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Jan 6, 2017 19:49:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 19:49:17 GMT
You're not seeing it from their perspective. They feel they're right and you're the evil one. They're trying to persuade you to convert and if you don't then your life is worth nothing. Alright, here's what I'd do then. I'd send a speaker dressed as Allah to deliberately mislead them into believing their God has come and he would order them to cease the pointless killing. This would be achieved through clever trickery such as hidden smoke machines and clear surfaces placed from a distance away from the terrorists to make it look like he is floating towards them. Because that would work...
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 6, 2017 20:07:50 GMT
Alright, here's what I'd do then. I'd send a speaker dressed as Allah to deliberately mislead them into believing their God has come and he would order them to cease the pointless killing. This would be achieved through clever trickery such as hidden smoke machines and clear surfaces placed from a distance away from the terrorists to make it look like he is floating towards them. Because that would work... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, don't encourage, um dalekbuster... Can I ask, Dalekbuster, are you a he or a she? cause I didn't know how to finish the above sentence, your avatar is so, um, ambiguous. Anyone else remember Pat from SNL? What was it? other than human? I actually ran into one of those today, I don't mind anyone in the LGBT community, but please, when I am talking to a cashier and I don't know if I'm offending them by saying yes maam or yes sir, there might be a problem. What can we come up with to call them, yes shmaam, or yes mir. Cause all my life ive said sir and maam, and I cant break the habit. Off topic again, what am I drinking today, it's really good.
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Post by jasonward on Jan 6, 2017 23:31:29 GMT
Anyone else remember Pat from SNL? What was it? other than human? I actually ran into one of those today, I don't mind anyone in the LGBT community, but please, when I am talking to a cashier and I don't know if I'm offending them by saying yes maam or yes sir, there might be a problem. What can we come up with to call them, yes shmaam, or yes mir. Cause all my life ive said sir and maam, and I cant break the habit. In this context, what you call someone entirely depends on whether you really are concerned about not offending them, or wether your more concerned about your own comfort. If its the former you will adapt your speech to suit, if it's the later you will continue with your speech as it is.
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Jan 7, 2017 1:19:52 GMT
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Post by shutupbanks on Jan 7, 2017 1:19:52 GMT
Because that would work... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, don't encourage, um dalekbuster... Can I ask, Dalekbuster, are you a he or a she? cause I didn't know how to finish the above sentence, your avatar is so, um, ambiguous. Anyone else remember Pat from SNL? What was it? other than human? I actually ran into one of those today, I don't mind anyone in the LGBT community, but please, when I am talking to a cashier and I don't know if I'm offending them by saying yes maam or yes sir, there might be a problem. What can we come up with to call them, yes shmaam, or yes mir. Cause all my life ive said sir and maam, and I cant break the habit. Off topic again, what am I drinking today, it's really good. My eldest child identifies as trans and they advise that if someone is wearing a nametag, you can address them by their name. Failing that, just say "thank you" without the "sir" or "ma'am." I feel your pain because I've always seen myself as being an accepting and non-sexist individual but the last couple of years have shown me that I often do treat people differently because of their gender.
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Jan 7, 2017 2:36:59 GMT
Post by ulyssessarcher on Jan 7, 2017 2:36:59 GMT
Anyone else remember Pat from SNL? What was it? other than human? I actually ran into one of those today, I don't mind anyone in the LGBT community, but please, when I am talking to a cashier and I don't know if I'm offending them by saying yes maam or yes sir, there might be a problem. What can we come up with to call them, yes shmaam, or yes mir. Cause all my life ive said sir and maam, and I cant break the habit. In this context, what you call someone entirely depends on whether you really are concerned about not offending them, or wether your more concerned about your own comfort. If its the former you will adapt your speech to suit, if it's the later you will continue with your speech as it is. I get truly worried about offending folks, I know I have called a maam a sir and vice versa, I guess my comfort is involved...Ok, back in the 90's I knew a girl that worked in a convenient store, we had an ok relationship, I was in there every morning, one morning she had a bigger shirt on that made her look pregnant, without thinking, and because she looked pregnant, I asked when she was due....HUGE MISTAKE...I had to find a different store every morning, sometimes my mouth outruns my brain.
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Jan 7, 2017 9:49:22 GMT
Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 7, 2017 9:49:22 GMT
Alright, here's what I'd do then. I'd send a speaker dressed as Allah to deliberately mislead them into believing their God has come and he would order them to cease the pointless killing. This would be achieved through clever trickery such as hidden smoke machines and clear surfaces placed from a distance away from the terrorists to make it look like he is floating towards them. Because that would work... If their God told them in person to cease the pointless killing, why would they betray him?
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Jan 7, 2017 11:48:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 11:48:27 GMT
Because that would work... If their God told them in person to cease the pointless killing, why would they betray him?Do you think they're that gullible?
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Jan 7, 2017 11:52:32 GMT
Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 7, 2017 11:52:32 GMT
If their God told them in person to cease the pointless killing, why would they betray him? Do you think they're that gullible? Probably not, but it's just the tactic I'd use because I don't believe in using guns and fighting over peaceful solutions.
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Jan 7, 2017 16:33:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 16:33:01 GMT
Do you think they're that gullible? Probably not, but it's just the tactic I'd use because I don't believe in using guns and fighting over peaceful solutions. What if that's the only way...
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Jan 7, 2017 16:44:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 16:44:07 GMT
Like I've said politics & religion cause more wars than anything else which is why i I'm not religious.
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Jan 7, 2017 18:20:43 GMT
Post by dalekbuster523finish on Jan 7, 2017 18:20:43 GMT
Probably not, but it's just the tactic I'd use because I don't believe in using guns and fighting over peaceful solutions. What if that's the only way... Then I would die trying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 20:13:33 GMT
What if that's the only way... Then I would die trying. While I applaud your moral stance, I'm grateful millions of brave young people took a different position in the two world wars.
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Post by Ela on Jan 8, 2017 18:19:45 GMT
Like I've said politics & religion cause more wars than anything else which is why i I'm not religious. The religion and politics aren't necessarily the problem, it's those who hold extreme views. Just saying.
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Jan 8, 2017 21:28:39 GMT
Post by jasonward on Jan 8, 2017 21:28:39 GMT
Like I've said politics & religion cause more wars than anything else which is why i I'm not religious. The religion and politics aren't necessarily the problem, it's those who hold extreme views. Just saying. I don't think it's politics at all, in any form, politics is just the name we give speech, argument and rhetoric with varying opinions and those that organise such things, making an argument that politics is part of the root cause of evil in the world is in of itself politics. On the other side of the same hand, of course politics is associated with war, it would be a very strange war indeed where the belligerents had not difference of opinion, had not spoken and had no idea either what their own points of view was let alone what the enemies were. Politics doesn't cause war, it's just the name we give to "conflict" that doesn't (normally at least) involve violence. Whilst it would be possible to in theory at least to remove all religion from the world (although when does superstition become religion anyway?), you couldn't do the same for politics without lobotomising the entire race, which would be (amongst other things) a political act in of itself.
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Jan 8, 2017 21:54:35 GMT
Post by icecreamdf on Jan 8, 2017 21:54:35 GMT
Do you think they're that gullible? Probably not, but it's just the tactic I'd use because I don't believe in using guns and fighting over peaceful solutions. While I am oppossed to violence, tricking people is barely a better option. Besides, even if everyone did believe you were Allah (which they wouldn't), people would still find other excuses to kill eachother.
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Jan 8, 2017 21:59:20 GMT
Post by icecreamdf on Jan 8, 2017 21:59:20 GMT
Because that would work... Can I ask, Dalekbuster, are you a he or a she? cause I didn't know how to finish the above sentence, your avatar is so, um, ambiguous. He's got a male symbol in the lower right corner of his avatar. That's what I usually use if I want to know the gender of somebody on here. It is potentially confusing that we only get two options to fill in for gender though. I don't know what somebody who doesn't identify as male or female is suppossed to do.
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Jan 8, 2017 22:08:30 GMT
Post by doctorkernow on Jan 8, 2017 22:08:30 GMT
Is not everything relative?
What you call extremism,to me is ridding the world of decadent aggressive regime-changers. You have innocent blood on your hands too, there is no difference between us.
Are there moral absolutes? What you consider abhorrent, to me is reasonable behaviour. Behaviour that you think is perfectly acceptable to me is unacceptable. Which of us is right?
If we are no more than animals such luxuries as civilisation and society become irrelevant.
You only need to scratch the skin to reveal our true selfish desires. It is a battlefield, survival of the fittest and there is no right and wrong. Only alive or dead.
Human constructs such as religion or politics or ethics are irrational and irrelevant. The common good? It doesn't exist because everyone's view of good is different. It is whatever the majority say is good.
Who has the absolute authority to dictate what is acceptable and what is not?
It is the person with the biggest stick and the biggest army.
Utopia does not exist and never will because everyone has their own selfish desires that are paramount.
The sooner people stop pretending they are anything more than complex animals with a exaggerated sense of their own importance the better...
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Jan 8, 2017 22:19:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 22:19:39 GMT
Probably not, but it's just the tactic I'd use because I don't believe in using guns and fighting over peaceful solutions. While I am opposed to violence, tricking people is barely a better option. Besides, even if everyone did believe you were Allah (which they wouldn't), people would still find other excuses to kill each other. Sad, but unfortunately rather true. You'll often find that religion and politics are just civilisation's way of covering up very basic wants the emotions that spur on from that. Human beings love having someone to blame for life's vagaries and if they aren't blaming themselves, then they're doing it to each other. The difference between your common garden variety murderer and a soldier is essentially one of permission and one of intent. To kill someone in the name of country is acceptable, even still laudable in some societies, but to kill for your own benefit is seen as a horrific act. The two are the same, someone still dies, but how it is perceived is ultimately what I think shapes war. The conflict in Vietnam (which could be the Vietnam War or American War depending on who you talk to) took an enormous hit historically with the Tet Offensive. It was an unsuccessful assault for the Viet Cong and the American forces came out of it rather well, but the reaction back home was ultimately what tipped the balance. I don't have to go into detail, anyone who has either lived through that period or done studies of it will remember the photographs (particularly that photograph) and film footage that informed viewers about the sheer horror of such conflicts. It was a military victory, but a sociological loss and one that broke the camel's back. War is more commonly about perception more than anything else and if people perceive a reason for killing another is genuine, they will act on it. It's the application of "heroes" and "villains" to real life and it still happens today, we can't help it. If these people were stopped being perceived as a jingoistic buzz word and instead became human beings -- an estranged husband who had a young boy that he used to buy toy trucks whenever he saw him -- then it would be so much harder to start killing in the first place.
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Jan 8, 2017 22:23:42 GMT
Post by Ela on Jan 8, 2017 22:23:42 GMT
The religion and politics aren't necessarily the problem, it's those who hold extreme views. Just saying. I don't think it's politics at all, in any form, politics is just the name we give speech, argument and rhetoric with varying opinions and those that organise such things, making an argument that politics is part of the root cause of evil in the world is in of itself politics. On the other side of the same hand, of course politics is associated with war, it would be a very strange war indeed where the belligerents had not difference of opinion, had not spoken and had no idea either what their own points of view was let alone what the enemies were. Politics doesn't cause war, it's just the name we give to "conflict" that doesn't (normally at least) involve violence. Whilst it would be possible to in theory at least to remove all religion from the world (although when does superstition become religion anyway?), you couldn't do the same for politics without lobotomising the entire race, which would be (amongst other things) a political act in of itself. Fair points.
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Jan 8, 2017 22:38:36 GMT
Post by doctorkernow on Jan 8, 2017 22:38:36 GMT
Hello again.
Sorry about that last post. Being human is complicated. What are we? What should we do in the face of extremists who kill and destroy innocents?
What should we do with our governments when they aggressively intervene in other countries and make things even worse than before?
There are no easy answers and there have never been any easy answers.
For every action there are consequences and these can be intentional or unintentional. The leaders who ignore the lessons history teaches us are fools. Unfortunately, it seems in our nature to not learn from our mistakes.
The questions and statements I made in the last post are not designed to upset people. They probably have though,and for that I apologise. They were made to illustrate the point that being human is always complicated. While you can reduce life to that bleak survive or die approach, we have generally decided not to.
We fill our lives with distractions to avoid the difficult questions. We concentrate on looking after friends and families. We try to do 'the best we can' even if sometimes we do not know what is the best thing to do.
The human world as we know it is made in our own image. There is great evil carried out by people against each other. Unspeakable cruelty.
However, there is also an enormous army of people who try in their own little way to make things better. They do not have to help the stranger, protect the vulnerable or support the needy but they do it anyway. Some as a result of their political or religious beliefs; others because they feel it is the right thing to do.
One thing is certain. We only have one life as we know it on this Earth. What we do with it is entirely up to us.
What we do on this little pearl of life in the infinite depths of space is important. It is important even if it only makes one person's life more bearable. It is necessary even if no one else knows.
No one can be who we are. No one. That's the interesting thing. Whatever our lot: rich or poor, in sickness or in health, under tyranny or freedom; how we behave to those around us is our choice.
Life is a precious gift. Use it wisely. In your corner of the Earth, in your community, there is always something you can do to help someone near you...
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