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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 11, 2019 8:11:07 GMT
EDIT: Re earlier posts - it seems they're not looking at a NI-only backstop.
You haven't been paying enough attention to Yes Minister: First rule of British politics - Never believe anything until it's officially denied.
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Post by sherlock on Sept 11, 2019 9:20:58 GMT
Scotland’s highest court of appeal just ruled the prorogation unlawful.
Erm...anyone know what happens now
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 10:48:41 GMT
Wow. Boris Johnson is the first prime minister to have been found by a court to have misled a monarch.
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Post by number13 on Sept 11, 2019 11:35:57 GMT
Scotland’s highest court of appeal just ruled the prorogation unlawful. Erm...anyone know what happens now In the BBC News story:
"The UK government said it will appeal against the ruling to the Supreme Court in London."
And at the very end of the article, there is reference to another legal decision last week:
"In a separate case brought by anti-Brexit campaigner Gina Miller, the High Court in London also ruled last week that Mr Johnson had acted lawfully. Ms Miller is appealing that decision in the Supreme Court."
Toss a coin? Penalty shoot-out? Appeal to the European Court...?
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Post by sherlock on Sept 11, 2019 18:53:21 GMT
Operation Yellowhammer documents have been published...they’re not fun reading.
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Post by doctorkernow on Sept 11, 2019 20:25:59 GMT
Hello again.
Remind me again why the cabinet are rushing hell bent to this chaotic future? This is not in the best interests of the United Kingdom. I do not care what Mr Johnson says. The upheaval will not do anything to help the difficulties this country faces.
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Post by muckypup on Sept 11, 2019 20:40:52 GMT
I don’t care about a deal or no deal.....
I want a clause where we can rejoin in 5 years when we realise this government has f???..d everything up
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Sept 12, 2019 1:15:11 GMT
I don’t care about a deal or no deal..... I want a clause where we can rejoin in 5 years when we realise this government has f???..d everything up It's already been effed up, so why leave? And you don't need a clause because anyone can apply to join, they just have to accept all the rules as they currently stand, which will in future include adopting the euro, which is fine but some people have issues with it for whatever reason. And you won't get a clause allowing the UK back in on its current terms, if there were to be a clause, because why would the other 27 put up with that?
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 12, 2019 8:07:45 GMT
I don’t care about a deal or no deal..... I want a clause where we can rejoin in 5 years when we realise this government has f???..d everything up It's already been effed up, so why leave? And you don't need a clause because anyone can apply to join, they just have to accept all the rules as they currently stand, which will in future include adopting the euro, which is fine but some people have issues with it for whatever reason. And you won't get a clause allowing the UK back in on its current terms, if there were to be a clause, because why would the other 27 put up with that? Also, 5 years from 31 Oct 2019 is 31 Oct 2024. If Boris wins November election he is likely in office until November 2024, so earliest we could get an alternative government that would even consider taking us back in would be after the 5 years were up!
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 12, 2019 9:36:52 GMT
Interesting speech from Angela Merkel (as an aside she always makes me think of Rosa Klebb) in which she said UK would have to match EU standards on social and environmental protection - the so-called level playing field - as part of a future trade deal. A large part of the appeal of brexit for the ERG, if not the main reason for it, is the ability to ditch the EU's standards. But if Boris goes for NI only backstop, then in theory GB is free to go its own way on these issues. So why would he sign up to EU standards? I think it is a reflection of the weakness of his current negotiating position - he NEEDS a deal to survive politically, it is the only way to dig himself out of the hole he is in, and the EU know that, hence Merkel is starting to demand more from the UK. From the EU's point of view this is win-win. Either Boris gives the EU what it wants in terms of NI-only backstop and level playing field for GB, or he doesn't get a deal, likely loses the election and the EU then has to deal with a much more more amenable Labour PM. So Boris has gone from what he thought was the strongest negotiating possible position - threatening no deal - to the weakest possible position with no-deal ruled out and so desperate for a deal he will have to agree to anything the EU ask. There is no such thing as a good brexit for the UK, only varying degrees of bad brexit. www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/11/angela-merkel-stresses-danger-of-britain-becoming-singapore-on-thames-no-deal
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2019 18:50:40 GMT
Well, after reading Operation Yellowhammer surely only the most pig-ignorant brexiteer would want to leave with No Deal?
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Post by Digi on Sept 14, 2019 18:32:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 18:58:25 GMT
Lovely to see David Cameron, who started the Brexit ball rolling because he wasn't aware of the strength of feeling of the GBP, has a book coming out. I'm sure he'd like lots of people to buy it, and I'm sure lots of people will. David, who left his job as Prime Minister the day the votes to leave the EU came in, tells us he feels Boris Johnson and Michael Gove have behaved appallingly concerning Brexit, and results of the vote back in 2016 have left him 'hugely depressed'. Some might argue that their behaviour wouldn't be so important had he not orchestrated the vote to leave the EU, but hey ho. He feels that 'some people will never forgive me.'
Anyway, never mind about all that, can we please ensure we buy his memoirs? Oh, and read the serialization in The Times too. That would be piggin' wonderful.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 14, 2019 19:58:36 GMT
Lovely to see David Cameron, who started the Brexit ball rolling because he wasn't aware of the strength of feeling of the GBP, has a book coming out. I'm sure he'd like lots of people to buy it, and I'm sure lots of people will. David, who left his job as Prime Minister the day the votes to leave the EU came in, tells us he feels Boris Johnson and Michael Gove have behaved appallingly concerning Brexit, and results of the vote back in 2016 have left him 'hugely depressed'. Some might argue that their behaviour wouldn't be so important had he not orchestrated the vote to leave the EU, but hey ho. He feels that 'smome people will never forgive me.'
Anyway, never mind about all that, can we please ensure we buy his memoirs? Oh, and read the serialization in The Times too. That would be piggin' wonderful.
Signed copy pre-ordered from Waterstones. I'll get my coat
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 20:12:43 GMT
Lovely to see David Cameron, who started the Brexit ball rolling because he wasn't aware of the strength of feeling of the GBP, has a book coming out. I'm sure he'd like lots of people to buy it, and I'm sure lots of people will. David, who left his job as Prime Minister the day the votes to leave the EU came in, tells us he feels Boris Johnson and Michael Gove have behaved appallingly concerning Brexit, and results of the vote back in 2016 have left him 'hugely depressed'. Some might argue that their behaviour wouldn't be so important had he not orchestrated the vote to leave the EU, but hey ho. He feels that 'some people will never forgive me.'
Anyway, never mind about all that, can we please ensure we buy his memoirs? Oh, and read the serialization in The Times too. That would be piggin' wonderful.
The oft quoted anecdote regards Cameron was, according to the once unbiased Private Eye was, ahem 'porkies'. It cost the journalist who reported it as fact, her reputation, as it was a stitch up for not awarding a disgruntled Tory a Knighthood. Can't make up a silk purse out of a sows ear, etc, etc...
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 16, 2019 9:52:25 GMT
Apparently there is a loophole in the Benn Act so Boris does not need to ask for an extension.
If MPs approve Theresa May's deal before 19th he does not have to request an extension, and he is free of the requirements of the Benn Act, but if Parliament doesn't then pass the enabling legislation required by the EU Withdrawal Act, then we still leave with no deal by default. To get the numbers, he would need to get the ERG to vote for May's Act and the Labour brexiteers, but the ERG would be voting for it in order to sneakily enable no-deal, while the Labour brexiteers would be voting for it to prevent no deal, so it would be a difficult balancing act to pull off politically, but it is legally possible under the terms of the Benn Act.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 12:16:00 GMT
More lies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 14:27:35 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Sept 19, 2019 13:24:37 GMT
Here’s a thread by the Telegraph Europe Editor’s (who by and large seems to ignore the Telegraph’s current ‘Boris can do no wrong’ attitude) looking at a speech the Brexit Secretary gave today in Spain. Worryingly, it seems to focus entirely on making threats.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on Sept 20, 2019 22:42:02 GMT
I see Corbyn and his allies are trying to get rid of deputy leader Tom Watson.
Madness. Corbyn needs to be positioning himself as a unifier, a healer for the country, but he can't even unite his own party and is doing everything he can to divide it. If Labour had a half decent, centrist leader they would be miles ahead in the polls.
A Boris and Dom are doing their best to alienate moderate voters, Corbyn ought to be doing his best to hoover them up, but instead he seems equally determined to drive them away.
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