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Post by mark687 on May 1, 2024 14:02:46 GMT
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Post by number13 on May 1, 2024 14:23:33 GMT
This is so exciting - and not a little weird...
Just a couple of days ago I was thinking about 'Philip Hinchcliffe Presents' and what great stories they were and would we ever get any more... and that started me thinking about some of the other producers and directors and I remembered that Douglas Camfield had written several storylines which were never produced (for reasons of scale & budget I think) and I wondered if any of them still existed and if BF might ever do a 'Douglas Camfield Presents'...
And here we are!
He was one of the very best, probably the best director of classic Who action stories, we've all heard about his interest in military history from the DVD features - and 'Operation Werewolf' sounds like a cracker for the Second Doctor, Jamie and Zoe.
It goes without saying that the original version of 'The Three Doctors', with that cast, is about the biggest 10th birthday cake BF could serve. 51 years late, but who cares?  |
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Post by shallacatop on May 1, 2024 14:27:14 GMT
The stories themselves sound good. Didn’t know very much about the original Three Doctors at all until the news article, and Operation Werewolf sounds a corker.
These will really hinge on the leads playing the Doctor, I think. Treloar had his blip but has hit his stride again in the last couple of years, so don’t think that’ll be an issue. Noonan and Troughton, however, just aren’t bringing it, at least not to my ears. Made worse by Frazer playing opposite the latter in every outing so far. They’ll need a complete 180 to make this work.
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Post by muddyviolet on May 1, 2024 15:12:19 GMT
Turns out Deathworld has been in planning for almost 4 years now! I wonder how long the average range takes? Guessing lost stories take longer due to rights issues.
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Post by sherlock on May 1, 2024 15:19:25 GMT
I can’t not buy a Who story where the premise is around a literal chess match with Death. That’s way too mad a concept to pass up on.
Operation Werewolf may tempts as it’s an potentially ripe setting (can see why that may have been deemed too risky at the time) and having Michael Troughton in a “normal” story as opposed to the 6B format and setting is a novelty.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 15:19:27 GMT
The article says "Deathworld is the epitome of a Lost Story – taking a great idea and being able to fulfil it without the time and budget constraints of when it was pitched for television.”
I actually like The Lost Stories most when they do feel like a TV episode, period sounding score and nothing depicted that clearly wouldn't have been possible on the BBC. It's what makes it a bit more than just another range for me at it's best.
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Post by timleschild on May 1, 2024 15:39:08 GMT
Extremely vague descriptions of what the original stories are, "Baker and Martin submitted the idea for Deathworld in 1972" So was it a full story? Just a synopsis? Same with the other one, "Operation Werewolf, is based on a storyline submitted to the Doctor Who production office in 1967 by Douglas Camfield and Robert Kitts."
The 2nd one sounds like a true lost story, something that never got made while the first one sounds like an idea that changed over time like many stories do.
Both could be interesting I guess but not a fan of Michael Troughton's version of 2nd Doctor nor Noonan.
I will wait for reviews but its nice to have a new story promoted a couple months before release rather than waiting months.
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Post by dorney on May 1, 2024 16:06:05 GMT
Turns out Deathworld has been in planning for almost 4 years now! I wonder how long the average range takes? Guessing lost stories take longer due to rights issues. Longer - bear in mind that scene was written for Return. The tweet is just when I put it online! |
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Post by newt5996 on May 1, 2024 16:30:33 GMT
Extremely vague descriptions of what the original stories are, "Baker and Martin submitted the idea for Deathworld in 1972" So was it a full story? Just a synopsis? Same with the other one, "Operation Werewolf, is based on a storyline submitted to the Doctor Who production office in 1967 by Douglas Camfield and Robert Kitts."
The 2nd one sounds like a true lost story, something that never got made while the first one sounds like an idea that changed over time like many stories do. Both could be interesting I guess but not a fan of Michael Troughton's version of 2nd Doctor nor Noonan. I will wait for reviews but its nice to have a new story promoted a couple months before release rather than waiting months. I believe Deathworld will probably be an amalgam of different versions of Three Doctors largely before Omega was introduced. We do know that the scripts went through several drafts. |
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Post by cwm on May 1, 2024 16:42:32 GMT
If, as the cover implies, Deathworld has the First Doctor in a more active role than being stuck in a time eddy, it's presumably a bit more hypothetical than some other Lost Stories.
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 1, 2024 16:46:36 GMT
Might have to consider these. Interesting, though, that John Culshaw and Frazer Hines are getting top billing on the cover and the only billing on the BF website entry - oh, it's alphabetical order, that's why. (I presume JC isn't playing a future Doctor, though? That would have been an interesting twist if they'd thought of that back in 1972)
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Post by mark687 on May 1, 2024 16:54:34 GMT
Textless Cover for Deathworld
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Post by antartiks on May 1, 2024 17:24:54 GMT
Been a while since I last bought audios from the Lost Stories range since they either seemed bad or too close to the original TV episodes, but I'm curious about Deathworld - which has a gorgeous cover btw - and Operation Werewolf. Deathworld looks quite different from The Three Doctors and Operation Werewolf genuinely seems like a lost TV episode. I'll at least buy Deathworld. I'm glad we're getting lost stories and a new novel adaptation this july.
And also glad that Zoe is back. It's been far too long since the season 6 team last had an adventure together.
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Post by bonehead on May 1, 2024 17:57:38 GMT
I'll be getting these because it will be interesting to hear an earlier version of The Three Doctors, and especially enjoyable to hear the chit-chat between the first three incarnations as originally intended.
The second story is also very welcome, just to hear an 'authentic' Second Doctor story with his celebrated companions as seen on TV. I've not been much sold on the Series 6Bb tag; it seems like an unnecessary extra gimmick to me.
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Post by nardolespinoffwhen on May 1, 2024 20:15:06 GMT
Really excited for DeathWorld. Sounds great, looks great. Be good to hear this group of characters together and the premise sounds cracking!
Warewolf also sounds really great but I sometimes think these 6/7 parters can be a bit to much filler. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on the reviews though.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 1, 2024 20:26:26 GMT
Lost to the mists of time was my fan-fic version of Operation : Werewolf which was a Hogan’s Heroes crossover….
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 2, 2024 7:39:35 GMT
As a general rule I don't collect the 1DA/2DA stories ( I do have them with Lost Stories).. I definitely will buy this boxset.. Look at that artwork!
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Post by number13 on May 2, 2024 8:10:39 GMT
Extremely vague descriptions of what the original stories are, "Baker and Martin submitted the idea for Deathworld in 1972" So was it a full story? Just a synopsis? Same with the other one, "Operation Werewolf, is based on a storyline submitted to the Doctor Who production office in 1967 by Douglas Camfield and Robert Kitts."
The 2nd one sounds like a true lost story, something that never got made while the first one sounds like an idea that changed over time like many stories do. Both could be interesting I guess but not a fan of Michael Troughton's version of 2nd Doctor nor Noonan. I will wait for reviews but its nice to have a new story promoted a couple months before release rather than waiting months. I believe Deathworld will probably be an amalgam of different versions of Three Doctors largely before Omega was introduced. We do know that the scripts went through several drafts. Going by how Terrance Dicks described managing (as script editor) their first story 'The Claws of Axos' from wildly imaginative but completely unaffordable early versions, to the final screen version (which certainly doesn't lack imagination or production challenges!) I would guess there was no shortage of ideas for BF to work their magic on. It's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to it so much; that and the chance to be 9 years old again in the company of a great cast.
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Post by newt5996 on May 2, 2024 15:28:37 GMT
I believe Deathworld will probably be an amalgam of different versions of Three Doctors largely before Omega was introduced. We do know that the scripts went through several drafts. Going by how Terrance Dicks described managing (as script editor) their first story 'The Claws of Axos' from wildly imaginative but completely unaffordable early versions, to the final screen version (which certainly doesn't lack imagination or production challenges!) I would guess there was no shortage of ideas for BF to work their magic on. It's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to it so much; that and the chance to be 9 years old again in the company of a great cast.
(I do hope they've managed to include a giant flying carrot this time... ) I’m fully expecting as much insane imagery that they can muster based on the cover alone. |
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Post by masterdoctor on May 2, 2024 22:01:01 GMT
These are both instant orders for me. Deathworld rightfully is getting a lot of attention, but Operation Werewolf has been a Lost Story I’ve wanted BF to tackle for a long time.
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