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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 28, 2017 18:20:55 GMT
Having a chat with a few youngsters and they know who the old geezer is. This is the information age and they're growing up adept in it, not adapting to it like some of us. When I read my first Target books I was baffled by the cover picture that showed Troughton, that's not the Doctor! And how do you find out if no adults watch the show? (Bear in mind I grew up in Ireland where the early shows were not shown so the adult population hadn't seen them either) A library? More Target books but no explanations. Now? If kids are interested they can find out, and they know. And with a 50 plus history on line that info is there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 18:36:47 GMT
Having a chat with a few youngsters and they know who the old geezer is. This is the information age and they're growing up adept in it, not adapting to it like some of us. When I read my first Target books I was baffled by the cover picture that showed Troughton, that's not the Doctor! And how do you find out if no adults watch the show? (Bear in mind I grew up in Ireland where the early shows were not shown so the adult population hadn't seen them either) A library? More Target books but no explanations. Now? If kids are interested they can find out, and they know. And with a 50 plus history on line that info is there. But do they care who it is? Are they excited about the First Doctor?
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Post by icecreamdf on Jul 28, 2017 19:42:28 GMT
Mate, I think I'm speaking for a lot of people on this forum when I say this, but... do you need a hug? I think he's right. Moffat is into wish fulfillment now and is throwing things into this final episode that aren't likely to be deemed exciting by anyone other rhan Big Finish forum addicts and DWM buyers. Even if that's true, why complain? We are Big Finish forum addicts, and most of us are DWM buyers. Even if it doesn't reach a wider audience, we'll still enjoy it. Moffat's on his way out, and I'm sure that Chibnall will go in a direction that appeals to a wider audience.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 28, 2017 19:55:02 GMT
Having a chat with a few youngsters and they know who the old geezer is. This is the information age and they're growing up adept in it, not adapting to it like some of us. When I read my first Target books I was baffled by the cover picture that showed Troughton, that's not the Doctor! And how do you find out if no adults watch the show? (Bear in mind I grew up in Ireland where the early shows were not shown so the adult population hadn't seen them either) A library? More Target books but no explanations. Now? If kids are interested they can find out, and they know. And with a 50 plus history on line that info is there. But do they care who it is? Are they excited about the First Doctor? Yep!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 22:21:19 GMT
I think he's right. Moffat is into wish fulfillment now and is throwing things into this final episode that aren't likely to be deemed exciting by anyone other rhan Big Finish forum addicts and DWM buyers. Even if that's true, why complain? We are Big Finish forum addicts, and most of us are DWM buyers. Even if it doesn't reach a wider audience, we'll still enjoy it. Moffat's on his way out, and I'm sure that Chibnall will go in a direction that appeals to a wider audience. Exactly. The whole show is about to get the biggest facelift it has ever had in many ways. If it can't indulge in a bit of Christmas nostalgia before that happens - which will have that extra element of inteerest as it's a regeneration story - then it's a shame. Let's just enjoy it!
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Post by shutupbanks on Jul 29, 2017 1:22:34 GMT
Mate, I think I'm speaking for a lot of people on this forum when I say this, but... do you need a hug? I think he's right. Moffat is into wish fulfillment now and is throwing things into this final episode that aren't likely to be deemed exciting by anyone other rhan Big Finish forum addicts and DWM buyers. Disagree: the continuity porn that has been thrown into episodes has been in the form of easter eggs for fans rather than obstacles for new viewers. Even casual viewers who came across the show this series will be aware of the concept of regeneration - even if you've only watched the two previous episodes you will be aware of regeneration, older incarnations meeting younger incarnations and cross-gender regenerations. It might be baffling for new viewers but anyone coming into a show 36 seasons in must surely expect that they might have to pay a little more attention to keep up.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jul 29, 2017 4:23:40 GMT
I think most people would find "the Doctor meets his earliest self" interesting regardless of whether they've seen The Sensorites.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 29, 2017 12:46:03 GMT
The First Doctor really seems like the right Doctor for this story though. As the Twelfth Doctor is dealing with the fact that he has to regenerate again, he is reminded of how scared he was before his first regeneration. The circumstances behind Eight's regeneration were very different. He wasn't afraid to regenerate. He actually wanted to change and become somebody else, because it was too painful to be the Doctor. All good points, Tim, however my comment is directed at the choice of Doctor in any multi Doctor story to be 8, rather than a comment on this particular story. But, the choice of cheese is even more important. I'd advice against a strong blue cheese!
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jul 29, 2017 13:09:41 GMT
All good points, Tim, however my comment is directed at the choice of Doctor in any multi Doctor story to be 8, rather than a comment on this particular story. But, the choice of cheese is even more important. I'd advice against a strong blue cheese! But 8, he likes a more robust cheese, but I see your point. Perhaps a Wensleydale with a hint of cranberry?
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 29, 2017 13:28:46 GMT
But, the choice of cheese is even more important. I'd advice against a strong blue cheese! But 8, he likes a more robust cheese, but I see your point. Perhaps a Wensleydale with a hint of cranberry? or, apicot?
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Post by stcoop on Jul 30, 2017 19:45:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 19:56:18 GMT
Random thought, given that at least part of this story is set in the first world war. That's where Patrick Troughtons last story was kind of set.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 30, 2017 22:03:40 GMT
Random thought, given that at least part of this story is set in the first world war. That's where Patrick Troughtons last story was kind of set. There was a rumour of the Troughton appearing and a 2 to 3 regeneration.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 31, 2017 10:50:29 GMT
I read an interview with Moffat discussing the themes in Twice upon a Time. I wanted to comment on it but can't find it. Any help? It was over a week ago. Discussing death, and wanting to continue living!
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Jul 31, 2017 12:24:49 GMT
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Post by mark687 on Jul 31, 2017 13:03:13 GMT
Seems a bit on the nose granted but there is the Coffee line in the Moonbase
and the strange evolution of "your going the right way for a jolly good smacked Bottom" and then leaving Susan to get Married all in the course of Dalek Invasion of Earth and a couple of Jamie's "Wee Lassie" comments are examples in the 60s of what would be considered chauvinistic attitudes today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 14:58:41 GMT
"Polly, put the kettle on." "Polly ... why not make some coffee?"
There certainly was chauvanism in sixties Who, and in many other places/shows/books/magazines/films from that period. And in the seventies too.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Aug 1, 2017 17:11:53 GMT
Seems a bit on the nose granted but there is the Coffee line in the Moonbase
and the strange evolution of "your going the right way for a jolly good smacked Bottom" and then leaving Susan to get Married all in the course of Dalek Invasion of Earth and a couple of Jamie's "Wee Lassie" comments are examples in the 60s of what would be considered chauvinistic attitudes today.
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That's not chauvinism. For what reason has Moffat written The First Doctor as a chauvanist? It's a very odd decision, it is 2017! Why is he attempting to compare the two eras, when the First Doctor wasn't a chauvinist!
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Post by mrperson on Aug 1, 2017 18:22:25 GMT
I don't recall the Doctor ever telling Polly to dust the TARDIS, but perhaps my memory is off.....
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Post by icecreamdf on Aug 1, 2017 19:44:21 GMT
I don't recall the Doctor ever telling Polly to dust the TARDIS, but perhaps my memory is off..... I don't think he ever did, but it wouldn't have seemed out of place. The First Doctor reflected the times of the era that he was written in, and people were more chauvinistic back then. This isn't going to be the first time that the show has commented on the fact that One was a bit of a chauvinist. In The Five Doctors. He asked Tegan to make tea (or something like that). Tegan got mad at him, but Five calmed her down by telling Turlough to help her. I expect that there will be a similar moment in Twice Upon a Time, and that is all that Moffat and Bradley are talking about.
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