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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 20:43:50 GMT
Especially when Big Finish use the term "full-cast audiobook" on their own website... I don't see them saying that about the Doctor Chronicles. No, because they are not full-cast! It is a term that they use on their full-cast range pages though. My point was that a full-cast drama and an audiobook are technically not the same thing, and BF using that terminology is not helpful in making Joe Public aware of the difference. (Which was mentioned in the post that I replied to.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 21:03:04 GMT
I don't see them saying that about the Doctor Chronicles. No, because they are not full-cast! It is a term that they use on their full-cast range pages though. My point was that a full-cast drama and an audiobook are technically not the same thing, and BF using that terminology is not helpful in making Joe Public aware of the difference. (Which was mentioned in the post that I replied to.) I think BF use the term because so many people have trouble understanding what an audio drama actually is.
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Post by Zagreus on Aug 27, 2017 3:38:21 GMT
No, because they are not full-cast! It is a term that they use on their full-cast range pages though. My point was that a full-cast drama and an audiobook are technically not the same thing, and BF using that terminology is not helpful in making Joe Public aware of the difference. (Which was mentioned in the post that I replied to.) I think BF use the term because so many people have trouble understanding what an audio drama actually is. I find that by calling them "HD Radio Plays" I can generally get the point across when I'm explaining them to people.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 27, 2017 7:05:41 GMT
Maybe this is just one spin off to many?
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Post by Ela on Aug 27, 2017 18:15:16 GMT
It remains to be seen. I pre-ordered as part of a bundle. I hope it turns out to be worth it.
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Post by acousticwolf on Aug 28, 2017 16:02:01 GMT
It remains to be seen. I pre-ordered as part of a bundle. I hope it turns out to be worth it. Ditto. Cheers Tony
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Post by barnabaslives on Aug 28, 2017 19:21:01 GMT
As long as no one needs moisturizing during the proceedings (hopefully something that visual isn't going to end up in the audios), I'm going to have faith that I made the right choice pre-ordering the bundle. Big Finish has yet to disappointment me with a New Series release - mainly I think they've amazed me.
For a while I thought The Churchill Years might be one spin-off too many - absolutely brilliant guest star, but a series? - but I did very much enjoy the first Churchill Years set and pre-ordered the second set some time ago. Likewise with The Doctor Chronicles - "Are you sure we need those?" - but so far that's turned out quite well too, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 21:00:16 GMT
I'm going to have faith that I made the right choice pre-ordering the bundle. Big Finish has yet to disappointment me with a New Series release - mainly I think they've amazed me. This is the thing, it might not be a range for me but with Big Finish you know the quality will good.
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Post by paulmorris on Aug 28, 2017 23:30:55 GMT
I mean Tennant's image were used on the covers for Death's Deal, partly on Volume 1 of The Churchill Years and on both of the recent Jago & Litefoot short trips... Doing it here doesn't exactly scream out false advertisement to me. In fact it makes sense for the character to crop up here as this location was only really explored in his era. Having him in a story or just as a glorified cameo in the form of narration would probably be fine. I think it's misleading marketing, the picture is there to lure people in, and it will, and who knows how many of those will be disappointed. But whether it be one or thousands, the responsibility of that disappointment lay with BF. Nonsense.
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Post by jasonward on Aug 28, 2017 23:33:54 GMT
I think it's misleading marketing, the picture is there to lure people in, and it will, and who knows how many of those will be disappointed. But whether it be one or thousands, the responsibility of that disappointment lay with BF. Nonsense. OK. Why is the picture there?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 5:27:41 GMT
OK. Why is the picture there? Because the Tenth Doctor features in one or more stories?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 5:33:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 6:36:29 GMT
Because that covers says "Katy Manning & Richard Franklin perform" whereas it doesn't say anything of that nature on the Tales of New Earth cover.
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Post by Whovitt on Aug 29, 2017 6:51:03 GMT
If I understand the point they are making correctly, the difference is that The Mega is an enhanced audiobook while Tales from New Earth is not, it is full-cast. An audiobook, enhanced or no, doesn't need to be all that concerned about who is depicted on the cover, as even if the actor portrayed does not play a part in the reading the character they played still appears. In a full-cast audio play, an person depicted should (theoretically) actually be among the cast members.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 7:20:30 GMT
If I understand the point they are making correctly, the difference is that The Mega is an enhanced audiobook while Tales from New Earth is not, it is full-cast. An audiobook, enhanced or no, doesn't need to be all that concerned about who is depicted on the cover, as even if the actor portrayed does not play a part in the reading the character they played still appears. In a full-cast audio play, an person depicted should (theoretically) actually be among the cast members. The character depicted should be, yes, which is why I assume the Tenth Doctor is in this set. The cast are listed very clearly along the top of the New Earth set, so I'm not sure why anyone would think David Tennant was in it. Perhaps it's only Big Finish purists who assume a role will never be portrayed by someone else on Audio.
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Post by number13 on Aug 29, 2017 9:28:46 GMT
If I understand the point they are making correctly, the difference is that The Mega is an enhanced audiobook while Tales from New Earth is not, it is full-cast. An audiobook, enhanced or no, doesn't need to be all that concerned about who is depicted on the cover, as even if the actor portrayed does not play a part in the reading the character they played still appears. In a full-cast audio play, an person depicted should (theoretically) actually be among the cast members. That's right; it's a question of buyer expectations especially for people less experienced with the different styles of BF audios (anything from a single person reading to full cast.) The usual rule appears to be that, the Doctor may or may not appear on the cover if the story is fully or part-narrated, like STs, CCs, EAs and the First, Second and Third Doctor 'Lost Stories'. But for full-cast releases, they have only appeared on the cover if the original actor is actually in the story. As an example, look at the 'Third Doctor Adventures'. Jon Pertwee appears as the Doctor in the artwork of a few Third Doctor CCs and on the 'sidebar' of all of them, also 'The Mega' which is another part-narrated story. But he does not appear on the cover of the 'Third Doctor Adventures' except as a figure in strong backlighting and heavy shadows to obscure the features. Personally I think he should; we all know that Jon Pertwee is sadly no longer with us, so there is no chance of confusion, and I was pleased to see that for Volume 3 he does appear in the sidebar, CC style, but still only on the internal CD leaflet, not on the cover. Maybe in another two volumes he'll be shown proudly in the main cover artwork as he should be - Tim Treloar is giving wonderful performances and we can appreciate his great skill in playing the Doctor in the style of Jon Pertwee, when we know perfectly well that it isn't Jon Pertwee. Even when there's no chance of confusion, it's surely a sign of how sensitive BF consider it is to portray the Doctor on full-cast artwork when the original actor does not appear.
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Post by velvetrevolv3r6 on Aug 29, 2017 10:08:17 GMT
I'm really failing to see what all the hubbub over 10 being on cover is for? The doctor's likeness has been used on a multitude of covers without the respective original actor being in a release. So why is this release any different? 10 isn't slap bang in the forefront of the cover, and Tennant's name isn't listed on the cover either. What's the harm in having the Doctor present on the cover if he is present in a story/stories in some capacity?
If Tennant does appear for a cameo that'd be great... However I'm under the impression this release is akin to the Churchill Years, Volume 1 of the TDAs or The Confessions of Dorian Gray. Where these stories are 'full cast' but also feature a narration buffer.
But that's just my two cents on the issues, I can see where people feeling mislead could come from but there's no need to start being bitter with each other for having different opinions haha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 10:15:35 GMT
I'm really failing to see what all the hubbub over 10 being on cover is for? The doctor's likeness has been used on a multitude of covers without the respective original actor being in a release. So why is this release any different? 10 isn't slap bang in the forefront of the cover, and Tennant's name isn't listed on the cover either. What's the harm in having the Doctor present on the cover if he is present in a story/stories in some capacity? If Tennant does appear for a cameo that'd be great... However I'm under the impression this release is akin to the Churchill Years, Volume 1 of the TDAs or The Confessions of Dorian Gray. Where these stories are 'full cast' but also feature a narration buffer. But that's just my two cents on the issues, I can see where people feeling mislead could come from but there's no need to start being bitter with each other for having different opinions haha. Yeah, I'm just baffled too. I can't quite believe the reaction this is getting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 10:59:22 GMT
I'm under the impression this release is akin to the Churchill Years, Volume 1 of the TDAs or The Confessions of Dorian Gray. Where these stories are 'full cast' but also feature a narration buffer. Where do you get that from? Based on my memory of the original announcement, I thought it was going to be entirely full-cast.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 12:14:22 GMT
If I understand the point they are making correctly, the difference is that The Mega is an enhanced audiobook while Tales from New Earth is not, it is full-cast. An audiobook, enhanced or no, doesn't need to be all that concerned about who is depicted on the cover, as even if the actor portrayed does not play a part in the reading the character they played still appears. In a full-cast audio play, an person depicted should (theoretically) actually be among the cast members. As an example, look at the 'Third Doctor Adventures'. Jon Pertwee appears as the Doctor in the artwork of a few Third Doctor CCs and on the 'sidebar' of all of them, also 'The Mega' which is another part-narrated story. But he does not appear on the cover of the 'Third Doctor Adventures' except as a figure in strong backlighting and heavy shadows to obscure the features. Personally I think he should; we all know that Jon Pertwee is sadly no longer with us, so there is no chance of confusion, and I was pleased to see that for Volume 3 he does appear in the sidebar, CC style, but still only on the internal CD leaflet, not on the cover. Maybe in another two volumes he'll be shown proudly in the main cover artwork as he should be - Tim Treloar is giving wonderful performances and we can appreciate his great skill in playing the Doctor in the style of Jon Pertwee, when we know perfectly well that it isn't Jon Pertwee. Even when there's no chance of confusion, it's surely a sign of how sensitive BF consider it is to portray the Doctor on full-cast artwork when the original actor does not appear. Jon Pertwee should be fully shown on the cover of every Third Doctor story, (i.e. not in shadow) as he is the Third Doctor. There is no other Third Doctor, just another actor impersonating him, just as William Russell and Frazer Hines do with the First and Second Doctors in various Big Finish audios. Everybody knows that William Hartnell, Pat Troughton and Jon Pertwee are no longer with us, so I don't see any confusion.
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