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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 5:35:15 GMT
Hey everyone,
It's 1994. You are in charge of introducing classic British science fiction series Doctor Who to American audiences and contiuning the legacy of the program. How do you approach it? Casting is open.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 6:31:57 GMT
Ditched all the intro in the TARDIS material and made Grace the focus, much like RTD did yeats later in Rose. And cut back on some of the Time Lord continuity references to make it more newcomer friendly. otherwise I really liked it.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 27, 2016 13:07:49 GMT
I'd still Hire Paul McGann as the Doctor
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Post by mrperson on Jan 27, 2016 15:18:36 GMT
Well, let's see.
I'd beg Douglas Adams to get involved in some capacity, whether script editing or that plus co-writing.
I'd try to get other people from the show who were involved in episodes from Tom Baker's era (Robert Holmes, Terry Nation, Terrence Dicks, David Fischer).
I recall there being something of an extended physical fight scene between the Doctor and Master which felt wrong and looked silly to me. I'd get rid of that bit. Also the silly business with him having infectious mind-control spit or whatever it was. Basically, drop all the physical gussying-up of the Master.
Drop the "half human" business with the Doctor, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2016 16:09:10 GMT
Of the people who actually auditioned? Yeah, I'd pick McGann still though I must adit Tony Head would run him close though at the time he was still too linked to the coffee ads before Buffy made him a star.
I'd have no references to the past bar The Doctor and the TARDIS - no Master, Daleks, Skaro and certainly no Sylvester McCoy.
I'd also reschedule the broadcast. It was up against the NBA Playoffs and the Roseanne ep where Dan had a heart attack - could have been the best tv movie ever and still suk in the ratings stateside.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 28, 2016 23:37:30 GMT
Start completely afresh with a new Doctor - still played by Paul McGann. Still have Grace appear played by Daphne Ashbrook but in this version she would agree to travel with the Doctor. The debut story would feature the Daleks as opposed to the Master - set in London rather than San Francisco. No amnesia element - just the Doctor being the Doctor. Not newly regenerated - no reference at all to regeneration (that would come later if it were to get a series). Shown in cinemas with hope for a TV series to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 1:45:42 GMT
It's funny but I think The Dying Days or more likely Sympathy for the Devil were perfect pilot film stories, but if you were trying to fix what we eventually got then you could probably do this as a check list:
* Leave the regeneration implied because at this stage it's not relevant to either returning or new audiences, do the Pertwee TARDIS tumble and have our hero just appear. In fact, have one of the subplots in the telefilm be him finding the TARDIS, a little bit of build up to it will help to establish how special it is. If you want to introduce the idea of total cellular renewal, hint at it at the end of the film when the Doctor appears to have perished saving the world.
* Involve characters rather than plot devices in the tale. Professor Wagg, Grace's boss and many others just turn up and disappear as the screenplay needs them with little explanation or often reason. If you're going to have Chang Lee chased by gang members, involve a bit of the local culture and show us why he was being chased or why Grace is on the board of trustees at the Institute for Advanced Sciences. Show us the lives each of these characters have outside of this film, it would have been interesting to see the Master quietly plotting for future escapades (e.g. to visit H.P. Lovecraft for his copy of the Necronomicon or contact the Krotons in the constellation of Damocles, etc.).
* Get a different director on board. As stunning as the film was, it has a very peculiar and surreal production style that takes you far outside of the narrative. It's trying to impress you with technique and noise rather than tell a good story. Someone sedate like Martin Campbell could make the show work without pushing all the visuals into the audience's face.
* They fumbled a bit with the casting as well. Paul McGann, Daphne Ashbrook and Yee Jee Tso are a perfect trio, but you need someone who is both saturnine and enchanting as the Master. Derek Jacobi seems a very decent fit, someone who could carry the character's menace in his own right rather than being a reflection of the current Doctor or the strange, Saturday morning matinee villain Roberts plays.
* That initial kiss between the Doctor and Grace is unimaginably awkward and forced. I think I would have preferred that yes romantic feelings develop between the two, but they're expressed as any Romanticist like the Eighth Doctor would. With a lot more subtlety, class and sophistication. I would have liked seeing the Doctor try to woo Grace to come along with him in the TARDIS just through his facial expressions before she asks him to come down with her to the New Year's Day parties.
* The heavy emphasis on Trek symbolism could be lost too: references to a cloaking device, the Doctor being half-human, San Francisco, etc. This isn't The Voyage Home.
* That being said, I do think Harlan Ellison would have been a perfect fit for an American-produced Doctor Who screenplay. He has that right edge of wit and sincerity that you would need if you were relaunching a popular franchise. Not to mention he's able to come up with lines like: "Calmly now, Archie. Tell us what seems to have unhinged you."
EDIT: Actually, I rather like the Leekey bible's The Claws of Axos in Revolutionary France idea, it'd be a nice demonstration of both the historical drama and futuristic science fiction stories that the classic series seemed to excel at. You could have Jim Henson's Creature Shop do the special effects work for the interior of the Axos creature (or its close equivalent).
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 29, 2016 13:49:52 GMT
I would make it more clear that the Master entered the Tardis after Chang (Like it hints in the Gary Russell Novelisation)
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Post by randomjc on Jan 29, 2016 16:22:45 GMT
* They fumbled a bit with the casting as well. Paul McGann, Daphne Ashbrook and Yee Jee Tso are a perfect trio, but you need someone who is both saturnine and enchanting as the Master. Derek Jacobi seems a very decent fit, someone who could carry the character's menace in his own right rather than being a reflection of the current Doctor or the strange, Saturday morning matinee villain Roberts plays. The thing to remember, the Master has to be American. It was apart of the stipulation for the co-production with Fox. They were lucky enough to keep the actor for the Doctor British. So what American actor would work for the Master in the mid-90s.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 29, 2016 16:29:09 GMT
Mandy Patinkin would be an interesting choice for The Master
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Post by randomjc on Jan 29, 2016 16:34:07 GMT
It would be interesting. Of course, I have Criminal Minds Mandy in my head.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 17:16:01 GMT
- Still cast Paul McGann in the role, had I seen this Irish TV program he was in - Drop the Master out of the plot completely - Have it mainly set on Earth, but have some glimpses of alien worlds in some form to intrigue audiences into watching the full series that is to be commissioned after this pilot - Have at least two harsh script editors to tell me what works and what sounds corny - Probably keep Grace, we need an American audience avatar anyway - Drop the Half Human mumbo jumbo - Yes, keep Chang in the plot, but see more of the gang side and maybe connect that to the plot, so the fact that he's part of a gang has purpose to the narrative - Not include Sylvester McCoy and just start out with Paul McGann, leave the regeneration bit until they thought of a really good idea for it (like The Night of the Doctor was a good idea but The Flood comic felt a bit quick and forced of a place to include the regeneration)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 1:51:40 GMT
Mandy Patinkin would be an interesting choice for The Master It would have made for an interesting dynamic between the two, the young Romantic versus the old detractor; idealism on one side and discipline on the other. Patinkin would certainly be able to handle the charm and economy of the character, but in a different way from his predecessors.
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Post by elkawho on Jan 30, 2016 3:44:11 GMT
* They fumbled a bit with the casting as well. Paul McGann, Daphne Ashbrook and Yee Jee Tso are a perfect trio, but you need someone who is both saturnine and enchanting as the Master. Derek Jacobi seems a very decent fit, someone who could carry the character's menace in his own right rather than being a reflection of the current Doctor or the strange, Saturday morning matinee villain Roberts plays. The thing to remember, the Master has to be American. It was apart of the stipulation for the co-production with Fox. They were lucky enough to keep the actor for the Doctor British. So what American actor would work for the Master in the mid-90s. Ray Wise. I think he would have been a great Master.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 3:51:30 GMT
The thing to remember, the Master has to be American. It was apart of the stipulation for the co-production with Fox. They were lucky enough to keep the actor for the Doctor British. So what American actor would work for the Master in the mid-90s. Ray Wise. I think he would have been a great Master. Oh, actually speaking of Command & Conquer actors (and barring the "must be American" caveat), I'd have liked to see Udo Kier have a stab at the role.
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Post by relativetime on Jan 30, 2016 5:32:12 GMT
- Still cast Paul McGann in the role, had I seen this Irish TV program he was in - Drop the Master out of the plot completely - Have it mainly set on Earth, but have some glimpses of alien worlds in some form to intrigue audiences into watching the full series that is to be commissioned after this pilot - Have at least two harsh script editors to tell me what works and what sounds corny - Probably keep Grace, we need an American audience avatar anyway - Drop the Half Human mumbo jumbo - Yes, keep Chang in the plot, but see more of the gang side and maybe connect that to the plot, so the fact that he's part of a gang has purpose to the narrative - Not include Sylvester McCoy and just start out with Paul McGann, leave the regeneration bit until they thought of a really good idea for it (like The Night of the Doctor was a good idea but The Flood comic felt a bit quick and forced of a place to include the regeneration) I think it would still be a good idea to keep the regeneration in the movie. It added a level of legitimacy to the film so we aren't having endless debates about whether or not Paul McGann actually counts as the Doctor. Could the regeneration have been done better? Probably. But I think it works. It's hard to decide what to change about the movie, considering it was, at the time, essentially the planned opening for a new era of Doctor Who on television. So, taking that into account, we'd have to also assume we are in control of the series that will follow the movie and that we have control of the focus of what will happen following the movie. We know, for instance, that the planned American series was to follow the Doctor searching for his father. That might explain why the film alluded to the Doctor being half-human.
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