, they are largely standalone and there are very good reasons why this one is sort of a coda. Not sure what else I can say. OK, I don't think it can be helped given that BF has made this claim before & it has not turned out to be strictly true. Strange to have a coda released before the rest. I love Morbius, I guess I was hoping for more of that in the range rather than what seems to be a familiar gathering of disparate characters into a big epic boxset. But I admit I must be in the minority or BF wouldn't do it.
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Post by dorney on Jun 3, 2024 14:07:42 GMT
It is, at the very least, being distrustful of my word. Anyway, these are writer-led, they are largely standalone and there are very good reasons why this one is sort of a coda. Not sure what else I can say. OK, I don't think it can be helped given that BF has made this claim before & it has not turned out to be strictly true. Strange to have a coda released before the rest. I love Morbius, I guess I was hoping for more of that in the range rather than what seems to be a familiar gathering of disparate characters into a big epic boxset. But I admit I must be in the minority or BF wouldn't do it. I think if you liked Morbius for its creativity and writer-led vision you’ll like War Master too. And hopefully the rest of Dark Gallifrey.
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Post by number13 on Jun 3, 2024 14:35:33 GMT
In fairness, how many times have BF said that ![:wall](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/WFN8rfK5DOw5688L2a4D.gif) Well, if you’re going to decide I don’t mean anything I say, interacting does seem a little pointless. In my opinion interacting with 'a certain poster' is more than a little pointless.
Thanks for taking the time to visit us, read our chatter, and actually reply. Most of us really appreciate it.
I'm looking forward to seeing where 'Dark Gallifrey' goes over the rest of the run. From what we've seen and learned so far, it might go anywhere and I like that unpredictability.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 3, 2024 14:57:50 GMT
Well, if you’re going to decide I don’t mean anything I say, interacting does seem a little pointless. In my opinion interacting with 'a certain poster' is more than a little pointless.
Thanks for taking the time to visit us, read our chatter, and actually reply. Most of us really appreciate it. Not pointless at all. Also not sure why you said Most like that?
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Post by 20fridge on Jun 3, 2024 16:34:45 GMT
I might be in the minority, but I think Big Finish has done an okay job with "shopping list" approach stories. Some are pretty weak, but some are actually really good. For me, the only Once and Future stories that didn't work were Past Lives and Timelord Immemorial. Heck, on paper Two's Company should be a train wreak, but I thought that Jackie Tyler and Lady Christina were a thematically appropriate combination for the story. I expect that the combinations in the War Master arc will be very much the same. People who thematically make sense for the story being told. Especially since I could see all the characters featured easily having a solo story with them seeking Dark Gallifrey. So, the combination may be a natural fit for a story about people competing to get to a legendary destination.
I do find it strange that, so far, Morbius' connection to Dark Gallifrey is unclear. But, then, the next set very clearly and directly connects to Dark Gallifrey. I figured whatever Dark Gallifrey was, it would either be explicit and obvious from the start, or be slowly revealed. now, I'm really curious to see where this is going.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Jun 3, 2024 20:13:35 GMT
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 3, 2024 21:06:25 GMT
WWWWWAAAAAAARRRRRNNNNNNNEEEERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!! yeessss!!!! I'd like to be excited but he sounded so ill on Once And Future I don't think many would have known it was him out of context. Made me sad more than happy to have something left from him. The BF Facebook page says it was recorded before Once and Future (and possibly therefore before Blood and Steel).
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 3, 2024 21:10:01 GMT
It’s amazing. ILOVE the idea. It’s like a kid ferreting through a toy box right before a holiday and taking the first things they lay their hands on and creating a great big imaginary storyline with a Barbie, a handful of space marines, a Pokemon (Lapras to be precise), three GI joes (one of whom is missing his legs) and some glitter.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 4, 2024 1:34:56 GMT
It’s amazing. ILOVE the idea. It’s like a kid ferreting through a toy box right before a holiday and taking the first things they lay their hands on and creating a great big imaginary storyline with a Barbie, a handful of space marines, a Pokemon (Lapras to be precise), three GI joes (one of whom is missing his legs) and some glitter. So basically kids doing fanfic.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 4, 2024 4:54:08 GMT
It’s amazing. ILOVE the idea. It’s like a kid ferreting through a toy box right before a holiday and taking the first things they lay their hands on and creating a great big imaginary storyline with a Barbie, a handful of space marines, a Pokemon (Lapras to be precise), three GI joes (one of whom is missing his legs) and some glitter. So basically kids doing fanfic. And? So?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 6:34:58 GMT
If they think Once And Future or Last Day were bullseye? Luke Littler has nothing to worry about...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2024 6:46:21 GMT
"Writer led" really does have a meaning that is being distorted. To be told by two separate people about all the different elements to include and then claim the writer is the leading voice is just not how the creative arts work. I've not written audios but have written comics and when told to include half a dozen things before you get to inject your first idea is just not "leading". Imagine being told that a chef designed a menu....then it turns out the owner actually dictated exactly what ingredients to use.
And, yes, BF HAVE been fibbers at best over "good jumping on points" and "accessible to newbies". Last Day was called accessible to newbies in Vortex - it was barely coherent to veterans.
I've no idea why people pile on TimelessChild - maybe because he repeats himself? But whatever I'm missing - he's not that wide of the mark objectively sometimes, and subjective feelings seem to have some posters thinking whatever he says must be wrong, or ignored.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jun 4, 2024 7:39:31 GMT
It’s amazing. ILOVE the idea. It’s like a kid ferreting through a toy box right before a holiday and taking the first things they lay their hands on and creating a great big imaginary storyline with a Barbie, a handful of space marines, a Pokemon (Lapras to be precise), three GI joes (one of whom is missing his legs) and some glitter. So basically kids doing fanfic. “So, for the 50th anniversary … we’re gonna have A S3CRET D9CTOR! and have him played by SIR JOHN HURT! the tenth Doctor!s gonna get married to Queen Elizabeth the first, the eleventh Doctor will dangle off the bottom the TARDIS as it’s flown over London, and OMG Clara is like a teacher but get this … at COAL HILL SCHOOL!” Reduces a story about grief, rage and acceptance, imposter syndrome, the culmination of 10 years of plot and s9 forth into “basically kids doing fanfic”.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 4, 2024 9:01:03 GMT
So basically kids doing fanfic. “So, for the 50th anniversary … we’re gonna have A S3CRET D9CTOR! and have him played by SIR JOHN HURT! the tenth Doctor!s gonna get married to Queen Elizabeth the first, the eleventh Doctor will dangle off the bottom the TARDIS as it’s flown over London, and OMG Clara is like a teacher but get this … at COAL HILL SCHOOL!” Reduces a story about grief, rage and acceptance, imposter syndrome, the culmination of 10 years of plot and s9 forth into “basically kids doing fanfic”. Yep, that's what you do in an anniversary special. Not repeatedly as BF appear to do. It loses its impact & appeal for me when putting characters together in an epic adventure has been done a lot. But obviously this is what the majority of fans want or BF wouldn't keep doing it.
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Post by dorney on Jun 4, 2024 9:04:15 GMT
"Writer led" really does have a meaning that is being distorted. To be told by two separate people about all the different elements to include and then claim the writer is the leading voice is just not how the creative arts work. I've not written audios but have written comics and when told to include half a dozen things before you get to inject your first idea is just not "leading". Imagine being told that a chef designed a menu....then it turns out the owner actually dictated exactly what ingredients to use. And, yes, BF HAVE been fibbers at best over "good jumping on points" and "accessible to newbies". Last Day was called accessible to newbies in Vortex - it was barely coherent to veterans. I've no idea why people pile on TimelessChild - maybe because he repeats himself? But whatever I'm missing - he's not that wide of the mark objectively sometimes, and subjective feelings seem to have some posters thinking whatever he says must be wrong, or ignored. Few things to note in reply - I still 100% believe this (and the rest of Dark Gallifrey) are ‘writer led’. As I noted earlier it’s kind of hard to explain why in this case without covering production stuff I’m not really at liberty to discuss. But I still say it’s true. And nobody has mentioned ‘good jumping on points’ or ‘accessible to newbies’. Specifically here it was ‘standalone’. And I 100% believe that too. These things can be, I’ll admit, somewhat in the eye of the beholder (I still think you can listen to In Name Only without hearing any other SvR stories but I know others here disagree). Or sometimes misquotes. But that doesn’t make them ‘fibs’.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 4, 2024 9:08:12 GMT
"Writer led" really does have a meaning that is being distorted. To be told by two separate people about all the different elements to include and then claim the writer is the leading voice is just not how the creative arts work. I've not written audios but have written comics and when told to include half a dozen things before you get to inject your first idea is just not "leading". Imagine being told that a chef designed a menu....then it turns out the owner actually dictated exactly what ingredients to use. I agree. & for me its a bit of a let down after Morbius, which felt like something fresh for BF. A tale set in the distant past of Gallifrey, a whole new world to explore. Still unsure about how the 4th Doctor will fit in & personally I would have preferred it to be a Doctor free zone, but maybe the story will warrant it. I have faith in Tim Foley. But for this release, the idea seems tired.
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 4, 2024 10:13:42 GMT
"Writer led" really does have a meaning that is being distorted. To be told by two separate people about all the different elements to include and then claim the writer is the leading voice is just not how the creative arts work. I've not written audios but have written comics and when told to include half a dozen things before you get to inject your first idea is just not "leading". Imagine being told that a chef designed a menu....then it turns out the owner actually dictated exactly what ingredients to use. And, yes, BF HAVE been fibbers at best over "good jumping on points" and "accessible to newbies". Last Day was called accessible to newbies in Vortex - it was barely coherent to veterans. I've no idea why people pile on TimelessChild - maybe because he repeats himself? But whatever I'm missing - he's not that wide of the mark objectively sometimes, and subjective feelings seem to have some posters thinking whatever he says must be wrong, or ignored. Few things to note in reply - I still 100% believe this (and the rest of Dark Gallifrey) are ‘writer led’. As I noted earlier it’s kind of hard to explain why in this case without covering production stuff I’m not really at liberty to discuss. But I still say it’s true. And nobody has mentioned ‘good jumping on points’ or ‘accessible to newbies’. Specifically here it was ‘standalone’. And I 100% believe that too. These things can be, I’ll admit, somewhat in the eye of the beholder (I still think you can listen to In Name Only without hearing any other SvR stories but I know others here disagree). Or sometimes misquotes. But that doesn’t make them ‘fibs’. It's great that you post on the forum and interact with us, I just hope the occasional one or two "debates" like this don't put you off.
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