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Post by christmastrenzalore on May 27, 2024 11:18:51 GMT
While no absolute meaning or value was ascribed to the hand gestures, the actress had some phrases to memorize the sequence loop.
It was something like: Thankyou so much, I'm so grateful, How will I ever repay you, For that little small precious gift, I'm sure we'll think of something.
I think it was more to get an uncanny feeling across, contrasting the eeriness of the figure with the softness of her gestures.
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Post by cray on May 27, 2024 14:09:09 GMT
I have such mixed feelings. It was really creepy, had some great acting, and beautiful direction. But it feels too early in the series to have this episode; it didn't feel earned and didn't have the impact of "Turn Left." It also didn't feel very sci-fi, which again is fine, but we've had quite a lot of 'not-really' sci-fi episodes. Additionally, I sometimes feel like we are getting further and further away from Doctor Who being family television. This episode felt firmly aimed at adults, and while I am an adult, I also remember loving Doctor Who as a kid. I want that for my kid too.
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Post by timleschild on May 27, 2024 14:33:57 GMT
Yeah! A nice scary and interesting episode, really showcased MG's talents. I suppose I worked out who the old lady must be fairly early in the piece. Anyone deciphered her hand gestures? I found the final scene between old Ruby and the other one quite an odd choice and it was strange to not show the face. Hang about, what was the deal with the hand gestures? Has anyone interpreted them? Why is she doing them? Just another plot element disregarded. Lazy writing.
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Post by daz on May 27, 2024 15:14:12 GMT
Answerin' me own question, I've now seen suggestions that the gestures represent the words we hear at the end. I think it is a bit of a reach. I took so long and I tried so hard (she extends her arms)
What else could I do? (she shrugs)
It took all these years, all these long years (grinds her hand)
Look at me (puts her hand on her chest)
I was so young (shakes her head)
If they wanted to get this commection across, they did a poor job because when we hear these words, she is not making the gestures.
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Post by melkur on May 27, 2024 16:26:40 GMT
As a whole, whilst I will admit that it was a little bit of a 'background watch', I did enjoy this episode fair-enough, buuuuut it could have benefited from being a little longer (especially with the second half).
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Post by elkawho on May 27, 2024 19:07:32 GMT
I have to say that I enjoyed it more on second watch, although I still think there are problems. And I'm also questioning the hand gestures. There is nothing in the story that tells us WHY old Ruby is doing them. What is she trying to communicate?
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Post by mistfall on May 27, 2024 19:35:26 GMT
Enjoyed it but don't get what she was saying to people.Kate looked at her with hatred to me.
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Post by mark687 on May 28, 2024 9:13:00 GMT
I've seen online that she's actually making "Clam down Listen to me Everything will be Ok" gestures but for unknown reasons it has the opposite effect for everyone within a 73 Yard space or field of her vision.
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Post by daz on May 28, 2024 14:46:52 GMT
I've had a bit of time to reflect on this, and although there is a lot of mystery, there really is only one thing I need cleared up:
Was everything that Ruby achieved undone?
GhostRuby did enough to warn 15 and Ruby not to tread on the circle, but presumably that means that Ruby never prevents Roger from enacting his plan.
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I've been amazed by the variance of opinions of 73 Yards. Quite a lot of reviewers have loved (including me) with some calling it the best ep in years etc. Others (including some reviewers I respect highly such as mrtardis and Confused Adipose) were highly critical.
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Post by agentten on May 29, 2024 1:33:56 GMT
I'm wondering if this episode is part of the larger mystery of what's going on with Ruby because there are a number of things unexplained such as the weird effect the distant figure had on those who approached her and what the fairy circle has to do with it all. Its almost like that fairy circle with the reference to Mad Jack was placed right in their path so that this could all happen and with Susan Twist there early on, her interactions with The Doctor and Ruby becoming gradually more substantial, it makes me wonder. Time will tell because we don't know what's going on with Ruby yet, but if this episode is part of a larger context, it wouldn't surprise me at all. In any case, I was absolutely gripped the whole hour and it feels like there's more to this.
Other things: - Definitely got Saxon vibes from the Prime Minister. I wonder if we'll see him again. - Kate Stewart mentioning that they deal with witchcraft and the supernatural now confirms that things have changed dramatically in the universe. Before, there was always a scientific explanation, but now, there's often a supernatural explanation. - And on the subject of UNIT, where is Osgood? Since Chibnall's era we just keep not seeing her. - Ruby really proved she could carry a whole episode and I enjoyed the focus on her this week. - RTD is great with "what the hell is going on?" episodes and this was a lot of fun to watch.
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Post by 20fridge on Jun 1, 2024 17:47:13 GMT
I was thinking about the episode and realized there may be an in-universe explanation for both Kate Stewart's "branch timeline" comment and why the Fourteenth Doctor didn't appear. The fairy circle removed both the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Doctors. Having both Doctors abruptly disappear would signal to Kate that something has gone wrong with time.
I do wonder if RTD missed a dramatic opportunity by not having the Fourteenth Doctor show up. It would have been utterly shocking for the audience to see him walk way because of whatever future Ruby said. That said, I think having her mother walk away was the more impactful loss for Ruby and this episode really was Ruby's story. Also, since this episode was so Doctor light to begin with, and it's so early in Gatwa's run that it might undercut him to bring Tennant back, even for a brief scene.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 1, 2024 18:10:34 GMT
I was thinking about the episode and realized there may be an in-universe explanation for both Kate Stewart's "branch timeline" comment and why the Fourteenth Doctor didn't appear. The fairy circle removed both the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Doctors. Having both Doctors abruptly disappear would signal to Kate that something has gone wrong with time. I do wonder if RTD missed a dramatic opportunity by not having the Fourteenth Doctor show up. It would have been utterly shocking for the audience to see him walk way because of whatever future Ruby said. That said, I think having her mother walk away was the more impactful loss for Ruby and this episode really was Ruby's story. Also, since this episode was so Doctor light to begin with, and it's so early in Gatwa's run that it might undercut him to bring Tennant back, even for a brief scene. No. No more Tennant!
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Post by 20fridge on Jun 1, 2024 19:04:00 GMT
I was thinking about the episode and realized there may be an in-universe explanation for both Kate Stewart's "branch timeline" comment and why the Fourteenth Doctor didn't appear. The fairy circle removed both the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Doctors. Having both Doctors abruptly disappear would signal to Kate that something has gone wrong with time. I do wonder if RTD missed a dramatic opportunity by not having the Fourteenth Doctor show up. It would have been utterly shocking for the audience to see him walk way because of whatever future Ruby said. That said, I think having her mother walk away was the more impactful loss for Ruby and this episode really was Ruby's story. Also, since this episode was so Doctor light to begin with, and it's so early in Gatwa's run that it might undercut him to bring Tennant back, even for a brief scene. No. No more Tennant! I think Tennant would be best used by being relegated to Big Finish Fourteenth Doctor or UNIT spin-off for the immediate future. However, it wouldn't surprise me if Bad Wolf Productions does a UNIT show and uses him as a guest star.
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