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Dec 7, 2016 18:15:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 18:15:46 GMT
But do you think they're reasonable and rational like that? It's a very nice thought to think that it'd stop them, but I'm afraid it wouldn't. I believe there's a person in there somewhere. What? Mad men, who don't abide to the rules of faith and will kill. Do you think that they would sell their soul to the devil, in theory, and reason with you? These are people who say that they are killing for Allah, but the Quran itself doesn't agree with them. These people are gross manipulators, who would never listen. Giving them a speech from a person with the opposite views of them will help?
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Dec 7, 2016 18:17:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 18:17:37 GMT
If I ended up in the same room as a terrorist in real life, I would definitely try to reason with them. I'm being honest here. I would tell them to think about all the kids and families they'll take away by acts of terror, ask them if it's really worth it. I'm going to tell you what they would tell you, but much nicer than they would, so please don't be offended at me, this is what I think they would say. If I kill the child of an enemy I will be a hero in the eyes of allah, for I will have taken the life of a future enemy of my god. All blasphemers will die, allah will be praised, and all who do not worship allah are the enemy of allah and they all deserve death. Women who show their face in public should be beaten and then stoned for allah, women who speak to any but their husband should have their throats cut for allah, I am willing to die if I can take just 1 non believer with me, so the more I can take the more blessed I will be. Praise allah. This is a bad impersonation of a far gone radical Muslim. They will kill you, and wont care one bit if they kill your kids, your family, your neighbors and everyone you know. These nutjobs make the daleks look like Mary freakin Poppins. And if you went over there, they would film you while they cut your throat, after they made you confess that you were an infidel who came to see them as a spy, and make you praise allah. They would then post the film on the internet, and then cut off your head, put it on a spike and put it in a prominent place to encourage others to come and see them. You cant reason with these people, you cant reason with that much hate. You can only wipe it out, and until we as a united people wipe it out, they will keep killing us, as many as a time as they can. And it's only a matter of time before it finally gets around to everyone in the free world. The only people safe from terrorists are the dead, and the unborn. Everyone else can and will be gotten to, eventually. I must agree. These people aren't people of their religion. These are people gone mad. These are people who would use their own religion as a scapegoat for their attacks. These people are the true scum of society. And I must agree with President-Elect Trumps's recent statements about stopping the Islamic State, instead of fighting to be the most powerful nation.
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Dec 7, 2016 18:20:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 18:20:14 GMT
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, which makes up about 23% of the population on the planet, of which security experts estimate about 110,000 identify with extremist organizations that are radicalized, which breaks out to .006625%. So please be very careful when you refer to anyone as "they" or "those people." Here in the US we have the most socially integrated and least radicalized Muslim population in the west. Muslims are not our enemies, they are our allies in this fight. Do not give in to hate filled rhetoric because honestly, that is what the enemy wants. I'm afraid, if you are inferring my posts, you are mistaken. I am relating to the terrorist organisations, not the actual religion. In fact, the religion itself is just as acceptable as most others. Personally, I'm agnostic, so don't have an opinion. Also, I have a feeling that your numbers are potentially wrong, since the security experts won't know all of the terrorists. In fact, it will likely be a fraction. Then there are the people who believe in them, but won't do anything proactive about it. I'm just saying on that one, not that I disagree with what your point is.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Dec 7, 2016 18:50:31 GMT
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, which makes up about 23% of the population on the planet, of which security experts estimate about 110,000 identify with extremist organizations that are radicalized, which breaks out to .006625%. So please be very careful when you refer to anyone as "they" or "those people." Here in the US we have the most socially integrated and least radicalized Muslim population in the west. Muslims are not our enemies, they are our allies in this fight. Do not give in to hate filled rhetoric because honestly, that is what the enemy wants. I'm afraid, if you are inferring my posts, you are mistaken. I am relating to the terrorist organisations, not the actual religion. In fact, the religion itself is just as acceptable as most others. Personally, I'm agnostic, so don't have an opinion. Also, I have a feeling that your numbers are potentially wrong, since the security experts won't know all of the terrorists. In fact, it will likely be a fraction. Then there are the people who believe in them, but won't do anything proactive about it. I'm just saying on that one, not that I disagree with what your point is. If I don't quote someone, it isn't directed at anyone specific. And while I agree there is no way to know exactly how many people are radicalized, since you can't even get consensus on how many Muslims there are in the world...the estimates go from 1.3 to 1.6 billion, your point, and mine, remains the same. We are talking about a fraction, and a small one of that, that are inclined to commit violence. To paint almost 99% of people who practicing Muslims with one brush is stupid, short-sighted and counter-productive to our fight against the less than one percent that would harm us. But there we are in a country that has just elected Donald Trump. And I hear you. If I didn't have Cthulhu, I would not believe in anything at all.
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Dec 7, 2016 19:42:17 GMT
Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 7, 2016 19:42:17 GMT
I believe there's a person in there somewhere. What? Mad men, who don't abide to the rules of faith and will kill. Do you think that they would sell their soul to the devil, in theory, and reason with you? These are people who say that they are killing for Allah, but the Quran itself doesn't agree with them. These people are gross manipulators, who would never listen. Giving them a speech from a person with the opposite views of them will help? It might if you plead with the person inside IE the last bit of humanity remaining.
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Dec 7, 2016 19:48:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 19:48:23 GMT
What? Mad men, who don't abide to the rules of faith and will kill. Do you think that they would sell their soul to the devil, in theory, and reason with you? These are people who say that they are killing for Allah, but the Quran itself doesn't agree with them. These people are gross manipulators, who would never listen. Giving them a speech from a person with the opposite views of them will help? It might if you plead with the person inside IE the last bit of humanity remaining. But how?
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Dec 7, 2016 20:30:46 GMT
Post by dalekbuster523finish on Dec 7, 2016 20:30:46 GMT
It might if you plead with the person inside IE the last bit of humanity remaining. But how? By showing them how many lives their actions will damage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 22:01:14 GMT
Anyway, hold on one minute! A few post back you advocated violence to "teach the government a lesson" but now you adopting a pacifist stance when it comes to foreign governments? I don't have any beef with foreign governments, only our own. Have you considered emigration then? Not trying to be rude, serious point. If you don't like the UK system there are other countries to choose from. Move to Ireland now and you may find you get protection post Brexit to remain in the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 22:02:43 GMT
You're one-hundred per cent right. It'll give an excuse to put them down. It doesn't really help that the parties on the libertarian side don't have much on the side of democracy, to be fair. I mean, like it or not, if we were to have a second referendum, the results would probably be very similar. And we are in a democratic government. Brexit's very likely to happen and, if it doesn't, there will probably be riots and more reason for people to go against the left-wing politicians in 2020. I don't know much about Brexit, it's hard enough trying to keep up with our politics, but I do know a thing or 2 about riots, and one of the biggest is, it hurts the people in the local community, the business's that cant afford to be in business already, but are there for the community, to try to improve the area, and because it's where they come from. It hurts the folks who live in the community, and it does absolutely nothing to the government in which folks are ticked off with to start the whole dang thang. They make a few speeches, cry a crocodile tear or 2, then figure out another way to rip the working folks off. That's what politicians, every dang one of em, liberal and conservative do. (ive been preaching vote anti-incumbent for over a decade now, cause we need lifetime politician like we need cock roaches.) Anyway, riots are never an answer, just another problem, for folks who already have enough of em. I used to live in Bradford and have spent some nights avoiding town as there were riots going on. Not something to wish on anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 22:05:44 GMT
By showing them how many lives their actions will damage. You're not seeing it from their perspective. They feel they're right and you're the evil one. They're trying to persuade you to convert and if you don't then your life is worth nothing.
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Dec 7, 2016 22:34:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 22:34:13 GMT
I don't have any beef with foreign governments, only our own. Have you considered emigration then? Not trying to be rude, serious point. If you don't like the UK system there are other countries to choose from. Move to Ireland now and you may find you get protection post Brexit to remain in the EU. Hey! Why Ireland? Europe is a big place. What's wrong with France or Germany?
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Post by muckypup on Dec 7, 2016 23:30:33 GMT
Have you considered emigration then? Not trying to be rude, serious point. If you don't like the UK system there are other countries to choose from. Move to Ireland now and you may find you get protection post Brexit to remain in the EU. Hey! Why Ireland? Europe is a big place. What's wrong with France or Germany? What's wrong with France & Germany! There foreigners that don't speak English only joking, Germany is a beautiful place & where I have been made very welcome & some of the kindest most hospitable people. now France on the other hand......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 6:46:00 GMT
Have you considered emigration then? Not trying to be rude, serious point. If you don't like the UK system there are other countries to choose from. Move to Ireland now and you may find you get protection post Brexit to remain in the EU. Hey! Why Ireland? Europe is a big place. What's wrong with France or Germany? Thought of it mainly because of English language prevalence and the number of people who've been applying for Irish passports recently.
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Dec 8, 2016 8:02:25 GMT
Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 8, 2016 8:02:25 GMT
Hey! Why Ireland? Europe is a big place. What's wrong with France or Germany? What's wrong with France & Germany! There foreigners that don't speak English only joking, Germany is a beautiful place & where I have been made very welcome & some of the kindest most hospitable people. now France on the other hand...... Now, that was funny, I don't care who you are. There's a Sonic commercial playing over here, and one man asks another to name another country, he says Florida, but Florida's a state, the other says, well, it seems like a totally different country, and he's right. Course I'm from Tennessee, and we say, all the nuts roll downhill to Florida.
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Dec 8, 2016 11:28:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 11:28:09 GMT
Hey! Why Ireland? Europe is a big place. What's wrong with France or Germany? now France on the other hand......
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Dec 8, 2016 20:16:09 GMT
Post by Ela on Dec 8, 2016 20:16:09 GMT
There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, which makes up about 23% of the population on the planet, of which security experts estimate about 110,000 identify with extremist organizations that are radicalized, which breaks out to .006625%. So please be very careful when you refer to anyone as "they" or "those people." Here in the US we have the most socially integrated and least radicalized Muslim population in the west. Muslims are not our enemies, they are our allies in this fight. Do not give in to hate filled rhetoric because honestly, that is what the enemy wants. Well said.
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Jan 6, 2017 14:35:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 14:35:35 GMT
This country is doomed now.
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Jan 6, 2017 18:08:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 18:08:09 GMT
This country is doomed now. Never heard that before...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 19:02:44 GMT
This country is doomed now. In comparison to yesterday? What changed?
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Jan 6, 2017 19:21:51 GMT
Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 6, 2017 19:21:51 GMT
By showing them how many lives their actions will damage. You're not seeing it from their perspective. They feel they're right and you're the evil one. They're trying to persuade you to convert and if you don't then your life is worth nothing. Alright, here's what I'd do then. I'd send a speaker dressed as Allah to deliberately mislead them into believing their God has come and he would order them to cease the pointless killing. This would be achieved through clever trickery such as hidden smoke machines and clear surfaces placed from a distance away from the terrorists to make it look like he is floating towards them.
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