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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 1, 2016 10:02:08 GMT
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Post by elkawho on Feb 2, 2016 2:08:02 GMT
Meh. It's ok.
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Post by omega on Feb 2, 2016 2:15:30 GMT
Axos and the Axons work surprisingly well on audio, it's one time where using an old monster comes off well. It's one of the last stories the wonderful Maggie Stables recorded as Evelyn, probably one of the last stories she recorded full stop. The cliffhangers are memorable (one will make you feel, unless you have a heart of stone).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 3:47:06 GMT
I just don't see the point in The Listeners now. It used to have an official forum thread and was supposed to encourage discussion. Now it gets a few FB likes, a retweet or two and a few "ordered this" posts. It's just a sale by any other name.
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Post by omega on Feb 2, 2016 4:48:15 GMT
I just don't see the point in The Listeners now. It used to have an official forum thread and was supposed to encourage discussion. Now it gets a few FB likes, a retweet or two and a few "ordered this" posts. It's just a sale by any other name. I can see your point. They didn't even bother to justify why they chose Feast of Axos of all stories. The only Sixth Doctor release is a Short Trip narrated by Nicola Bryant, and there aren't any known returning monsters apart from the ever-present Daleks. The connection, if there is one at all, eludes me. The book club aspect became redundant when the forum went down (Facebook isn't the ideal platform to hold a discussion like a forum is), and I suspect that even by that point the book club aspect had quietened down. It certainly hasn't taken off here, something I hope this thread rectifies.
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Post by seeley on Feb 2, 2016 5:03:59 GMT
I just don't see the point in The Listeners now. It used to have an official forum thread and was supposed to encourage discussion. Now it gets a few FB likes, a retweet or two and a few "ordered this" posts. It's just a sale by any other name. The thing is, it started out as a way of getting people to dip into various ranges. So if it went off the rails, it did so when it shifted focus almost entirely to Who (which was several months before the forums closed, if I recall correctly.) Heck, even in the old forums, it never seemed like the book-club it was supposed to be. Such things can be done, as evidenced by the likes of the Bloodlust listen-through, but saying "here's a release on sale for a month, talk about it," doesn't seem to be the most effective way. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. I'm quite happy for more sales, and the short "making of" pieces in Vortex are cool. All that said, I would be quite happy for increased Listeners discussion. I think the "listen-through" model might be the ticket. Everyone could listen to an episode a night, or somesuch. They didn't even bother to justify why they chose Feast of Axos of all stories. The only Sixth Doctor release is a Short Trip narrated by Nicola Bryant, and there aren't any known returning monsters apart from the ever-present Daleks. From the news page: "Doctor Who: The Feast of Axos resurrects an all time classic Doctor Who monster, and is reduced all through February to celebrate the upcoming 45th anniversary since they slithered onto our screens." "All-time classic monster" is a bit much, but it's not utterly random.
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Post by omega on Feb 2, 2016 5:26:01 GMT
They didn't even bother to justify why they chose Feast of Axos of all stories. The only Sixth Doctor release is a Short Trip narrated by Nicola Bryant, and there aren't any known returning monsters apart from the ever-present Daleks. From the news page: "Doctor Who: The Feast of Axos resurrects an all time classic Doctor Who monster, and is reduced all through February to celebrate the upcoming 45th anniversary since they slithered onto our screens." "All-time classic monster" is a bit much, but it's not utterly random. "All-time classic monster" is a bit broad though. What includes and excludes a monster from the classic series as being an all-time classic? As far as I'm aware of, the Axons made their first post-Claws appearance in a 2010 DWM comic strip (The Golden Ones with the Eleventh Doctor and Amy, in the Child of Time graphic novel) and then a few months later in this audio. As I said, the only known returning, let alone all-time classic monsters are the Daleks in the second War Doctor box set Infernal Devices. The Short Trips tend not to use old monsters, and the earliest era of Who represented in this month's audios is the Fourth Doctor era, the Graham Williams era specifically. Stories like The Pyralis Effect (Fourth Doctor CC narrated by Lalla Ward), The Elite (Fifth Doctor Lost Story with Nyssa and Tegan) or even 1963: The Space Race (one of the guest stars in the new co-lead in Vienna) would have made more sense. Council of War (Third Doctor CC narrated by John Levene), written by the duo who wrote this month's Main Range, would have produced some interesting production notes for Vortex.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 5:26:17 GMT
I just don't see the point in The Listeners now. It used to have an official forum thread and was supposed to encourage discussion. Now it gets a few FB likes, a retweet or two and a few "ordered this" posts. It's just a sale by any other name. I can see your point. They didn't even bother to justify why they chose Feast of Axos of all stories. The only Sixth Doctor release is a Short Trip narrated by Nicola Bryant, and there aren't any known returning monsters apart from the ever-present Daleks. The connection, if there is one at all, eludes me. The book club aspect became redundant when the forum went down (Facebook isn't the ideal platform to hold a discussion like a forum is), and I suspect that even by that point the book club aspect had quietened down. It certainly hasn't taken off here, something I hope this thread rectifies. Agreed. Facebook is not a good place for discussion. You seen the big BF fan-pages? Mostly people posting pics of what they've had in the post. I think listen-thrus like the ones we do ourselves are much better as we can decide what to have lined up ourselves rather than just listen to completely random, out of context stories just because BF want to shift it that month. Bloodlust has done very well in the listen-thru, I think Dorian will too - I think given interest we should think about a Whoniverse version. Our own version of The Listeners, in essence.
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Post by omega on Feb 2, 2016 5:33:18 GMT
I can see your point. They didn't even bother to justify why they chose Feast of Axos of all stories. The only Sixth Doctor release is a Short Trip narrated by Nicola Bryant, and there aren't any known returning monsters apart from the ever-present Daleks. The connection, if there is one at all, eludes me. The book club aspect became redundant when the forum went down (Facebook isn't the ideal platform to hold a discussion like a forum is), and I suspect that even by that point the book club aspect had quietened down. It certainly hasn't taken off here, something I hope this thread rectifies. Agreed. Facebook is not a good place for discussion. You seen the big BF fan-pages? Mostly people posting pics of what they've had in the post. I think listen-thrus like the ones we do ourselves are much better as we can decide what to have lined up ourselves rather than just listen to completely random, out of context stories just because BF want to shift it that month. Bloodlust has done very well in the listen-thru, I think Dorian will too - I think given interest we should think about a Whoniverse version. Our own version of The Listeners, in essence. It's download only for Listeners (quiet TPIM!). I'm listening to a bunch of podcasts and following a few websites and GB threads going through not just the audios, but some lines of the novels. There's a fascinating thread on GB where one person is going through the Main Range, and the Oncoming Storm Podcast is going through the Main Range and the New Adventures in order. I'm completely happy to do something like that here, but would prefer something a bit different for what is being followed. The Lost Stories maybe, the Stage Plays (not many of them and pretty cheap) or the Fourth Doctor Adventures (on the condition the dire fourth season two-part finale is avoided). It feels like the Main Range and Eighth Doctor audios are the obvious choices for such ventures.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 5:51:52 GMT
I wouldn't expect to go through the MR in order anyway. The DS listen-thru didn't go in release order but focused on arcs like 1973 or Tony and Cassandra and that's the best way for it, I think. Short-run mini-series, arcs, trilogies...
Josh and co on The Oncoming Storm are proving that a 1-200 listen isn't the best idea - they're really finding it a chore now. Would hate that to happen. The guys are Who Back When have been doing an 8DA listen thru for a while, too.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 2, 2016 7:52:13 GMT
Main Range trilogy listen thrus might work but probably not for me as I don't have that many lol. I like the idea though and it could be adapted to almost any range. We could have a Dark Eyes listen thru, Doom Coalition etc. To be honest, there's no reason we can't make the listeners a book club on here. If BF are going to carry on having a cheap release every month, we should listen and discuss it. The hardest thing to do would be forcing ourselves to listen to something we remember as being dire . Cheers Tony
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 8:05:54 GMT
Yes, but that was my case for not sticking to what BF put out as The Listeners title - it tends to be an arbitrary, out-of-context pick. I can't imagine many getting enthused about a listen for Axos and even less being interested in having a discussion on it. If we choose our own titles, we can make sure as many are involved as possible and that its a topic that might excite a bit more than an arbitrary title chosen completely out of our control.
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Post by omega on Feb 2, 2016 8:28:49 GMT
How about starting with a run of stories from the first 50 with the Fifth/Sixth/Seventh/Eighth Doctor, either in release or chronological order? That'd give a good feel for how it would work here, and the stories from that selection are cheap and easy enough to obtain for people who don't have a lot of money to spend (literally $2.99 for between and hour and a half to two hours of audio). If a certain TARDIS team proves popular enough, their stories can be continued past #50.
We could try it with stories with a certain character or monsters. Daleks, Davros, Cybermen, Sontarans, the Master etc. A Dalek listen-through could or could not include Dalek Empire.
For a trial run, I suggest starting with the Doctor Who Stage Plays. There are only three and they are available for a cheap price. It's one of the more obscure and interesting ranges, so there would be a mixture of old and fresh views. Not to mention it's a far less obvious choice.
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Post by omega on Feb 2, 2016 8:39:37 GMT
I wouldn't expect to go through the MR in order anyway. The DS listen-thru didn't go in release order but focused on arcs like 1973 or Tony and Cassandra and that's the best way for it, I think. Short-run mini-series, arcs, trilogies... Josh and co on The Oncoming Storm are proving that a 1-200 listen isn't the best idea - they're really finding it a chore now. Would hate that to happen. The guys are Who Back When have been doing an 8DA listen thru for a while, too. They're also covering the New Adventures, effectively covering two Main Ranges and one New Adventure a month. The next NA is Head Games, and they're up to #78 Pier Pressure and #79 Night Thoughts with the Main Range (podcast from last week did War Doctor Only the Monstrous, Singularity and Other Lives). There are three or four people they have to get at the same time though, and connecting over the internet can be touch and go. At least they've finally finished talking about Star Wars. In the lead up to Force Awakens there wasn't a single episode without mention of it. The Doctor Who Podcast was doing an Eighth Doctor and Charley run, and had gotten out of the Divergent Universe before the podcast ended early last year. They were also covering the new Main Range and Fourth Doctor stories but fell behind. I guess that unless you've got lots of time on your hands, the only way to keep up is by focusing on one range of stories, and in podcasting that can be difficult.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 2, 2016 8:56:47 GMT
For a trial run, I suggest starting with the Doctor Who Stage Plays. There are only three and they are available for a cheap price. It's one of the more obscure and interesting ranges, so there would be a mixture of old and fresh views. Not to mention it's a far less obvious choice. Urgh ... they are not my favourites either Cheers Tony
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Post by mark687 on Feb 2, 2016 9:14:52 GMT
I just don't see the point in The Listeners now. It used to have an official forum thread and was supposed to encourage discussion. Now it gets a few FB likes, a retweet or two and a few "ordered this" posts. It's just a sale by any other name. I can see your point. They didn't even bother to justify why they chose Feast of Axos of all stories. The only Sixth Doctor release is a Short Trip narrated by Nicola Bryant, and there aren't any known returning monsters apart from the ever-present Daleks. The connection, if there is one at all, eludes me. The book club aspect became redundant when the forum went down (Facebook isn't the ideal platform to hold a discussion like a forum is), and I suspect that even by that point the book club aspect had quietened down. It certainly hasn't taken off here, something I hope this thread rectifies. Its the 45th Anniversery of Claws at the end of the month that's why BF picked it.
www.bigfinish.com/vortex/v/84
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Post by ljwilson on Feb 2, 2016 9:20:02 GMT
I just take it for what it is; a chance to get a BF story for £2.99 rather than £14.99.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 2, 2016 10:04:17 GMT
I re-listened to this a couple of months ago and I don't mind the story, but I just can't take to Thomas Brewster.
Cheers
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Post by kimalysong on Feb 2, 2016 11:09:43 GMT
Maybe we can do an Evelyn Smythe listen through in honor of Maggie Stables. And most of her audios start out pretty cheap.
But I think things like Bloodlust and hopefully Dorian work out because there ultimately aren't too many of them to get through.
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Post by Ela on Feb 2, 2016 11:27:51 GMT
I just take it for what it is; a chance to get a BF story for £2.99 rather than £14.99. Agreed. Truth be told, there wasn't really much discussion about the Listener's selection on the official forum, either. A couple posts, at most.
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