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Post by Ian McArdell on Aug 11, 2024 15:17:57 GMT
On the credits track on the CDs, the words "music by Jamie Robertson" have obviously been spliced in from elsewhere, and Ali Bastian is credited as a cast member despite not being billed on the website or the cast list on the booklet - anyone know what's up with this? I spotted that too. A quick google suggested she's the wife of the director David O'Mahony. It was a relatively small role - perhaps she took on the role as a favour? She's also in Torchwood Soho: Ascension.
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Post by Ian McArdell on Aug 11, 2024 16:13:37 GMT
Well I absolutely loved this, knowing very little about the story prior to listening. My take is up at CultBox.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 11, 2024 17:05:23 GMT
Deathworld WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by eric009 on Aug 15, 2024 16:55:34 GMT
31th that what rotton app says
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Post by eric009 on Aug 15, 2024 17:00:55 GMT
Operation Werewolf i got but not on dashborad or app apart from part1 my cds are coming saturday
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Post by IndieMacUser on Aug 16, 2024 8:38:05 GMT
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 16, 2024 11:10:50 GMT
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Post by timleschild on Aug 16, 2024 12:27:14 GMT
Same. I don't have the app Dorney doing BFs work for them?
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Post by mark687 on Aug 16, 2024 14:33:52 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 16, 2024 15:14:37 GMT
Death World
So far into part three it’s a pretty good story, Great concepts, good cast I do feel that some lines are a bit self indulgent/ referential But I’m willing to give it a pass as it’s meant to be for the 60th anniversary
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 16, 2024 21:25:25 GMT
I thought Deathworld was awful. Part 1 was terrible, almost a throwback to The Sirens in Time production wise, but it somehow seemed to get worse as it went on.
All the recasts put in poor performances, even the usually reliable Treloar went back to his caricature performance blip from a few years ago. None of their interactions sparked anything close to the joy of what we’d get on screen. It was an uphill battle, as they’re not *the* originals, but this doesn’t even feel like it’s trying. I think they’ve really stretched the limit in how much a release can cope under recasts.
The dialogue is exposition heavy or distractingly referential. Lots of a character talking out loud to themselves; a cardinal sin of audio.
The sound design left a lot to be desired. A heavy emphasis on echo for no reason or a constant loop of a sound effect. If I’d heard the sounds of walking, eating or drinking once, I’d heard it a hundred times.
Put all of it together and such a visual story doesn’t come to life. I just couldn’t picture anything other than the cast in a recording studio together. At times it descends into a laughable fan production and quite comfortably one of the worst things to have come out from Big Finish to my ears. Lacklustre from every aspect of the production. No wonder they released The Life and Death of River Song so quickly after.
Give me the televised story and its joy, wit and imagination, even if the budgetary restrictions show, any day.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 17, 2024 9:03:13 GMT
Now that i have finished Death World
Pros:
Jon Culshaw, Katy Manning and Frazer Hines were excellent as the Companions Michael Troughton and Tim Trelore did a decent job The Villian and his voice actor were pretty solid The Twist Reveal of the whole story was really well done
Cons: Stephen Noonan's First Doctor Impression was not good almost distracting in parts Some of The Fan Service References were quite on the nose and honestly a bit eye rolling Pacing Issues The Audio contradicts several Big Finish Audios The Ending in regards to how it leads to the other story which was a big mistake
Result: Honestly while its not the worst story we have got from John Dorney its certainly not his best i just think that in the context of being a 60th anniversary audio it works however given that this was released after the 60th it does highlight a lot of the reasons why Big Finish gets criticism for being overindulgent with references and even blantaly contradicting their own audios with stories like The Black Hole
Never the less i think the twist and structure of the story is quite decent and most of the cast are quite good 6/10
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 17, 2024 9:18:10 GMT
Oh god, yeah, the last scene with the Third Doctor is painful, isn’t it? Less on the nose and more broken, bruised and bloodied!
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Post by fitzoliverj on Aug 17, 2024 17:21:38 GMT
I wasn't keen about the big reveal, but other than that, I enjoyed it. Won't win any awards, but it was fun. Personally I might not have taken elements from the broadcast version and then invented earlier drafts for them, but it gives a bit of authenticity.
This is my first extended listen to Steven Noonan, and without the awful screetch that his very first released sample/trailer had, I thought he was pretty good. A touch of Richard Hurndall here and there, but he does the job satisfactorily (although I remain loyal to the Purves and Hines first and second Doctors, Michael Troughton continues fine, too). And the pairing of the first Doctor with the Brig works really very well indeed.
But, theillusiveman, what audios does this contradict? It seems to take place quite comfortably during "The Black Hole", with the same reference to Sontarans.
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Post by timleschild on Aug 17, 2024 18:01:01 GMT
I can't see any reference in the news for this release to say it was created as part of the 60th anniversary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 19:04:57 GMT
Only listened to the first ep. The actor playing Death is an all time worst bit of casting. Noonan sounds less like Hartnell than ever. The recasts stand out so much more alongside original actors and when there's 3 of them.
First Doctor is a real idiot eh? Knows The Brig has a time device....takes ages to realise he could be from his own future.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 17, 2024 19:18:32 GMT
Two episodes in to Deathworld and I’m starting to think the website was doing us a favour by stopping this being released.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 17, 2024 19:48:17 GMT
Ok after 2 listens I've got this wave of nostalgia, it almost evokes early BF in that they've got an idea that's too big for TV and they want to tell it, regardless of how it lands
Performances are fine but the flow is odd. Trelore , M Troughton, Katy and Frazer work well and Culshaw acts surprisingly well as a glue, then you got Noonan and the President Actor apparently on a different script altogether.
I'd call Deathworld ambitious and a fine example of "off the Wall Who", but maybe asking a bit too much from the audience and a couple of your Actors.
3/5
However I've several Facebook posts saying they would swap the TV Version for this instead
Regards
mark687
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Post by sherlock on Aug 17, 2024 20:42:20 GMT
Oh this was not the first story I needed to hear after last few weeks’ debacle.
First off, the pacing of this story is really annoying. Part 2 opens with Death explaining events to the Doctors, they then proceed to explain what’s happening three separate times in succession each to their assigned companions. Then come Part 3 they then realise a plot twist three separate times in succession and then action an identical plan three separate times in succession. And then having done that when they reunite they then treat us to yet another explanation of that initial conversation with Death.
This is my first proper experience of Noonan’s Hartnell outside of his glorified cameos in Once and Future, and I’m sorry it just does not work. Much like Dudman’s Twelve he sounds constantly cross, and there’s no sign of the charm Hartnell injected into his performance. The rest of the recasts worked for me, but honestly this has really put me off the 1DAs.
Add onto this a pervading sense of self-indulgence, even more so than The Three Doctors itself! The characters are almost written as caricatures of themselves (Jo says “jolly well” multiple times), and we get continuity rammed in including Two and Jamie spouting continuity references to The Black Hole and The Two Doctors (how exactly Jamie seemingly remembering that story and then being surprised by the Doctor having other selves works, I won’t bother pondering), the First Doctor’s TARDIS sporting the emergency unit and Cloister Bell, and the First Doctor asks if Brigadier is related to Bret Vyon. Happily the story forewarns us of this by having the Third Doctor brandish the Space-Time Telegram from his first scene. With this deluge of references, this ceases to be a Lost Story anymore as it bears no real resemblance to whatever would have been produced if this storyline had been continued.
There are some interesting notions here but they’re buried under the rest of the story, such as the chess game (which is confined to cutaways during the first episode and then never elaborated on) and the Time Lords’ relationship with death (which comes into the picture late in Part 3). The final twist is neat, but I saw it coming about 10 minutes before it was laid out and honestly not much of the story actually tied into it on reflection.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 17, 2024 20:44:51 GMT
I thought Deathworld was awful. Part 1 was terrible, almost a throwback to The Sirens in Time production wise, but it somehow seemed to get worse as it went on. All the recasts put in poor performances, even the usually reliable Treloar went back to his caricature performance blip from a few years ago. None of their interactions sparked anything close to the joy of what we’d get on screen. It was an uphill battle, as they’re not *the* originals, but this doesn’t even feel like it’s trying. I think they’ve really stretched the limit in how much a release can cope under recasts. The dialogue is exposition heavy or distractingly referential. Lots of a character talking out loud to themselves; a cardinal sin of audio. The sound design left a lot to be desired. A heavy emphasis on echo for no reason or a constant loop of a sound effect. If I’d heard the sounds of walking, eating or drinking once, I’d heard it a hundred times. Put all of it together and such a visual story doesn’t come to life. I just couldn’t picture anything other than the cast in a recording studio together. At times it descends into a laughable fan production and quite comfortably one of the worst things to have come out from Big Finish to my ears. Lacklustre from every aspect of the production. No wonder they released The Life and Death of River Song so quickly after. Give me the televised story and its joy, wit and imagination, even if the budgetary restrictions show, any day. The ironic thing being this story goes to pains to have characters say out loud what they see (in a manner almost exactly how people misconstrue audio drama to be like normally). But nothing they describe is terribly inventive.
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