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Post by Whovitt on Jun 23, 2019 11:30:04 GMT
Slightly controversial one Apart from the Tennant Tate dynamic is Season 4 actually only average? Regards mark687 Are you saying you think Series 4 is or isn't better than average? I personally think it's the best series of the revival, though I know I'm probably pretty alone in that.
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 23, 2019 11:37:41 GMT
Slightly controversial one Apart from the Tennant Tate dynamic is Season 4 actually only average? Regards mark687 Certainly better that series 2. By a mile (but I never was a fan of Rose). And it has the awesome Forest of the Dead 2-parter and Turn left, which stand out. I would not say "average" per se.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 23, 2019 11:55:02 GMT
Slightly controversial one Apart from the Tennant Tate dynamic is Season 4 actually only average? Regards mark687 Are you saying you think Series 4 is or isn't better than average? I personally think it's the best series of the revival, though I know I'm probably pretty alone in that. Yes
Is it only average?
It was never my favourite season to start with but I've been watching some YouTube reviews lately and they all start along the lines of "Season 4 is my favourite Tennant and Tate are a great team" and after review they end with "Actually the more I think about it the Ep doesn't quite work though Tennant and Tate are still great".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 12:08:18 GMT
Are you saying you think Series 4 is or isn't better than average? I personally think it's the best series of the revival, though I know I'm probably pretty alone in that. Yes
Is it only average?
It was never my favourite season to start with but I've been watching some YouTube reviews lately and they all start along the lines of "Season 4 is my favourite Tennant and Tate are a great team" and after review they end with "Actually the more I think about it the Ep doesn't quite work though Tennant and Tate are still great".
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I think there's a bit of a mid-season slump - the Sontaran eps mostly - but it starts so well with Partners In Crime, Donna's character is served wonderfully by the Ood and Pompeii eps, there's the wonderful library eps and the stunning last 3 eps. It's EASILY the best RTD series for my money.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 23, 2019 12:29:13 GMT
Hello again.
Series 4? Definitely, my favourite Nu-Who series. Even the Sontaran story has its moments. Donna was a great companion. She made an effective foil to this most confident of Doctors.
Storywise: I think The Doctor's Daughter is for me the weakest story but again it's watchable. Midnight, Turn Left, Fires of Pompeii, Forest of the Dead, Partners in Crime, The Stolen Earth make it a solid season.
Everyone has their favourite series mine are Four and Ten, even though I was seriously spoilered.
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Post by shutupbanks on Jun 23, 2019 14:17:51 GMT
A controversial opinion I’ve been cultivating over the last few months:
There’s a season that features a newly regenerated Doctor that a lot of people have very strong feelings about. The Doctor is overly reliant on the sonic screwdriver, tries out a lot of “hip” slang, proclaims to the universe at large just how much they dislike weapons, makes a lot of facial expressions to get their point across, appears to be very distracted and hyperactive and has a few stories that really seem to push a social justice agenda.
I am, of course, referring to Series 2.
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 23, 2019 16:17:49 GMT
A controversial opinion I’ve been cultivating over the last few months: There’s a season that features a newly regenerated Doctor that a lot of people have very strong feelings about. The Doctor is overly reliant on the sonic screwdriver, tries out a lot of “hip” slang, proclaims to the universe at large just how much they dislike weapons, makes a lot of facial expressions to get their point across, appears to be very distracted and hyperactive and has a few stories that really seem to push a social justice agenda. I am, of course, referring to Series 2. Well, played, Sir, well played. I totally agree by the way.
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Post by timegirl on Jun 23, 2019 17:21:41 GMT
I actually think the line: “I don’t want to go” that 10 has in The end of Time is heart breaking and perfect for his character. Ten had a relatively short life span in-universe and he was feeling his mortality thinking that he only has one regeneration left. He felt as though there was so much more that he could do. Yes, Ten could be very vain at times but that was to do with a sense of underlying mortality and the the fact that that he wanted to stay the same person he was for Rose, and experience more through those eyes.
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 23, 2019 18:42:01 GMT
Hello again.
For me the best story of Series two was The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit. For once the Doctor doesn't have all the answers. It is an excellent example of the base under seige story. The Ood are a truly creepy creation and then you have the chilling voice of Gabriel Woolf as the Beast.
Every time I watch it, it spooks me out even though I know what's going to happen.
"The pit is open and I am free..."
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Post by timegirl on Jun 23, 2019 21:37:25 GMT
I find Oods, Yetis, and even Daleks unintentionally adorable🥰Something about there designs just makes me want to give them a hug 🤗even though most of them would likely kill me💀
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Post by doctorkernow on Jun 23, 2019 21:51:32 GMT
Hello again.
My wife and I would love an Ood butler Ă la Pond Life. Daleks nope but Yeti really cute. Also, my girls all wanted an Adipose when they were little. We got a toy one but unfortunately, they left it lieing on the floor and Kipper our dog thought it was an extraterrestrial threat and chewed it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 2:43:43 GMT
Oh, he's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. A fine actor (I've a great fondness for his Richelieu in The Musketeers) and a fine Doctor. Cool! It's certainly my favourite of the modern series. Where do you disagree? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. For some unfathomable reason, I have the impression that each series of New Who got better than the last (exception is series 11, but to be honest, I am not sure how they could have topped series 10). I agree that series 8 was experimental, but I think he got some great character development. I also do not see Clara as annoying as pretty much everyone (including my sister) did. I loved the little one-off pieces like the Caretaker and Robots and Mummy. The only time series 8 fell apart was in the very last episode. The built up was amazing, but that last episode left me completely underwhelmed. I think that Moffat was not happy with it, either, because he did exactly the same story again at the end of series 10, but then, he did everything right and it absolutely blew my mind. This is why I do not begrudge him the repetition.
I also do not agree that series 9 was standard... it was even better than series 8. Magicians Apprentice was great. And that guitar scene on the tank- one of my absolute favorite scenes in modern television. It is so completely out of place that it totally makes sense in a weird way. And I loved the Zygon speech, one of the things that make me cry every time. Very powerful. I also love the characterization of Osgood. The only thing I HATED with passion was the episode that shall not be named, you know, the one on Gallifrey. What were they even thinking? Although even that episode had an epic moment when the Doctor faces up to the gunship drawing a line in the sand.
I however agree with you that there is still more potential in the Trap Streets and of course we should find out one day who was behind the computer in Mummy.
I see some potential for Big Finish! Nothing unfathomable about it. Good you enjoyed it. Clara's one of those characters who I think I'll grow fond of through things like Big Finish. Her dynamic with Eleven is fairly straightforward, but the one with Twelve is on par with Sara Kingdom or Vizlor Turlough for unusualness. We could have an incredibly fascinating dynamic on our hands in the future there. One definitely to keep an eye on if/when it shows up. Graham got the character arc that I really would've liked them to explore in Series 9 after what happened in A Death in Heaven. Speaking of, I'm really glad Moffat decided to bring back Missy for that opening two-parter. She had me at that conversation in the cafe about friendship. Complex and dangerous with some wonderful little Alec Guinness-style staring off to the side, briefly distracted by a memory or a longtime thought. The guitar solo reminds me, actually, I'm just waiting for that audio story where we get Capaldi noodling on his axe against some unfathomable evil. Rock concert to the death!
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Post by tuigirl on Jun 24, 2019 7:32:09 GMT
For some unfathomable reason, I have the impression that each series of New Who got better than the last (exception is series 11, but to be honest, I am not sure how they could have topped series 10). I agree that series 8 was experimental, but I think he got some great character development. I also do not see Clara as annoying as pretty much everyone (including my sister) did. I loved the little one-off pieces like the Caretaker and Robots and Mummy. The only time series 8 fell apart was in the very last episode. The built up was amazing, but that last episode left me completely underwhelmed. I think that Moffat was not happy with it, either, because he did exactly the same story again at the end of series 10, but then, he did everything right and it absolutely blew my mind. This is why I do not begrudge him the repetition.
I also do not agree that series 9 was standard... it was even better than series 8. Magicians Apprentice was great. And that guitar scene on the tank- one of my absolute favorite scenes in modern television. It is so completely out of place that it totally makes sense in a weird way. And I loved the Zygon speech, one of the things that make me cry every time. Very powerful. I also love the characterization of Osgood. The only thing I HATED with passion was the episode that shall not be named, you know, the one on Gallifrey. What were they even thinking? Although even that episode had an epic moment when the Doctor faces up to the gunship drawing a line in the sand.
I however agree with you that there is still more potential in the Trap Streets and of course we should find out one day who was behind the computer in Mummy.
I see some potential for Big Finish! Nothing unfathomable about it. Good you enjoyed it. Clara's one of those characters who I think I'll grow fond of through things like Big Finish. Her dynamic with Eleven is fairly straightforward, but the one with Twelve is on par with Sara Kingdom or Vizlor Turlough for unusualness. We could have an incredibly fascinating dynamic on our hands in the future there. One definitely to keep an eye on if/when it shows up. Graham got the character arc that I really would've liked them to explore in Series 9 after what happened in A Death in Heaven. Speaking of, I'm really glad Moffat decided to bring back Missy for that opening two-parter. She had me at that conversation in the cafe about friendship. Complex and dangerous with some wonderful little Alec Guinness-style staring off to the side, briefly distracted by a memory or a longtime thought. The guitar solo reminds me, actually, I'm just waiting for that audio story where we get Capaldi noodling on his axe against some unfathomable evil. Rock concert to the death!We get that in one of the Titan comics and the BBC audio shortstory Rhythm of Destruction (read by Dan Starkey who does a very good Capaldi). Both were good, but neither were what I call amazing. So there is Big Finishes chance to step in...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 8:14:15 GMT
Nothing unfathomable about it. Good you enjoyed it. Clara's one of those characters who I think I'll grow fond of through things like Big Finish. Her dynamic with Eleven is fairly straightforward, but the one with Twelve is on par with Sara Kingdom or Vizlor Turlough for unusualness. We could have an incredibly fascinating dynamic on our hands in the future there. One definitely to keep an eye on if/when it shows up. Graham got the character arc that I really would've liked them to explore in Series 9 after what happened in A Death in Heaven. Speaking of, I'm really glad Moffat decided to bring back Missy for that opening two-parter. She had me at that conversation in the cafe about friendship. Complex and dangerous with some wonderful little Alec Guinness-style staring off to the side, briefly distracted by a memory or a longtime thought. The guitar solo reminds me, actually, I'm just waiting for that audio story where we get Capaldi noodling on his axe against some unfathomable evil. Rock concert to the death!We get that in one of the Titan comics and the BBC audio shortstory Rhythm of Destruction (read by Dan Starkey who does a very good Capaldi). Both were good, but neither were what I call amazing. So there is Big Finishes chance to step in... Given Big Finish's propensity for dabbling in experimental stories like The Pirates, Scherzo or Live 34... I'd love to see them do a concept album as a one-off special release, that'd be rather cool. This story that's being told partly through traditional dialogue, but largely through two dissenting sound designs. One for the Doctor, playing to free the world, the other for his adversary, seeking to keep it locked away. Duelling in a fantastical tug-of-war for its ultimate fate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 8:28:00 GMT
We get that in one of the Titan comics and the BBC audio shortstory Rhythm of Destruction (read by Dan Starkey who does a very good Capaldi). Both were good, but neither were what I call amazing. So there is Big Finishes chance to step in... Given Big Finish's propensity for dabbling in experimental stories like The Pirates, Scherzo or Live 34... I'd love to see them do a concept album as a one-off special release, that'd be rather cool. This story that's being told partly through traditional dialogue, but largely through two dissenting sound designs. One for the Doctor, playing to free the world, the other for his adversary, seeking to keep it locked away. Duelling in a fantastical tug-of-war for its ultimate fate. It's maybe a bit telling that of the 3 stories you cite to show the overtly experimental side of BF, the most recent is nearly 15 years old. I'm just not sure we'd get something as out-there as that now, though I love your idea. I'd maybe even do it a bit like the Special Features story from Demons Of Red Lodge, present the story as a Classic Albums documentary or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 1:43:06 GMT
Given Big Finish's propensity for dabbling in experimental stories like The Pirates, Scherzo or Live 34... I'd love to see them do a concept album as a one-off special release, that'd be rather cool. This story that's being told partly through traditional dialogue, but largely through two dissenting sound designs. One for the Doctor, playing to free the world, the other for his adversary, seeking to keep it locked away. Duelling in a fantastical tug-of-war for its ultimate fate. It's maybe a bit telling that of the 3 stories you cite to show the overtly experimental side of BF, the most recent is nearly 15 years old. I'm just not sure we'd get something as out-there as that now, though I love your idea. I'd maybe even do it a bit like the Special Features story from Demons Of Red Lodge, present the story as a Classic Albums documentary or something like that. I got to admit, I did struggle to come up with some more recent examples of structurally experimental stories. Things like Special Features, The Company of Friends, Of Chaos Time The and You Are the Doctor have turned up since then, but more full-length experimentation seems to have gone on outside of the Main Range these days (I can see the rock concert idea as this 60-70 minute special). The Invention of Death, for instance, might be the poster child for the new approach. While it's wildly experimental, it isn't playing around with its structure, so much as its substance and there's been a lot of that recently. Still... It's a good enough idea that I've a feeling someone's going to have a crack at it. If not Big Finish, then someone else.
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Post by Superium on Jun 30, 2019 19:54:22 GMT
For all its faults, Series 11 isn't my least favorite series. I'd rather watch it than Series 7, given the choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 20:22:06 GMT
The Capaldi era is the worst era of 'Nu-Who'.
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Post by Superium on Jul 7, 2019 2:41:40 GMT
Probably the least controversial thing I've said on this thread, but: - The Key to Time is my favorite Fourth Doctor season and a strong contender for his best season.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jul 7, 2019 3:45:38 GMT
I like Planet of Evil. It’s creepy, in fact it’s positively doomlaiden. The Doctor is heroic and clever. Sarah is inquisitive, compassionate and has the appropriate level of pluck. Wonderful supporting cast and touches of worldbuilding (like Vysinksi’s comment about having to play the last rites but not having to listen to them, it feels like a very “real person” sort of comment).
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