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Post by tuigirl on Sept 30, 2019 18:16:49 GMT
How much of falling in love with a human (yes, you too, River!) has to do with "settling"? In that when it happens, as far as the Doctor knows, there are NO TIMELORDS LEFT. (No,the novels/comics DON't count, and 8's declaration of love to Charley Pollard is not romantic, even though her side of it probably is.) This is a VERY good thought!
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Sept 30, 2019 19:40:37 GMT
Well, there’s always Aunty Iris.
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Post by Superium on Oct 4, 2019 23:38:39 GMT
I'm tired of always hearing 'Capaldi was let down by bad writing' and 'It's a shame The Capaldi Era was plagued by bad writing'. You know who was plagued by bad writing? SMITH! With the exception of Doctor's Wife, Girl Who Waited, God Complex, and maybe the S6 opener, there's not really anything interesting to go back to outside of Series 5.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 5, 2019 2:11:34 GMT
I'm tired of always hearing 'Capaldi was let down by bad writing' and 'It's a shame The Capaldi Era was plagued by bad writing'. You know who was plagued by bad writing? SMITH! With the exception of Doctor's Wife, Girl Who Waited, God Complex, and maybe the S6 opener, there's not really anything interesting to go back to outside of Series 5. I’m pretty much over people complaining about “bad writing.” It’s code for “I don’t like what was happening here” I’ve found. The #notmydoctor crowd often spout it when they don’t want to look like sexist gits as a reason for why they don’t like the most recent season. It’s like when people say that Tolkien needed an editor because there were hardly any women characters or that there was too much focus on scenery: it says a lot about the concerns of that person, not about Tolkien. To get back to Who, Capaldi had a lot of the same writing and production team as Smith so I think that it might be that the commenters prefer Smith to Capaldi and only notice allegedly poor writing when it’s coupled with a Doctor they don’t like as much. Frankly, I think that Capaldi had a better handle on the part from the get go than nearly anyone else cast in it because it was a role he had been preparing for all his life. And (also frankly) EVERY Doctor has been plagued by inconsistent/ bad writing. It’s a straw man phrase to express your dissatisfaction with an era/ actor/ production team. I mean, how can you look at Twin Dilemma and Time And The Rani or The Movie and then watch The Woman Who Fell To Earth or Deep Breath and say “yeah, I think Capaldi/ Whittaker had bad writers.” </rant>
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 8:08:29 GMT
years ago I’d imagined there to be a component in every TARDIS called the Relative Time Inhibitor. Its function was to ensure that if two Time Lords landed within proximity of each other, it would be at a point consistent with both of their personal timestreams. And that’s why the TV adventures with the Master always happened in the order in which they were aired. Alas BF well and truly broke that with some of their stories, so I guess the RTI malfunctioned along the way. That's honestly an awesome theory. Malfunctioning or not. In a similar vein, that external hum Ian and Barbara encounter for the first time in An Unearthly Child was actually a bug rather than a feature. The first sign the Ship was malfunctioning. It represents a series of external functions that became "jammed" not too long after arriving on Earth. One of these was an automatic camera detector. Analogue or digital. For traditional film, it would cook the emulsion in the camera with otherwise harmless radiation making the reel impossible to develop. Linked into the chameleon circuit, sometimes this mechanism works, sometimes it doesn't.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 7, 2019 20:02:45 GMT
I'm tired of always hearing 'Capaldi was let down by bad writing' and 'It's a shame The Capaldi Era was plagued by bad writing'. You know who was plagued by bad writing? SMITH! With the exception of Doctor's Wife, Girl Who Waited, God Complex, and maybe the S6 opener, there's not really anything interesting to go back to outside of Series 5. Perhaps for those of us who don't like the direction things often took under Moffat, it's not so much "Capaldi plagued by bad writing" but "Smith and Capaldi plagued by bad top-down-influence."
Didn't Moffat (doesn't every) showrunner edit scripts in addition to writing some of his own? I've posted far too much complaints about him, which are now even more moot than they were then, so I won't go through it all, but yeah, I feel both were seriously let down. I was genuinely excited for S6 after seeing S5 (I actually rediscovered the show something like eight months before S6 aired; I had no idea it'd been rebooted. Got my wife into it and everything). And then......and then....
And then I was excited when Capaldi got the role. And then......and then...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 20:11:54 GMT
I'm tired of always hearing 'Capaldi was let down by bad writing' and 'It's a shame The Capaldi Era was plagued by bad writing'. You know who was plagued by bad writing? SMITH! With the exception of Doctor's Wife, Girl Who Waited, God Complex, and maybe the S6 opener, there's not really anything interesting to go back to outside of Series 5. Then I guess it must have been bad acting then. Worst Dr of Nu Who. Absolutely abysmal. I have no desire to watch any of it again. EVER!
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Post by polly on Oct 7, 2019 22:08:12 GMT
I'm tired of always hearing 'Capaldi was let down by bad writing' and 'It's a shame The Capaldi Era was plagued by bad writing'. You know who was plagued by bad writing? SMITH! With the exception of Doctor's Wife, Girl Who Waited, God Complex, and maybe the S6 opener, there's not really anything interesting to go back to outside of Series 5. I tend to agree. Capaldi was still grappling with the Moffat regime's foibles, but it was Matt Smith that had the worst of it. Like you said, beyond Series 5, his era became a convoluted mess, the flaws of which they tried to disguise with fairy tale whimsy. His last year was a real trial to get through.
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Post by Whovitt on Oct 8, 2019 2:38:01 GMT
I'm tired of always hearing 'Capaldi was let down by bad writing' and 'It's a shame The Capaldi Era was plagued by bad writing'. You know who was plagued by bad writing? SMITH! With the exception of Doctor's Wife, Girl Who Waited, God Complex, and maybe the S6 opener, there's not really anything interesting to go back to outside of Series 5. It's interesting you mention that. I've seen both Smith and Capaldi being said to have suffered from bad writing, but when I do I interpret it very differently. When I see people saying Smith suffered from bad writing, I take it to mean the person saying so thinks the stories weren't very good. They'll say (like you have) there a number of stories they liked, but that the rest of it wasn't very good. When I see people saying Capaldi suffered from bad writing, I take it to mean the person saying so thinks that his characterisation wasn't very good. More often than not, people talk about the bad writing in Capaldi's era is the explanation for why his Doctor had a massive character change between Series 8 and 9, and how he became more and more like Smith's Doctor. I'm not sure why I make these assumptions, but reading people's reasoning for these statements I'm almost always correct. So, weirdly, likening people saying Smith's time was plagued by bad writing and Capaldi's time was plagued by bad writing is actually like comparing apples and oranges. They may use the same words but the meanings are (generally, not always, but generally) quite different.
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Post by timegirl on Oct 19, 2019 3:40:59 GMT
I think Jodie Whittaker makes a really good Doctor. She has a very quirky and warm personality, as well as proper authority. I just think the writing for her was a bit uneven. I think next season they just need to explore more aspects of her personality while still keeping her affability and quirks. I also don’t think Series 11 was terrible, in fact there were some standout episodes as well as small moments of brilliance. Yes, I do think they should have made some episodes two parters such as “The Witchfinders” and “It Takes You Away”. Yes, sometimes the Tardis team felt a bit uneven at times. Yes, the finale did suck with it’s lack of an actual battle. But, we also had amazing scenes like: when Thirteen makes her screwdriver, the Tardis reveal of the ghost monument, the ending of “Rosa”,all of “Demons of the Punjab”,the Kerblam robots, King James, the beautiful scene between the Solitract and the Doctor, the terrifying body horror of the Dalek in “Resolution”, and any and everything to do with Graham! There are many more brilliant moments in series 11. Yes, this past season had it’s fair share of growing pains, but no more so than many other series of Doctor Who, classic era included. I for one am excited by what Series 12 has to offer!
On a side note my theory of who the timeless child is Susan. Think about it?
On another side note I am convinced that U.N.I.T. being cut due to BREXIT actually is part of a plan of the Master that requires Earth and the Doctor to be more vulnerable for some reason.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Oct 19, 2019 7:34:34 GMT
It annoys me no end that the super special having powers never seen before Dalek in “Resolution” is “an early model, one of the first to leave Skaro”.... you mean from before they met the Doctor and discovered alien life? It shouldn’t KNOW who the Dcotor is at all then. Or from after than .... when they were all static electricity powered?
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 19, 2019 9:07:43 GMT
I think Jodie Whittaker makes a really good Doctor. She has a very quirky and warm personality, as well as proper authority. I just think the writing for her was a bit uneven. I think next season they just need to explore more aspects of her personality while still keeping her affability and quirks. I also don’t think Series 11 was terrible, in fact there were some standout episodes as well as small moments of brilliance. Yes, I do think they should have made some episodes two parters such as “The Witchfinders” and “It Takes You Away”. Yes, sometimes the Tardis team felt a bit uneven at times. Yes, the finale did suck with it’s lack of an actual battle. But, we also had amazing scenes like: when Thirteen makes her screwdriver, the Tardis reveal of the ghost monument, the ending of “Rosa”,all of “Demons of the Punjab”,the Kerblam robots, King James, the beautiful scene between the Solitract and the Doctor, the terrifying body horror of the Dalek in “Resolution”, and any and everything to do with Graham! There are many more brilliant moments in series 11. Yes, this past season had it’s fair share of growing pains, but no more so than many other series of Doctor Who, classic era included. I for one am excited by what Series 12 has to offer! On a side note my theory of who the timeless child is Susan. Think about it? On another side note I am convinced that U.N.I.T. being cut due to BREXIT actually is part of a plan of the Master that requires Earth and the Doctor to be more vulnerable for some reason. Amen. My thoughts exactly. While I did not exactly "love" series 11, I also do not understand all the hate against it (apart from the fact that there will always be spiteful idiots on the internet). Many people have enjoyed it and if the series got a lot of spotlight and viewers appreciation, this surely is a good thing? Enabling the future of the series?
Haha, yeah, Susan also was my first thought when I heard "timeless child". And Carol Ann Ford was asked last weekend if she would come back as Susan, and she very definitely said "Yes"... (if they asked her)
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 19, 2019 9:09:48 GMT
It annoys me no end that the super special having powers never seen before Dalek in “Resolution” is “an early model, one of the first to leave Skaro”.... you mean from before they met the Doctor and discovered alien life? It shouldn’t KNOW who the Dcotor is at all then. Or from after than .... when they were all static electricity powered? Interesting. You know what? When I first saw the episode, that was also what irked me. It did not really annoy me too much, but it raised a question mark. The thought I got from this was... maybe Davros told the Daleks about the Doctor? Or programmed the Doctor as "Enemy number one" into his creations?
Is that possible? Has been a while since I watched Genesis.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 19, 2019 9:16:43 GMT
It annoys me no end that the super special having powers never seen before Dalek in “Resolution” is “an early model, one of the first to leave Skaro”.... you mean from before they met the Doctor and discovered alien life? It shouldn’t KNOW who the Dcotor is at all then. Or from after than .... when they were all static electricity powered? If it was one of the first to leave Skaro, then it would have left after the Doctor made them aware of alien life. Prior to the Doctor’s visit, the Daleks would have had no reason to leave Skaro. I’d guess as it was a Reconnaissance Dalek it had special power supply-or alternatively it found some car batteries in that garage where it reassembled it’s casings and used those instead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 10:36:47 GMT
It annoys me no end that the super special having powers never seen before Dalek in “Resolution” is “an early model, one of the first to leave Skaro”.... you mean from before they met the Doctor and discovered alien life? It shouldn’t KNOW who the Dcotor is at all then. Or from after than .... when they were all static electricity powered? If it was one of the first to leave Skaro, then it would have left after the Doctor made them aware of alien life. Prior to the Doctor’s visit, the Daleks would have had no reason to leave Skaro. I’d guess as it was a Reconnaissance Dalek it had special power supply-or alternatively it found some car batteries in that garage where it reassembled it’s casings and used those instead. Interesting question leading on from this... When were the Daleks first made aware of the Time Lords? Davros seems pretty well-versed in how they operate by the time of Resurrection and Davros, almost immediately after it (enough to know that the Time Lords are aristocrats), but he displays no knowledge of them in Genesis or Destiny. Did he learn who they were from that datasphere of Dalek defeats when fighting the Movellans? Did Lytton brief him after he'd been revived from stasis?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 19, 2019 13:23:29 GMT
If it was one of the first to leave Skaro, then it would have left after the Doctor made them aware of alien life. Prior to the Doctor’s visit, the Daleks would have had no reason to leave Skaro. I’d guess as it was a Reconnaissance Dalek it had special power supply-or alternatively it found some car batteries in that garage where it reassembled it’s casings and used those instead. Interesting question leading on from this... When were the Daleks first made aware of the Time Lords? Davros seems pretty well-versed in how they operate by the time of Resurrection and Davros, almost immediately after it (enough to know that the Time Lords are aristocrats), but he displays no knowledge of them in Genesis or Destiny. Did he learn who they were from that datasphere of Dalek defeats when fighting the Movellans? Did Lytton brief him after he'd been revived from stasis? Was there anything in the DWM comics that may have revealed how he found out?
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Post by iainmclaughlin on Oct 20, 2019 0:16:51 GMT
I've never understood the appeal of the character of Ace.
Sorry.
I now expect to be hunted down and burned as a heretic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 9:30:56 GMT
I've never understood the appeal of the character of Ace. I now expect to be hunted down and burned as a heretic. Not at all, I'd be in the same camp. I think Ace is way overrated too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 10:01:08 GMT
Interesting question leading on from this... When were the Daleks first made aware of the Time Lords? Davros seems pretty well-versed in how they operate by the time of Resurrection and Davros, almost immediately after it (enough to know that the Time Lords are aristocrats), but he displays no knowledge of them in Genesis or Destiny. Did he learn who they were from that datasphere of Dalek defeats when fighting the Movellans? Did Lytton brief him after he'd been revived from stasis? Was there anything in the DWM comics that may have revealed how he found out? *shakes head* Nada. It's still one of those unexplored things, like how the Cyberleader knows the Doctor personally in Earthshock. If The Five Doctors is anything to go by, the Time Lords themselves have certainly known about the Daleks for a while. Theirs was a species considered too dangerous to be sporting for the Death Zone. A running theory I have is that the Time Lords's more, shall we say, proactive stance on the development of time travel (*cough* The Two Doctors, The Apocalypse Element *uncough*) by the time of Five/Six is starting to catch a few eyes. Maybe the Daleks put two-and-two together through intelligence gathering?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 21, 2019 12:34:39 GMT
Was there anything in the DWM comics that may have revealed how he found out? *shakes head* Nada. It's still one of those unexplored things, like how the Cyberleader knows the Doctor personally in Earthshock. If The Five Doctors is anything to go by, the Time Lords themselves have certainly known about the Daleks for a while. Theirs was a species considered too dangerous to be sporting for the Death Zone. A running theory I have is that the Time Lords's more, shall we say, proactive stance on the development of time travel (*cough* The Two Doctors, The Apocalypse Element *uncough*) by the time of Five/Six is starting to catch a few eyes. Maybe the Daleks put two-and-two together through intelligence gathering? That would make sense.
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