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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2024 13:31:23 GMT
People are becoming very vocal about what they don't want from Doctor Who (can also insult Production Teams as often as they as like now it seems) so the Question is (be as Free Verbed as you like in response)
What Do You Want from it?
For the record I've liked every version of the show (there have been some story aspects or character moments that haven't worked as well but I can live with or ignore them)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 14:54:48 GMT
Stories that deliver on promises. Not too much to ask. Subversion of expectation is fine but to put things into stories that then don't make sense when reveals happen, just so you have the illusion of "mysteries" is not clever.
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Post by bethhigdon on Jun 29, 2024 15:36:00 GMT
The only thing I ask from Doctor Who is to be fun.
of course 'fun' is subjective
also it would be nice if Big Finish offered other buying options besides just box sets
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 16:07:45 GMT
The only thing I ask from Doctor Who is to be fun. of course 'fun' is subjective also it would be nice if Big Finish offered other buying options besides just box sets I took it that we're talking about TV given the subforum? But BF have surely been more friendly to people not buying boxsets than they have since the MR ended. Sontarans Vs Rutans and Dark Gallifrey were box sets that were turned into single releases after recording (they're still called box sets on the extras) though some sets wouldn't work as standalones. Something like the Last Day doesn't work at all anyway but as standalones it would be even worse. |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 29, 2024 16:11:55 GMT
- Good writing.
- Less trolling the audience with bait & switch twists.
- More new young voices working on the show not the same old men from the Wilderness Years.
- Stop trying to make things simply vibes to appeal to social media likes & reposts.
- Original stories & villains not nostalgia.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2024 16:23:49 GMT
- Good writing.
- Less trolling the audience with bait & switch twists.
- More new young voices working on the show not the same old men from the Wilderness Years.
- Stop trying to make things simply vibes to appeal to social media likes & reposts.
- Original stories & villains not nostalgia.
I. Is that Subjective to the viewer? 2. If they cant be found then let the show die? 3. How else can a wider audience be engaged? Regards mark687 |
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Post by theillusiveman on Jun 29, 2024 16:54:35 GMT
1) Good writing that is consistent in tone and story structure
2) More universal approach to audiences that everyone can enjoy instead of one demographic
3) a Good actor to play the Doctor who has gravitas and authority
4) a great companion or companions who feel like a great double act to the doctor (8&Lucie, 10 and Donna or 12 and Bill)
5) fan service that enhances the story
6) avoiding doing retcons like the timeless child to the lore of the show and the character of the doctor
7) more unique combination of tardis teams including alien companions
8) 10 episodes minimum
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Post by timleschild on Jun 29, 2024 16:54:57 GMT
- Good writing.
- Less trolling the audience with bait & switch twists.
- More new young voices working on the show not the same old men from the Wilderness Years.
- Stop trying to make things simply vibes to appeal to social media likes & reposts.
- Original stories & villains not nostalgia.
I. Is that Subjective to the viewer? 2. If they cant be found then let the show die? 3. How else can a wider audience be engaged? Regards mark687 1. You asked for people's opinion, you said "What Do You Want from it?" so of course its subjective. 2. Why jump to that conclusion? How on earth could they not be found? There are so many talented writers out there. Don't be so pessimistic. 3. I never said don't make use of social media but don't make the show for that purpose. You asked people what they want. i didn't realise we were going to be challenged on that? Tells us all what you want please. |
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2024 17:48:38 GMT
I. Is that Subjective to the viewer? 2. If they cant be found then let the show die? 3. How else can a wider audience be engaged? Regards mark687 1. You asked for people's opinion, you said "What Do You Want from it?" so of course its subjective. 2. Why jump to that conclusion? How on earth could they not be found? There are so many talented writers out there. Don't be so pessimistic. 3. I never said don't make use of social media but don't make the show for that purpose. You asked people what they want. i didn't realise we were going to be challenged on that? Tells us all what you want please. For the this Writer/Writing is Bad line to stop dominating the dialogue and stomping on any positive enthusiasm! Regards mark687 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 17:57:04 GMT
Honestly? To quote a friend of ours, “Sack Russell T. Davies, sack Jane Tranter, sack Phil Collinson, sack Julie Gardner ..." And while you're at it, Murray Gold is welcome to move along to other challenges too.
Sorry to sound negative.
In other news, I get everything (else) I want from Doctor Who from Big Finish now, bless 'em.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2024 18:03:04 GMT
Honestly? To quote a friend of ours, “Sack Russell T. Davies, sack Jane Tranter, sack Phil Collinson, sack Julie Gardner ..." And while you're at it, Murray Gold is welcome to move along to other challenges too.
Sorry to sound negative.
In other news, I get everything (else) I want from Doctor Who from Big Finish now, bless 'em.
Surprised by this but replaced by who The feel of the show reminded of Netflix shows so production wise it felt current even MG tamed the Music somewhat. Regards mark687 |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 29, 2024 18:03:11 GMT
1. You asked for people's opinion, you said "What Do You Want from it?" so of course its subjective. 2. Why jump to that conclusion? How on earth could they not be found? There are so many talented writers out there. Don't be so pessimistic. 3. I never said don't make use of social media but don't make the show for that purpose. You asked people what they want. i didn't realise we were going to be challenged on that? Tells us all what you want please. For the this Writer/Writing is Bad line to stop dominating the dialogue and stomping on any positive enthusiasm! Regards mark687 That's what you want from the show??? Sounds more like that is what you want from fan discourse. Which is another question entirely & not what I thought this thread was created for. |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 29, 2024 18:03:56 GMT
Honestly? To quote a friend of ours, “Sack Russell T. Davies, sack Jane Tranter, sack Phil Collinson, sack Julie Gardner ..." And while you're at it, Murray Gold is welcome to move along to other challenges too. Agree 100%! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 18:22:44 GMT
Honestly? To quote a friend of ours, “Sack Russell T. Davies, sack Jane Tranter, sack Phil Collinson, sack Julie Gardner ..." And while you're at it, Murray Gold is welcome to move along to other challenges too.
Sorry to sound negative.
In other news, I get everything (else) I want from Doctor Who from Big Finish now, bless 'em.
Surprised by this but replaced by who The feel of the show reminded of Netflix shows so production wise it felt current even MG tamed the Music somewhat. Regards mark687 That's my opinion, and it's not the first time I've stated it here. There are a wealth of writers who have provided some terrific stories in all mediums for the show over the years, but without the unsubtle, deeply patronising, sensibilities of RTD. Sadly few of them have/had the clout of our esteemed showrunner. I never thought I could be as disinterested in television Doctor Who as I am currently. I'm glad others are still getting something out of it, but it's not for me these days. Cracking idea for a thread though, Mark 🙂 |
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2024 18:44:00 GMT
Surprised by this but replaced by who The feel of the show reminded of Netflix shows so production wise it felt current even MG tamed the Music somewhat. Regards mark687 That's my opinion, and it's not the first time I've stated it here. There are a wealth of writers who have provided some terrific stories in all mediums for the show over the years, but without the unsubtle, deeply patronising, sensibilities of RTD. Sadly few of them have/had the clout of our esteemed showrunner. I never thought I could be as disinterested in television Doctor Who as I am currently. I'm glad others are still getting something out of it, but it's not for me these days. Cracking idea for a thread though, Mark 🙂 Good point what makes a subtle TV Writer these Days? Sally Wainwright, Jimmy McGovan. Paul Abbot, Ian Rankin, Steve Mcqueen virtually every US Show, all both crystal clear and sledgehammer in their (granted valid) messaging. Regards mark687 |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 29, 2024 18:44:52 GMT
Changed the title now to reflect fan discourse??? Bit weird, what do people want from fan discourse??? Everyone to just say nice things? We can't moderate what fans should or should not say?
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2024 18:48:48 GMT
Changed the title now to reflect fan discourse??? Bit weird, what do people want from fan discourse??? Everyone to just say nice things? We can't moderate what fans should or should not say? Be nice to have a more even breakdown of opinion then "So and so is rubbish" all the time. Regards mark687 |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 29, 2024 19:07:47 GMT
Changed the title now to reflect fan discourse??? Bit weird, what do people want from fan discourse??? Everyone to just say nice things? We can't moderate what fans should or should not say? Be nice to have a more even breakdown of opinion then "So and so is rubbish" all the time. Regards mark687 Maybe but we can't control nor should we seek to control fan discourse other than block those we disagree with or report those that are rude on whatever fan platform we are using. We as fans choose to engage with others/forums, as in life we are inevitably going to meet those we disagree with or find their opinions annoying. |
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Post by mark687 on Jun 29, 2024 19:19:39 GMT
Be nice to have a more even breakdown of opinion then "So and so is rubbish" all the time. Regards mark687 Maybe but we can't control nor should we seek to control fan discourse other than block those we disagree with or report those that are rude on whatever fan platform we are using. We as fans choose to engage with others/forums, as in life we are inevitably going to meet those we disagree with or find their opinions annoying. So what does constantly coitizing the same thing do for the criticizer? Regards mark687 |
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Post by timleschild on Jun 29, 2024 19:46:45 GMT
Maybe but we can't control nor should we seek to control fan discourse other than block those we disagree with or report those that are rude on whatever fan platform we are using. We as fans choose to engage with others/forums, as in life we are inevitably going to meet those we disagree with or find their opinions annoying. So what does constantly coitizing the same thing do for the criticizer? Regards mark687 ? |
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