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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 12, 2016 17:33:55 GMT
I disagree, I think it's important for the lead actor to have a break in filming a show as complex as Doctor Who otherwise it will affect his performance. My point is that because they're starting filming in May for broadcast next spring they can do that without a Doctor-lite episode. They can build more gaps between blocks than normal to give Capaldi breaks and let Moffat switch focus to Sherlock. Surely it's better for them to just do it and give Peter Capaldi a break during filming of a Doctor-lite episode than take random breaks throughout the shooting schedule?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 12, 2016 17:34:34 GMT
I disagree, I think it's important for the lead actor to have a break in filming a show as complex as Doctor Who otherwise it will affect his performance. How come when actors work for US shows they can do 26 episodes in a season, but in the UK it's too taxing? Because we have stricter laws on how long people can work over here, whereas in the U.S. they have longer working hours.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 17:34:56 GMT
My point is that because they're starting filming in May for broadcast next spring they can do that without a Doctor-lite episode. They can build more gaps between blocks than normal to give Capaldi breaks and let Moffat switch focus to Sherlock. Surely it's better for them to just do it and give Peter Capaldi a break during filming of a Doctor-lite episode than take random breaks throughout the shooting schedule? Less Capaldi can't be a good thing from my perspective. And I'm not talking about random breaks but about well planned and structured ones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 17:37:40 GMT
How come when actors work for US shows they can do 26 episodes in a season, but in the UK it's too taxing? Because we have stricter laws on how long people can work over here, whereas in the U.S. they have longer working hours. A lot of US shows use ensemble casts where whole portions of the cast dissappear for weeks on end and nobody notices.
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Post by jasonward on Feb 12, 2016 17:40:04 GMT
How come when actors work for US shows they can do 26 episodes in a season, but in the UK it's too taxing? Because we have stricter laws on how long people can work over here, whereas in the U.S. they have longer working hours. Indeed, but you expressed the need for actors to get a break, not the need to conform to the working time directive.
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Post by jasonward on Feb 12, 2016 17:41:32 GMT
Because we have stricter laws on how long people can work over here, whereas in the U.S. they have longer working hours. A lot of US shows use ensemble casts where whole portions of the cast dissappear for weeks on end and nobody notices. This makes sense to me, except when it comes to the principle, like Hugh Laurie in House, I don't recall him ever disappearing, let alone for weeks on end.
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Post by randomjc on Feb 12, 2016 19:02:33 GMT
A lot of US shows use ensemble casts where whole portions of the cast dissappear for weeks on end and nobody notices. This makes sense to me, except when it comes to the principle, like Hugh Laurie in House, I don't recall him ever disappearing, let alone for weeks on end. Even most ensemble shows have a primary character, who shows up for all 23 episodes. To look at NCIS and Mark Harmon. Even as an ensemble, he is around most of the time, and NCIS films two episodes at once. There is a different mentality to making TV in the states and the UK.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 12, 2016 19:12:13 GMT
Because we have stricter laws on how long people can work over here, whereas in the U.S. they have longer working hours. Indeed, but you expressed the need for actors to get a break, not the need to conform to the working time directive. I think whilst there are stricter laws TV productions have to comply with here in terms of working time, as I said I also think it's important to give actors breaks from filming because otherwise you're going to get a weaker performance from them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 19:22:19 GMT
A lot of US shows use ensemble casts where whole portions of the cast dissappear for weeks on end and nobody notices. This makes sense to me, except when it comes to the principle, like Hugh Laurie in House, I don't recall him ever disappearing, let alone for weeks on end. There's a reason he never had time to shave!
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 13, 2016 6:37:09 GMT
Indeed, but you expressed the need for actors to get a break, not the need to conform to the working time directive. I think whilst there are stricter laws TV productions have to comply with here in terms of working time, as I said I also think it's important to give actors breaks from filming because otherwise you're going to get a weaker performance from them. American shows don't seem to have that problem though. Plenty of shows have lead actors who give great performances throughout all twenty-some episodes. I love British shows, but I wish they would give us more than a handful of episodes a year. In some cases (Sherlock, for example) we don't even get that.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 13, 2016 10:18:07 GMT
I think whilst there are stricter laws TV productions have to comply with here in terms of working time, as I said I also think it's important to give actors breaks from filming because otherwise you're going to get a weaker performance from them. American shows don't seem to have that problem though. Plenty of shows have lead actors who give great performances throughout all twenty-some episodes. I love British shows, but I wish they would give us more than a handful of episodes a year. In some cases (Sherlock, for example) we don't even get that. What about Agents of SHIELD? We just had an episode air over here in the UK that focused on Simmons, without Agent Coulson appearing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 10:18:37 GMT
I think whilst there are stricter laws TV productions have to comply with here in terms of working time, as I said I also think it's important to give actors breaks from filming because otherwise you're going to get a weaker performance from them. American shows don't seem to have that problem though. Plenty of shows have lead actors who give great performances throughout all twenty-some episodes. I love British shows, but I wish they would give us more than a handful of episodes a year. In some cases (Sherlock, for example) we don't even get that. You also have to remember that a lot often gets packed into those British miniseries. Many a beloved character and story from series like Blackadder, Sherlock and others would drown under the padding length of an American series length where you have to fill out twenty-six episodes with plot, characters and now often ongoing story arcs. Every writer has a limit on what they can produce and when an author or group of authors hits burnout, it's all downhill in terms of content. It may mean less for the audience, but it often means that we get better, richer and more diverse tales. It's why I'm such a stickler for quality over quantity. I'd much prefer a small portion of something incredible, then a large miasma of mediocrity.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 13, 2016 10:43:43 GMT
Do actors on American series tend to work on other things at the same time or are they just contracted to "the show". That may make a difference as it appears in British series that the actors are generally doing other things as well as "the show". I remember Roger Delgado complaining in an interview once that he rarely got other work because everyone assumed he was constantly doing Doctor Who, when in fact he was only appearing in a few episodes. I know that's not quite the same as (say) Capaldi, but I think it still stands.
You've also got to consider the budgets for American series. I guess they are much bigger than our budgets and that could account for the difference. It might not be the actors needing a break (altho I know Capaldi and Smith talked about the punishing schedule) but a cost issue, especially as our sets are much smaller than American sets too and a lot of our filming is done on location - that takes time (and money) to set up too.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 13, 2016 12:00:52 GMT
I just thought: what's interesting about the no series until Spring 2017 thing is that they're doing exactly what one of the lecturers at the university I go to suggested: resting the show for a year without a full series. It really proves how much experience the lecturer in question has working in television (he has directed a few TV shows).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 12:10:17 GMT
American shows don't seem to have that problem though. Plenty of shows have lead actors who give great performances throughout all twenty-some episodes. I love British shows, but I wish they would give us more than a handful of episodes a year. In some cases (Sherlock, for example) we don't even get that. What about Agents of SHIELD? We just had an episode air over here in the UK that focused on Simmons, without Agent Coulson appearing. Agents of SHIELD is a great example. The previous epiode was nearly all Hunter, the one before that nearly all Daisy. Yes there are shows which major on one person but you'd be surprised even on a show.like Daredevil how little screentime the title character sometimes gets.
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 13, 2016 14:13:54 GMT
What do you think Steven Moffat will do next?
I am surprised that Big Finish haven't announced a Paternoster Gang audio series, but as they are Moffat's creation could he perhaps bring their series to the small screen?
If no audio is announced in the coming year and if the Paternoster Gang are bought back during the next Doctor Who series I think it could become a reality...
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 13, 2016 14:56:15 GMT
If no audio is announced in the coming year and if the Paternoster Gang are bought back during the next Doctor Who series I think it could become a reality... Not whilst Class is around, unless Paternoster Gang is a CBBC spinoff and Class goes from being a Young Adult series to an Adult one.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 13, 2016 16:31:11 GMT
What do you think Steven Moffat will do next? I am surprised that Big Finish haven't announced a Paternoster Gang audio series, but as they are Moffat's creation could he perhaps bring their series to the small screen? If no audio is announced in the coming year and if the Paternoster Gang are bought back during the next Doctor Who series I think it could become a reality... I doubt he would leave Doctor Who to work on a Doctor Who spinoff.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 17:15:01 GMT
What do you think Steven Moffat will do next? I am surprised that Big Finish haven't announced a Paternoster Gang audio series, but as they are Moffat's creation could he perhaps bring their series to the small screen? If no audio is announced in the coming year and if the Paternoster Gang are bought back during the next Doctor Who series I think it could become a reality... I'd expect him to do some Hollywood script writing for Steven Spielberg.
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Post by seeley on Feb 13, 2016 19:03:09 GMT
I remember Roger Delgado complaining in an interview once that he rarely got other work because everyone assumed he was constantly doing Doctor Who, when in fact he was only appearing in a few episodes. Of course, considering that he appeared in every episode of Season 8, I can see why folks might have gotten that impression.
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