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Post by david on Oct 26, 2015 16:34:15 GMT
It wasn't the speculation that was the spoiler, the graphic from BF's website was indeed speculation in the context of this announcement (although as close to a confirmation as you could get, without it being actual confirmation) but in of itself was clearly a spoiler, it on its own revealed details of a further event that were not yet meant to be in the public domain, and some people, as evidences by what's been posted in this thread felt the surprise was spoiled. Facts posted ahead of their official reveal are spoilers.
It should be noted the spoiler rules doesn't stop you from posting spoilers, no free speech is infringed, and no information is withheld, just use spoiler tags, not a big deal. Why are you posting everything in red? So what was the spoiler? Discussing the Blogtor article or the linking to an official BF image which "confirmed" it? Because the Blogtor news has been discussed here - and on every BF Facebook page, twitter or forum for weeks with nary an incident or accusation that it was a "spoiler".
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Post by mrfuggleboppins on Oct 26, 2015 16:34:30 GMT
I missed this part on first-read. "All three stories are also available in the Doctor Who: The Tenth Doctor Adventures Volume 1 – Limited Edition set. Limited to just 5,000 copies and available exclusively from bigfinish.com, and the lavish book-sized box set includes exclusive artwork, photography, articles and a one-hour documentary featuring interviews with the stars and production team." If that's the case, it makes reducing the print run of the book from 10,000 to 5,000 seem much more understandable. I'd also think if there's plenty of Tennant and Tate on the extras disc that should be hyped more as an incentive to go for the deluxe just as the RTD content on Damaged Goods was. Might this be one of the restrictions in the contract within whatever David Tennant/Catherine Tate/new series rights? Or merely a way to limit third parties selling at greatly reduced costs and thus hurting Big Finish in the process?
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Post by mrfuggleboppins on Oct 26, 2015 16:34:58 GMT
Except a limited edition, that has so many editions that everyone who wants one gets one, isn't a limited edition at all, it's just something given that label. Yeah but if you're a fan of the 10th Doctor and/or David Tennant, you're going to want to go for the more expensive, more lavish option. Thankfully I managed to pre-order my copy before all the Tennant fangirls get in but 5000 is never going to be enough for everyone who wants the LE version. Are the Tennant fangirls even going to know about it, or be able to afford it? Hopefully it gets a good amount of publicity and the fangirls don't go like "I DON'T LIKE AUDIO WE NEED HIM ON TV."
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Post by jasonward on Oct 26, 2015 16:37:09 GMT
I wish to distinguish my posts as moderator from those posted by me as me, my red posts are those made in my official capacity, those in black are posted in my personal capacity.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 26, 2015 16:39:49 GMT
It wasn't the speculation that was the spoiler, the graphic from BF's website was indeed speculation in the context of this announcement (although as close to a confirmation as you could get, without it being actual confirmation) but in of itself was clearly a spoiler, it on its own revealed details of a future event that were not yet meant to be in the public domain, and some people, as evidences by what's been posted in this thread felt the surprise was spoiled. Facts posted ahead of their official reveal are spoilers.
It should be noted the spoiler rules doesn't stop you from posting spoilers, no free speech is infringed, and no information is withheld, just use spoiler tags, not a big deal. Great. Nice to know. Except nothing talked about in this thread are spoilers in a way that is generally recognized and to say they are undermines what spoilers are supposed to be and what/who they are trying to protect. We are talking about a product/range announcement. Of a story that was broken a couple of weeks ago. It's like me walking outside before you and telling you "Oh look. The sun is in the sky shining." And you yelling that I ruined your morning for you. And if this were an actual Christmas present that I told you about I would understand a person's irritation but that isn't it at all. Anyway, 10/Donna audios. Nice.
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Post by david on Oct 26, 2015 16:40:14 GMT
I missed this part on first-read. "All three stories are also available in the Doctor Who: The Tenth Doctor Adventures Volume 1 – Limited Edition set. Limited to just 5,000 copies and available exclusively from bigfinish.com, and the lavish book-sized box set includes exclusive artwork, photography, articles and a one-hour documentary featuring interviews with the stars and production team." If that's the case, it makes reducing the print run of the book from 10,000 to 5,000 seem much more understandable. I'd also think if there's plenty of Tennant and Tate on the extras disc that should be hyped more as an incentive to go for the deluxe just as the RTD content on Damaged Goods was. Might this be one of the restrictions in the contract within whatever David Tennant/Catherine Tate/new series rights? Or merely a way to limit third parties selling at greatly reduced costs and thus hurting Big Finish in the process? Well, it's one of those things we'll probably not find out, I guess. Maybe they were burned a bit by Amazon being over 25% cheaper for The Last Adventure and they'd rather have all that income direct rather than give Amazon a big slice. Would certainly account for the "missing" 5,000 less than previous limited sets if they are only selling direct. I'd imagine it would be a good seller at cons and shows too.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 26, 2015 16:42:45 GMT
I've always considered a "spoiler" to be a specific and truthful factual revelation about the content of a show or other product. The revelation is something that spoils the surprise a viewer would otherwise have enjoyed experiencing. For example, in Day of the Doctor Tom Baker appears as the Curator, a future incarnation of the Doctor when he has finally gotten too old for all that mucking about. On the other hand, I noticed that over on Gallifrey Base, there are some sub-forums that define spoilers as rumors without regard to truth, or even completely unsupported speculation. I prefer my definition. For one thing, I don't see how a rumor or especially speculation can spoil a surprise. I can speculate right here and now that in Episode 10, Clara will heroically sacrifice her life to save the Doctor, but, it will turn out that the sacrifice was completely unnecessary after all; also, River will discover a hard light hologram generator and be effectively "alive" again. I have no knowledge of what's in Episode 10. I have no access to leaked scripts. I have absolutely no basis for having typed those words. It's just pure speculation without any basis. How can it be considered a spoiler, where I don't so much as claim to know that it in fact will happen? Even more so, I don't understand how anything about this particular Big Finish announcement is a "spoiler." I mean, we were discussing the inevitability of this happening in other threads. We were discussing who we'd want to see as a companion, and indeed, some of us (myself) said more Donna would be great. But we didn't know for a fact it was going to happen. Did those speculative discussions "spoil" anything about the actual announcement? Now that it is officially announced, can it really be considered a spoiler to mention the fact here? Is viewing the image of the announcement on Big Finish's page "spoiled" now? It's the same image wherever it's posted, and it doesn't really say anything meaningful about what actually happens in the episodes. Anyway, if this is an issue of contention, perhaps there should be a single definition of "spoiler" posted and the parts of the forum to which it applies made clear. [Edit. Unless I'm missing something, the only mention of spoilers I saw in the forum guidelines was: " Use spoiler tags. Not everyone likes to read spoilers. If you want to post spoilers, remember to use the spoiler tag. Threads can be created specifically for the posting of spoilers, these spoiler threads must contain the word (Spoilers) in the title." So if copy/pasting an image of an official announcement already put out by BBC or BF is considered a "spoiler" in this forum, I suggest including a fuller definition of what counts as one, since it seems a number of us didn't consider it to be one]
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Post by dukealoops on Oct 26, 2015 16:43:25 GMT
I wish to distinguish my posts as moderator from those posted by me as me, my red posts are those made in my official capacity, those in black are posted in my personal capacity. OK....It's a shame that I can barely read the font color to see what your saying. Granted that may just be me.
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Post by david on Oct 26, 2015 16:44:22 GMT
Yeah but if you're a fan of the 10th Doctor and/or David Tennant, you're going to want to go for the more expensive, more lavish option. Thankfully I managed to pre-order my copy before all the Tennant fangirls get in but 5000 is never going to be enough for everyone who wants the LE version. Are the Tennant fangirls even going to know about it, or be able to afford it? Hopefully it gets a good amount of publicity and the fangirls don't go like "I DON'T LIKE AUDIO WE NEED HIM ON TV." You kids sure know what the fangirls love On a related topic, I always hate reading that when news like todays comes out - "It's only audio" or "Why not on TV?". It's very disprespectful. It seems to be exclusive to audio too - I don't remember every seeing a comment on a Doctor Who book saying "Why isn't this story on tv?"
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Post by david on Oct 26, 2015 16:46:14 GMT
I wish to distinguish my posts as moderator from those posted by me as me, my red posts are those made in my official capacity, those in black are posted in my personal capacity. OK....It's a shame that I can barely read the font color to see what your saying. Granted that may just be me. Are you the Dukealoops connected with Geekvolution?
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Post by jasonward on Oct 26, 2015 16:47:19 GMT
I wish to distinguish my posts as moderator from those posted by me as me, my red posts are those made in my official capacity, those in black are posted in my personal capacity. OK....It's a shame that I can barely read the font color to see what your saying. Granted that may just be me. If other have problems too with red I'll try another colour, I just want it to be clear at a glance.
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Post by dukealoops on Oct 26, 2015 16:56:01 GMT
OK....It's a shame that I can barely read the font color to see what your saying. Granted that may just be me. Are you the Dukealoops connected with Geekvolution? Yes Sir!
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Post by mrperson on Oct 26, 2015 16:59:07 GMT
I wish to distinguish my posts as moderator from those posted by me as me, my red posts are those made in my official capacity, those in black are posted in my personal capacity. OK....It's a shame that I can barely read the font color to see what your saying. Granted that may just be me. If you select the text as if you wanted to copy/paste it, the highlighting should make the red more visible if you're having problems with it.
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Post by pawntake on Oct 26, 2015 17:00:35 GMT
I wish to distinguish my posts as moderator from those posted by me as me, my red posts are those made in my official capacity, those in black are posted in my personal capacity. Ok that's pretty clear.See you later Moderator!
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Post by satmanager on Oct 26, 2015 17:56:51 GMT
I wish to distinguish my posts as moderator from those posted by me as me, my red posts are those made in my official capacity, those in black are posted in my personal capacity. Just add the words "OFFICIAL STATEMENT" or words to such effect. It may make it more clear that it is a statement in your official capacity. While the red does attract attention, it was still unclear that it was an official policy statement. Just my two cents.
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Post by Shalott on Oct 26, 2015 18:08:15 GMT
Fantastic news but I've got to question the stupid decision to make the Limited Edition set only 5000 copies. There's going to be a lot of disappointed people considering how many fans David Tennant has. If all the Tennant fangirls buy a copy, then it's going to sell out quick. 10,000 would have made much more sense. Personally, I like the smaller edition and the price point. I'm guessing BF figure it's better to sell out than to have a bunch of LE box sets sitting around the warehouse.
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Post by agentten on Oct 26, 2015 19:28:48 GMT
This is actually a really nice price on these. I was expecting something more heavy on the wallet, but even the limited edition is very reasonable.
Also: I'm absurdly excited about this.
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Post by Polar Bear on Oct 26, 2015 19:40:55 GMT
Awesome, though only three stories was a bit of a disappointment. But it's more than we had been getting!!!
Here's to a Series Two in 2017, one double the length of Series One!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2015 19:49:39 GMT
OK....It's a shame that I can barely read the font color to see what your saying. Granted that may just be me. If other have problems too with red I'll try another colour, I just want it to be clear at a glance. I use tap a talk and it doesn't colour text, it's all black
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 26, 2015 20:28:22 GMT
Really excited about this. I know we've seen it coming a mile away but still it's incredible finally seeing the actual announcement on the Big Finish news page. Had to look at it three times before I could believe my eyes. Isn't all of 30 days since the War Doctor announcement either, isn't it? Go, Big Finish!!
(You know, it's really starting to make me wonder if they're licensed up through Eleven just for the bragging rights...)
Not this week since I already just emptied my bank account again with BF purchases, but I'm certain I'll be pre-ordering the Limited Edition of the Tenth Doctor and Donna.
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