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Post by number13 on Jun 18, 2017 10:10:18 GMT
That is a rather splendid Scottish sale for those who don't have them - great stories, buy the bundle now! Masters of Earth - brilliant sequel-prequel to 'The Dalek Invasion of Earth', full of thematic references and the Doctor at his most ruthless. More than the Seventh Doctor, I hear you say? A mere pussycat compared with Sixie in this one! Night Thoughts - a ghost-horror story you will not forget, genuinely scary in places. (Shivers at the memory, checks room for stuffed toy rabbits...) The last two are trickier because they do not stand alone. 'City of Spires' is the first part of an utterly fabulous Sixie/Jamie quadrilogy and 'Night's Black Agents' is the second. You could enjoy them as single stories but you will get infinitely more from them (some of it retrospectively) if you also buy 'The Wreck of the Titan' and 'Legend of the Cybermen' and hear the four stories in order and spoiler-free, as I was lucky enough to do last year. The truth of what was happening and where they were dawned on me slightly during the second story and solidified during the third - as the Sixth Doctor so rightly says: 'Oh, Jamie!!' I very, very highly recommend this quadrilogy.
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Post by omega on Jun 18, 2017 10:50:58 GMT
The last two are trickier because they do not stand alone. 'City of Spires' is the first part of an utterly fabulous Sixie/Jamie quadrilogy and 'Night's Black Agents' is the second. You could enjoy them as single stories but you will get infinitely more from them (some of it retrospectively) if you also buy 'The Wreck of the Titan' and 'Legend of the Cybermen' and hear the four stories in order and spoiler-free, as I was lucky enough to do last year. The truth of what was happening and where they were dawned on me slightly during the second story and solidified during the third - as the Sixth Doctor so rightly says: 'Oh, Jamie!!' I very, very highly recommend this quadrilogy. Definitely best appreciated as a whole, as there are questions raised in City of Spires not answered until Legend of the Cybermen.
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Post by number13 on Jun 18, 2017 11:00:10 GMT
The last two are trickier because they do not stand alone. 'City of Spires' is the first part of an utterly fabulous Sixie/Jamie quadrilogy and 'Night's Black Agents' is the second. You could enjoy them as single stories but you will get infinitely more from them (some of it retrospectively) if you also buy 'The Wreck of the Titan' and 'Legend of the Cybermen' and hear the four stories in order and spoiler-free, as I was lucky enough to do last year. The truth of what was happening and where they were dawned on me slightly during the second story and solidified during the third - as the Sixth Doctor so rightly says: 'Oh, Jamie!!' I very, very highly recommend this quadrilogy. Definitely best appreciated as a whole, as there are questions raised in City of Spires not answered until Legend of the Cybermen. And the Doctor's attempts to explain everything in 'Night's Black Agents' rationally (as usual) didn't seem convincing at the time - and only the last story shows you why. {Spoiler} Because the magic was for once actual magic - it seemed so convincing that it gave me the first clue they couldn't be in the 'real' universe where magic is impossible. But in that world, anything imaginable is possible.
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Post by omega on Jun 18, 2017 11:11:14 GMT
Definitely best appreciated as a whole, as there are questions raised in City of Spires not answered until Legend of the Cybermen. And the Doctor's attempts to explain everything in 'Night's Black Agents' rationally (as usual) didn't seem convincing at the time - and only the last story shows you why. {Spoiler}Because the magic was for once actual magic - it seemed so convincing that it gave me the first clue they couldn't be in the 'real' universe where magic is impossible. But in that world, anything imaginable is possible.
{Spoiler}The Land of Fiction setting blurs what's possible. Everyone the Doctor meets is made of ink and drawn from fiction. Legend of the Cybermen has fairies making a computer out of fairy dust.
Science and magic are two ways of approaching the same thing. Science just finds definite ways of defining it. As for how the Doctor is able to summon the Kelpie as Merodach did, he copied the method. You don't need to know how your phone works to use it, as long as you're familiar with the interface. Click the square representing the Big Finish App to open it instead of manually typing in code. The chant to bring the Kelpie to life was the interface, the Doctor replicated it. He did try to rationalise it, but he received no indication of whether he was right or wrong, so his belief he was right was never challenged enough.
When the penny eventually drops at the end of Wreck of the Titan, that's when the Doctor gives up on real world reason.
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Post by kimalysong on Jun 18, 2017 11:22:26 GMT
I know it's not on sale but Legend of the Cybermen is a masterpiece just saying!
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Post by muckypup on Jun 18, 2017 12:48:35 GMT
I know it's not on sale but Legend of the Cybermen is a masterpiece just saying! I really hated this trilogy at the time, I was dissapointed that it was so interconnected it was the 1st release that had been. perhaps it's time to re-evaluate?
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Post by mark687 on Jun 24, 2017 18:33:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 19:08:24 GMT
Hooray! Was hoping for this one. Definitely picking up The Isos Network. I already have all the main rangers but am very tempted by the Cyberman series. Would anyone recommend it? Is there another series it is comparable to in terms of tone and style? Thanks in advance.
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Post by muckypup on Jun 24, 2017 19:13:15 GMT
anyone who does not have spare parts in their collection......just buy it now.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 24, 2017 19:14:07 GMT
Hooray! Was hoping for this one. Definitely picking up The Isos Network. I already have all the main rangers but am very tempted by the Cyberman series. Would anyone recommend it? Is there another series it is comparable to in terms of tone and style? Thanks in advance. In style terms Cyberman is almost I Davros meets Survivors dark and quite human drama.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 19:21:02 GMT
Hooray! Was hoping for this one. Definitely picking up The Isos Network. I already have all the main rangers but am very tempted by the Cyberman series. Would anyone recommend it? Is there another series it is comparable to in terms of tone and style? Thanks in advance. In style terms Cyberman is almost I Davros meets Survivors dark and quite human drama.
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Nice one! Liked I Davros a lot. That sounds rather good indeed.
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Post by kimalysong on Jun 24, 2017 20:48:32 GMT
I shouldn't have because I already spent too much money this week but I decided to finally get the Cyberman series parts 1 & 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 21:43:57 GMT
Hooray! Was hoping for this one. Definitely picking up The Isos Network. I already have all the main rangers but am very tempted by the Cyberman series. Would anyone recommend it? Is there another series it is comparable to in terms of tone and style? Thanks in advance. It's closer to the feel of the original UNIT series with Chouhdry and Brincombe-Wood than most other ranges but it's its own thing honest;y. Most importantly...it's very good. Legend Of The Cybermen is my big recommendation to anyone hesitating - superlative, imagnative brilliance. Spare Parts....you don't need anyone to recommend - it's SPARE PARTS.Just buy it. On the other hand, only bother with Last Of The Cybermen if you're going for completion's and want to pick up things cheap as it's as dull and unimaginiativeas BF gets. It's not awful - it's painfully mediocre which is always worse than an interesting failure.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 24, 2017 21:51:00 GMT
Hooray! Was hoping for this one. Definitely picking up The Isos Network. I already have all the main rangers but am very tempted by the Cyberman series. Would anyone recommend it? Is there another series it is comparable to in terms of tone and style? Thanks in advance. It's closer to the feel of the original UNIT series with Chouhdry and Brincombe-Wood than most other ranges but it's its own thing honest;y. Most importantly...it's very good. Legend Of The Cybermen is my big recommendation to anyone hesitating - superlative, imagnative brilliance. Spare Parts....you don't need anyone to recommend - it's SPARE PARTS.Just buy it. On the other hand, only bother with Last Of The Cybermen if you're going for completion's and want to pick up things cheap as it's as dull and unimaginiativeas BF gets. It's not awful - it's painfully mediocre which is always worse than an interesting failure. Though Last of the Cybermen was still the strongest of the "Locum Doctor" trilogy IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 21:53:51 GMT
It's closer to the feel of the original UNIT series with Chouhdry and Brincombe-Wood than most other ranges but it's its own thing honest;y. Most importantly...it's very good. Legend Of The Cybermen is my big recommendation to anyone hesitating - superlative, imagnative brilliance. Spare Parts....you don't need anyone to recommend - it's SPARE PARTS.Just buy it. On the other hand, only bother with Last Of The Cybermen if you're going for completion's and want to pick up things cheap as it's as dull and unimaginiativeas BF gets. It's not awful - it's painfully mediocre which is always worse than an interesting failure. Though Last of the Cybermen was still the strongest of the "Locum Doctor" trilogy IMO.
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Maybe on bizzaro world - it was clearly The Secret History that was the best. By a country mile and then some - mostly because the first two were so horrendous it kinds wins by default just by being any good at all! It stole the show...but it was petty theft.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 24, 2017 22:01:19 GMT
Though Last of the Cybermen was still the strongest of the "Locum Doctor" trilogy IMO.
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Maybe on bizzaro world - it was clearly The Secret History. By a country mile and then some - mostly because the first two were so horrendous it kinds wins by default just by being any good at all! I have the same problem with Secret History as I had with tonight's TV EP, everything happened exactly as I predicated, just from Cover Art and the Companions involved and for a milestone number its an average tale!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 22:08:44 GMT
Maybe on bizzaro world - it was clearly The Secret History. By a country mile and then some - mostly because the first two were so horrendous it kinds wins by default just by being any good at all! I have the same problem with Secret History as I had with tonight's TV EP, everything happened exactly as I predicated, just from Cover Art and the Companions involved and for a milestone number its an average tale!
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I don't alter expectations because of spine numbers A good story is all I ask. I don't recall many predicting the nature of the reveal in Secret History - when that first ep came out for listening early I do remember more than a few of us being amazed they kept it quiet, honestly. It's a more dynamic, exciting story than the other two which were plodding and dull.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 24, 2017 22:13:33 GMT
I have the same problem with Secret History as I had with tonight's TV EP, everything happened exactly as I predicated, just from Cover Art and the Companions involved and for a milestone number its an average tale!
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I don't alter expectations because of spine numbers A good story is all I ask. I don't recall many predicting the nature of the reveal in Secret History - when that first ep came out for listening early I do remember more than a few of us being amazed they kept it quiet, honestly. It's a more dynamic, exciting story than the other two which were plodding and dull. Well sorry I did on both counts Fortunately since NO 201 the MRs have been consistently high quality.
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Post by number13 on Jun 24, 2017 22:15:17 GMT
I liked both 'Last of the Cybermen' and 'The Secret History' very much! (Even though the cover art gave away the villain to me before I got the CDs in the player!) I enjoyed the Doctor / Jamie banter and many 'Tomb' and Second Doctor era references in the first, and the classic historical-'plus' feel of the second. And a lot more of that story is based on the writings of the real Procopius than you might think... {Spoiler} Giant floating heads taking over the Emperor and his wife? Yes, Procopius did actually write that in the real 'Secret History'. So either he'd seriously been at the latest vintage or maybe the Doctor really was there in old Byzantium...
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Post by kimalysong on Jun 24, 2017 22:44:22 GMT
Though Last of the Cybermen was still the strongest of the "Locum Doctor" trilogy IMO.
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Maybe on bizzaro world - it was clearly The Secret History that was the best. By a country mile and then some - mostly because the first two were so horrendous it kinds wins by default just by being any good at all! It stole the show...but it was petty theft. Agree with David Secret History was the stand out of that trilogy Last of the Cybermen was fine it has 2 of my favorite companions and Sixie but Legend of the Cybermen with that same combination is a genuine masterpiece.
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