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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 12:05:35 GMT
Exactly
You Don't wipe out continuity, you can alter it slightly but IMO you must reconcile it with what's come before at some point
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mark687 Well the EDA's have certainly felt like their own distinct era of Who anyway, they largely avoided the continuity from the TV series and Virgin... Definitely not a fan of amnesia (for Eight it's actually become a cliche), but I rather liked that. There was a nice sense of things moving forwards, rather than looking back as was sometimes the case with the VNAs and the television series. Mind you, they were written during a time when continuity references were seen as the ultimate downfall of the classic series, so I think that's more than a little bit of art imitating the attitudes of life. It's just a shame that they had to make it an in-universe proviso rather than approach it like that as writ from the start. The show has proved it can do pretty solid soft reboots -- Spearhead from Space, Terror of the Autons, Attack of the Cybermen, Remembrance of the Daleks -- without having to completely erase what has come before. Going out of your way to wipe out your predecessors' work seems a bit churlish too. You don't need it? Fine. Just don't reference it, let it slip into obscurity while you build your own tenure. That's the benefit of creating your own stuff, you don't have to follow what's come before and if you feel you must go back and touch base with lore... Well, that's the benefit of picking up old artefacts (like Gallifrey and the Time Lords), there is literally no excuse as to why you can't mine that extensive mythos for all its worth to build your own interpretation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 12:20:22 GMT
My only hope is that they do something with it. It was the right time to move forward from that illustrious backdrop of a battle-scarred Doctor, but please can we have another myth arc to take its place? There's so much that can be done with a revived Gallifrey, particularly in the context of a crippled, post-War Time Lord society. I doubt everything is the same as it was, I doubt everything is the same as it was. The reconstruction would be an excellent place to draw new stories from like Gallifreyan war fleets illegally cauterising and colonising time zones, exterior, opportunistic forces attempting to usurp their hold over time, teething problems with a new Web of Time that has accidentally overrode the main timeline with an alternate one and made that the default, the Daleks' attitude towards a returned Gallifrey and their plans there, etc. There's been not much worldbuilding in the Moffat era (and some pretty questionable worldbuilding when it has happened), it'd be nice to get back to exploring the universe as a connected tapestry again. Oh no, if something like this happened then I'd like them to use it as an opportunity to send the show back to basics. Just have the Doctor bumbling from one place to another. Doctor Who has never really been about world building, every story overturns what has gone before when it needs to. What you're describing sounds more like Babylon 5 with TARDISes. I just want the Doctor to not know where he is or what's going on. He just gets into sticky situations and wants to help. Actually, from the get-go it kinda was. The old quest stories like The Daleks, The Keys of Marinus and Marco Polo, always had an emphasis on exploring the world that you were in and learning about its history and culture. It's always been a show about exploring, but that's not really what I mean when I say worldbuilding. I'm thinking more of something you can use as a plot generator, the Time War gave us the goings on behind Satellite Five, the Genesis Ark, the Cult of Skaro and more than a few other things besides. A throwaway context that gives certain events an extra dimension like when they talked about the Peking Homunculus in Reykjavik nearly causing World War XI, the implications of Kartz-Reimer's experiments in the Third Zone, the galactic famine that was solved by the Great Healer on Necros, the Doctor's insider trading about debris that can be picked up by Search Con-Corp in thirty or so years, the Sontarans' war with the Rutans (in The Time Warrior, specifically), etc. I'd like to get a sense of things outside the frame. That the universe doesn't exclusively revolve around the Doctor and that there are other just as important things going on that he's stumbled into. Actually, The Talons of Weng-Chiang and The Time Warrior kind of prove my point because we got The Butcher of Brisbane and The Horror of Fang Rock out of what were essentially there to make the story appear a little more lively. It's almost like characters' have a fictional pop culture in a way.
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Post by aztec on Feb 2, 2017 12:28:08 GMT
Not a prediction but a hope, I wouldn't mind if he went the JNT route and destroyed the Sonic screwdriver again, less a occasional tool more a crux for writers to cut corners nowadays
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 2, 2017 12:51:51 GMT
Not a prediction but a hope, I wouldn't mind if he went the JNT route and destroyed the Sonic screwdriver again, less a occasional tool more a crux for writers to cut corners nowadays No thanks. Last time they tried that (The Magician's Apprentice), we ended up with the Sonic Shades - and they were terrible.
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Post by aztec on Feb 2, 2017 13:02:48 GMT
Not a prediction but a hope, I wouldn't mind if he went the JNT route and destroyed the Sonic screwdriver again, less a occasional tool more a crux for writers to cut corners nowadays No thanks. Last time they tried that (The Magician's Apprentice), we ended up with the Sonic Shades - and they were terrible. I love the sonic shades, more practical and easier to disguise than a screwdriver, a cheap way for fans and kids to cosplay as the Doctor, it gave 12 more of his own personality and it was great to see the Doctor tinkering with stuff again, together with the cue cards in S9 it was hilarious to see how out of place 12 was with social norms, they were kinda cringy but that was exactly why they worked for me. Maybe they'll upgrade to a sonic guitar in S10... No more gimmicky (in fact probably less so) than the robot dog, fez or stick of celery.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 2, 2017 13:06:05 GMT
No thanks. Last time they tried that (The Magician's Apprentice), we ended up with the Sonic Shades - and they were terrible. I love the sonic shades, more practical and easier to disguise than a screwdriver, a cheap way for fans and kids to cosplay as the Doctor, it gave 12 more of his own personality and it was great to see the Doctor tinkering with stuff again, together with the cue cards in S9 it was hilarious to see how out of place 12 was with social norms, they were kinda cringy but that was exactly why they worked for me. Maybe they'll upgrade to a sonic guitar in S10... No more gimmicky (in fact probably less so) than the robot dog, fez or stick of celery.Not to mention Ten's 3D glasses. What the hell was that all about?? Cheers Tony
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Post by aztec on Feb 2, 2017 13:08:15 GMT
I love the sonic shades, more practical and easier to disguise than a screwdriver, a cheap way for fans and kids to cosplay as the Doctor, it gave 12 more of his own personality and it was great to see the Doctor tinkering with stuff again, together with the cue cards in S9 it was hilarious to see how out of place 12 was with social norms, they were kinda cringy but that was exactly why they worked for me. Maybe they'll upgrade to a sonic guitar in S10... No more gimmicky (in fact probably less so) than the robot dog, fez or stick of celery.Not to mention Ten's 3D glasses. What the hell was that all about?? Cheers Tony No idea One gimmick I wish they had kept was the 10th Doctor keep finding random bits of fruit in his pocket for no reason, that was funny.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 2, 2017 13:14:44 GMT
I love the sonic shades, more practical and easier to disguise than a screwdriver, a cheap way for fans and kids to cosplay as the Doctor, it gave 12 more of his own personality and it was great to see the Doctor tinkering with stuff again, together with the cue cards in S9 it was hilarious to see how out of place 12 was with social norms, they were kinda cringy but that was exactly why they worked for me. Maybe they'll upgrade to a sonic guitar in S10... No more gimmicky (in fact probably less so) than the robot dog, fez or stick of celery.Not to mention Ten's 3D glasses. What the hell was that all about?? Cheers Tony But that was a prop gimmick that served that story.
The Sonic Shades are solely a gimmick.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 2, 2017 13:18:11 GMT
No thanks. Last time they tried that (The Magician's Apprentice), we ended up with the Sonic Shades - and they were terrible. I love the sonic shades, more practical and easier to disguise than a screwdriver, a cheap way for fans and kids to cosplay as the Doctor, it gave 12 more of his own personality and it was great to see the Doctor tinkering with stuff again, together with the cue cards in S9 it was hilarious to see how out of place 12 was with social norms, they were kinda cringy but that was exactly why they worked for me. Maybe they'll upgrade to a sonic guitar in S10... No more gimmicky (in fact probably less so) than the robot dog, fez or stick of celery. I hated them. They disguised one of the main distinguishing aspects of Peter Capaldi's Doctor - the eyebrows - and didn't appear very credible as a piece of Gallifreyan technology. Easy to snap in half for a start. A Sonic guitar would be amazing and should have been done instead of the Sonic Shades.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 2, 2017 13:21:02 GMT
I love the sonic shades, more practical and easier to disguise than a screwdriver, a cheap way for fans and kids to cosplay as the Doctor, it gave 12 more of his own personality and it was great to see the Doctor tinkering with stuff again, together with the cue cards in S9 it was hilarious to see how out of place 12 was with social norms, they were kinda cringy but that was exactly why they worked for me. Maybe they'll upgrade to a sonic guitar in S10... No more gimmicky (in fact probably less so) than the robot dog, fez or stick of celery.Not to mention Ten's 3D glasses. What the hell was that all about?? Cheers Tony David Tennant doesn't have prominent eyebrows so the 3D glasses worked for me. In any case, they were only in a single two parter.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 2, 2017 13:27:15 GMT
Not to mention Ten's 3D glasses. What the hell was that all about?? Cheers Tony But that was a prop gimmick that served that story.
The Sonic Shades are solely a gimmick.
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True, but they were seriously overused in it Cheers Tony
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 2, 2017 13:30:15 GMT
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Feb 7, 2017 11:17:26 GMT
I think - as somebody mentioned above - the next Doctor won't be a 'big' name and is likely to be an up and coming actor. Speaking of next names, another potential talking point: Writers. Putting aside if Chibnall will get a writer's room or not, will we see entirely new faces, or will there be veterans still onboard? It's not impossible to imagine Gatiss going with Moffat, or at least taking an extended break, and who knows with Whithouse. It could be possible, either by choice or BBC mandate, that they get an enitrely fresh staff to put a clear divider between the two eras to say loud and clear to the audience 'this will be different'.
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Post by mrperson on Feb 7, 2017 17:19:11 GMT
A Sonic guitar would be amazing and should have been done instead of the Sonic Shades. And amazing pain in the rear to lug around all the time, you mean? Besides....guitars are by definition sonic.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 7, 2017 19:54:14 GMT
A Sonic guitar would be amazing and should have been done instead of the Sonic Shades. And amazing pain in the rear to lug around all the time, you mean? Besides....guitars are by definition sonic. Could you imagine though if Peter Capaldi played a bit of Crazy Little Thing Called Love and destroyed the Cybermen with a massive sonic wave?
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Post by mrperson on Feb 7, 2017 23:07:07 GMT
And amazing pain in the rear to lug around all the time, you mean? Besides....guitars are by definition sonic. Could you imagine though if Peter Capaldi played a bit of Crazy Little Thing Called Love and destroyed the Cybermen with a massive sonic wave? I think our tastes are rather different. I might not have watched the rest of the season if that happened. That's the kind of thing for pure superhero shows, not Who. I much prefer Who's earlier style: a mostly sci-fi setting with some sci-fantasy elements, but basically, Mystery! in space. I honestly don't think I could stomach the show any longer if the plots were resolved by some guitar playing. The last Christmas special was simply absurd: human eats allegedly super-powerful device that draws power from "a star", and magically, the human being's digestive tract can (a) access this piece of technology, (b) convert this "energy of a star"* such as to turn a human into a stereotypical comic book superhero? It's pure nonsense. It's not even sci-fantasy. It belongs in a Marvel Universe. (And I really never came close to liking pure superhero stuff). *Otherwise known as 10,000C-400,000,000C depending on where you are in the star, plus radiation well beyond the visible spectrum. Basically, the farther the new series gets from the original series/BF, the less happy I am. If I want superheroes winning because magic, I know where to turn...
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 7, 2017 23:11:45 GMT
And amazing pain in the rear to lug around all the time, you mean? Besides....guitars are by definition sonic. Could you imagine though if Peter Capaldi played a bit of Crazy Little Thing Called Love and destroyed the Cybermen with a massive sonic wave? Needs to happen. If not on screen then if Capaldi ever joins BF.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 0:51:32 GMT
Could you imagine though if Peter Capaldi played a bit of Crazy Little Thing Called Love and destroyed the Cybermen with a massive sonic wave? I think our tastes are rather different. I might not have watched the rest of the season if that happened. That's the kind of thing for pure superhero shows, not Who. I much prefer Who's earlier style: a mostly sci-fi setting with some sci-fantasy elements, but basically, Mystery! in space. I honestly don't think I could stomach the show any longer if the plots were resolved by some guitar playing. Oh, I think if it was done once, it'd be okay. The first thing it reminded me of was the REG Doctor singing soprano to obliterate the husks containing the Shalka. As long as it was done intelligently (i.e. not just for rule of cool), I reckon you could get away with that image.
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Post by mrperson on Feb 8, 2017 1:32:51 GMT
I think our tastes are rather different. I might not have watched the rest of the season if that happened. That's the kind of thing for pure superhero shows, not Who. I much prefer Who's earlier style: a mostly sci-fi setting with some sci-fantasy elements, but basically, Mystery! in space. I honestly don't think I could stomach the show any longer if the plots were resolved by some guitar playing. Oh, I think if it was done once, it'd be okay. The first thing it reminded me of was the REG Doctor singing soprano to obliterate the husks containing the Shalka. As long as it was done intelligently (i.e. not just for rule of cool), I reckon you could get away with that image. The bolded is what worries me. The thing is, he didn't seem to be talking about a one-off use of a guitar to resolve a problem. He was talking about the Doctor having a "sonic guitar" to use.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 1:51:05 GMT
Oh, I think if it was done once, it'd be okay. The first thing it reminded me of was the REG Doctor singing soprano to obliterate the husks containing the Shalka. As long as it was done intelligently (i.e. not just for rule of cool), I reckon you could get away with that image. The bolded is what worries me. The thing is, he didn't seem to be talking about a one-off use of a guitar to resolve a problem. He was talking about the Doctor having a "sonic guitar" to use. Oh, I thought the sonic shades were really goofy, I don't think I could handle a sonic guitar on an ongoing basis. Give us an episode where it would work in a one-off capacity like a journey to the centre of the mind, but otherwise... Do we really want the show to turn into Sonic Underground?
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