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Post by pdt on Aug 16, 2018 7:51:27 GMT
I have one concern about all of this... Is there enough story in each story to create a two-disc release without most of the running time being brand new material? The strips have never been the lengthiest things...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 10:23:17 GMT
Alan Barnes is a HUGE comic book nerd and worked at 2000 AD for a time. I can't imagine he hasn't tried to get in contact with Pat Mills about the adapations and there won't be significant discussion and celeberation on his and Dave Gibbon's legacy on Who. You'd be imagining wrong! The first Pat Mills heard of these adaptations was on Sunday, after it was announced... somebody told him on Twitter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 10:38:58 GMT
Alan Barnes is a HUGE comic book nerd and worked at 2000 AD for a time. I can't imagine he hasn't tried to get in contact with Pat Mills about the adapations and there won't be significant discussion and celeberation on his and Dave Gibbon's legacy on Who. You'd be imagining wrong! The first Pat Mills heard of these adaptations was on Sunday, after it was announced... somebody told him on Twitter. I can't imagine it wasn't in vain, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 12:28:34 GMT
You'd be imagining wrong! The first Pat Mills heard of these adaptations was on Sunday, after it was announced... somebody told him on Twitter. I can't imagine it wasn't in vain, though. Really? They're both on Twitter & Barnes follows Pat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 12:46:07 GMT
I can't imagine it wasn't in vain, though. Really? They're both on Twitter & Barnes follows Pat. Um, you do reliase that Alan Barnes was unlikely to contact Patt Mills through Twitter about it, right? I mean, I can't imagine any proffessional discussing an adapation of someone's work through Twitter. That would not happen, ever. If Twitter was back in the day and that was how Big Finish conducted themselves, the BBC would never have given Big Finish the licencse to Who. That would just not happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 12:59:14 GMT
Really? They're both on Twitter & Barnes follows Pat. Um, you do reliase that Alan Barnes was unlikely to contact Patt Mills through Twitter about it, right? I mean, I can't imagine any proffessional discussing an adapation of someone's work through Twitter. That would not happen, ever. If Twitter was back in the day and that was how Big Finish conducted themselves, the BBC would never have given Big Finish the licencse to Who. That would just not happen. Really? If they follow each other they can then contact each other via DM . I of course would not imagine them going in to detail openly on twitter. This in fact is how the film director Ben Wheatley 'met' Geoff Barrow from Portishead & they then subsequently worked together. So I do not think it that unlikely. It is certainly within the realm of possibility.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:04:54 GMT
Um, you do reliase that Alan Barnes was unlikely to contact Patt Mills through Twitter about it, right? I mean, I can't imagine any proffessional discussing an adapation of someone's work through Twitter. That would not happen, ever. If Twitter was back in the day and that was how Big Finish conducted themselves, the BBC would never have given Big Finish the licencse to Who. That would just not happen. Really? If they follow each other they can then contact each other via DM . I of course would not imagine them going in to detail openly on twitter. This in fact is how the film director Ben Wheatley 'met' Geoff Barrow from Portishead & they then subsequently worked together. So I do not think it that unlikely. It is certainly within the realm of possibility. He would get so many DMs. That's nice for Ben Whately, but this is NOT how stuff like this usually works. What probably happened was that Barnes wanted to get Mills and Gibbons blessing, but just couldn't get in contact with him through the usual means because Mills and Gibbons were probably either out of contact or too busy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:40:30 GMT
Really? If they follow each other they can then contact each other via DM . I of course would not imagine them going in to detail openly on twitter. This in fact is how the film director Ben Wheatley 'met' Geoff Barrow from Portishead & they then subsequently worked together. So I do not think it that unlikely. It is certainly within the realm of possibility. He would get so many DMs. That's nice for Ben Whately, but this is NOT how stuff like this usually works. What probably happened was that Barnes wanted to get Mills and Gibbons blessing, but just couldn't get in contact with him through the usual means because Mills and Gibbons were probably either out of contact or too busy. No. The DM function is something that one can turn on or off, allow anyone to contact or only followers. I'm not saying this is what could have happened but am not ruling it out. Maybe he did try via other means we'll never know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 14:16:33 GMT
He would get so many DMs. That's nice for Ben Whately, but this is NOT how stuff like this usually works. What probably happened was that Barnes wanted to get Mills and Gibbons blessing, but just couldn't get in contact with him through the usual means because Mills and Gibbons were probably either out of contact or too busy. No. The DM function is something that one can turn on or off, allow anyone to contact or only followers. I'm not saying this is what could have happened but am not ruling it out. Maybe he did try via other means we'll never know. I'm sorry, but no proffessional is contacting someone about an adapation about their work through Twitter DMs. That NEVER happens. Yes, he only allows private contacts, but that's not how ANY discussion about an adapation of his work would go down. No-one is conducting discussions about creative projects that way. It would make Big Finish look incredibly unproffessional and unorganised and unable to go through the proper channels. It would NOT happen. Big Finish might as well send a carrier pigeon to Steven Moffatt about The Weeping Angels because they couldn't get in contact with him.
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Post by dorney on Aug 16, 2018 14:34:35 GMT
It’s worth mentioning that Alan and Pat worked together on the Lucie Miller stories so they probably have each others emails.
Of course, it isn’t really the adaptors job to personally check things out with the person whose work they’re adapting (I did three Lost Stories and four novel adapts before we even glance at the Avengers and I don’t think I’ve spoken to anyone - though I got a lovely email from Robert Banks Stewart after the release of Foe from the Future, and had some nice tweets from Gareth Roberts) so it’s kind of moot.
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Post by Whovitt on Aug 16, 2018 14:36:38 GMT
There's a lot of possibilities to explore if this takes off. If all goes well, Five fans still looking to see him solo with an original companion could get them in the form of Sir Justin for The Stockbridge Horror or Gus, an American fighter pilot, from later stories. I'd love a boxset of Tides/Stars/Horror, as long as they could get Mark Williams back to play Max! Same with Jemima Rooper and Robert Jezek for Izzy and the Bird Did anyone else read "Izzy and the Bird" and get an altered version of the theme tune for Pinky and the Brain stuck in their head for several hours, 'cause I sure as heck did
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Post by xlozdob on Aug 16, 2018 14:49:10 GMT
No. The DM function is something that one can turn on or off, allow anyone to contact or only followers. I'm not saying this is what could have happened but am not ruling it out. Maybe he did try via other means we'll never know. I'm sorry, but no proffessional is contacting someone about an adapation about their work through Twitter DMs. That NEVER happens. Yes, he only allows private contacts, but that's not how ANY discussion about an adapation of his work would go down. No-one is conducting discussions about creative projects that way. It would make Big Finish look incredibly unproffessional and unorganised and unable to go through the proper channels. It would NOT happen. Big Finish might as well send a carrier pigeon to Steven Moffatt about The Weeping Angels because they couldn't get in contact with him. It wouldn't be as professionals, though. This hypothetical conversation would be between friends and just a formality of sorts, since the actual discussion regarding rights and plans for these adaptations would have taken place between Panini and Big Finish representatives either in a meeting room or through email (which, by your own standards, are extremely unprofessional? I don't know for sure, but Twitter DMs are probably at least as secure as Gmail, for example).
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Post by constonks on Aug 16, 2018 15:15:15 GMT
I'd love a boxset of Tides/Stars/Horror, as long as they could get Mark Williams back to play Max! Same with Jemima Rooper and Robert Jezek for Izzy and the Bird Did anyone else read "Izzy and the Bird" and get an altered version of the theme tune for Pinky and the Brain stuck in their head for several hours, 'cause I sure as heck did "Gee, Frobisher, what do you want to do tonight?" "Same thing we do every night, Izzy. Hit the streets, follow some cabs and try to make the big mazumas!" Hey, I'd watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 18:08:02 GMT
No. The DM function is something that one can turn on or off, allow anyone to contact or only followers. I'm not saying this is what could have happened but am not ruling it out. Maybe he did try via other means we'll never know. I'm sorry, but no proffessional is contacting someone about an adapation about their work through Twitter DMs. That NEVER happens. Yes, he only allows private contacts, but that's not how ANY discussion about an adapation of his work would go down. No-one is conducting discussions about creative projects that way. It would make Big Finish look incredibly unproffessional and unorganised and unable to go through the proper channels. It would NOT happen. Big Finish might as well send a carrier pigeon to Steven Moffatt about The Weeping Angels because they couldn't get in contact with him. How do you know no one is conducting discussions about creative projects that way? & anyway that is not what we are talking about. We are discussing if Alan told Pat this was happening. Which it appears neither he, nor anyone at Big Finish did. Granted they are under no obligation as the rights are with Pannini but it would have been nice. Not sure why you are comparison it to a carrier pigeon though. Not the same thing at all. Thanks for putting part of your response in bold...
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Post by bobod on Aug 16, 2018 19:44:06 GMT
You'd be imagining wrong! The first Pat Mills heard of these adaptations was on Sunday, after it was announced... somebody told him on Twitter. I can't imagine it wasn't in vain, though. If BF needed to contact Pat Mills for any reason, they would able to. They would not be struggling to do so.
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Post by dorney on Aug 16, 2018 21:06:51 GMT
I don’t particularly see why Alan’s getting singled out here, as that’s really not an adapter’s responsibility. If I’m honest, I’m not sure whose it is, or even whether it’s BFs or Panini’s (although, as you say, it’s technically not anyone’s responsibility at all!), but it certainly isn’t something the adapter should be expected to do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:34:20 GMT
I don’t particularly see why Alan’s getting singled out here, as that’s really not an adapter’s responsibility. If I’m honest, I’m not sure whose it is, or even whether it’s BFs or Panini’s (although, as you say, it’s technically not anyone’s responsibility at all!), but it certainly isn’t something the adapter should be expected to do. True. Just considering that Pat Mills wrote a couple stories for BF (which is I think how this discussion all started) they could have maybe let him know? They should have definitely told Dave Gibbons, then asked him to do a variant cover for the CD!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:47:43 GMT
I'm sorry, but no proffessional is contacting someone about an adapation about their work through Twitter DMs. That NEVER happens. Yes, he only allows private contacts, but that's not how ANY discussion about an adapation of his work would go down. No-one is conducting discussions about creative projects that way. It would make Big Finish look incredibly unproffessional and unorganised and unable to go through the proper channels. It would NOT happen. Big Finish might as well send a carrier pigeon to Steven Moffatt about The Weeping Angels because they couldn't get in contact with him. How do you know no one is conducting discussions about creative projects that way? & anyway that is not what we are talking about. We are discussing if Alan told Pat this was happening. Which it appears neither he, nor anyone at Big Finish did. Granted they are under no obligation as the rights are with Pannini but it would have been nice. Not sure why you are comparison it to a carrier pigeon though. Not the same thing at all. Thanks for putting part of your response in bold... Not on the level Big Finish does. You wouldn't do it, it would make them look bad. This isn't an unestablished a writer or artist looking for a creative partner to do doing an indie or web comic, this is a proffessional company, that acquires big name properties to further their legacy (hell, this is the small company thatthat tried to acquire the Firefly licencse), contacts actors through their agents, can you imagine what would happen if word got around if they wanted to adapting other comics either Docotr Who or otherwise to the writers and actors involved? Even Mills, who has written for Big Finish, saying: "Yeah, their great, but they contacted me on Twitter" to his collegules is not an inspiring comment to other writers and artists. I mean, I'm sorry, but do you think Big Finish DM Paramount for Star Trek: Prometheus? ITV for The Prisoner? I mean, if Matt Smit had a Twitter, do you think they DM him about reprising the role of The Doctor? Comics might be more nieche, but there's still standards of proffessionalism involved. And Mills is sixty-nine, Dave Gibbons is seventy-one. Yes, Pat Mills still writes, but it's not unfesiable either be out of contact for awhile. The likely scenario is that Big Finish wanted Pat Mills and Dave Gibbons blessing and input and both were either busy or unavaliable and things got moved up the schedule due to Tom being eighty. Long live Tom, but this is certiantly not improbable and probably usually happens with recording and was probably recorded fairly recently. I know Bobod is friendly with Big Finish and we've had our differences in the past and this isn't about that, and has been involved with conventions and I enjoy his podcast, but I can't imagine any proffessional company, conducting themselves through Twitter.
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Post by bobod on Aug 16, 2018 21:52:06 GMT
I wasn't talking about using Twitter. If anything I was saying they wouldn't need to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 22:01:44 GMT
I don’t particularly see why Alan’s getting singled out here, as that’s really not an adapter’s responsibility. If I’m honest, I’m not sure whose it is, or even whether it’s BFs or Panini’s (although, as you say, it’s technically not anyone’s responsibility at all!), but it certainly isn’t something the adapter should be expected to do. I honestly just hope that he has fun with it. It's got to be a dream project and his style's perfect for translating that medium (I still think of Brotherhood as TV21's Dalek Chronicles, featuring the Doctor). I have one concern about all of this... Is there enough story in each story to create a two-disc release without most of the running time being brand new material? The strips have never been the lengthiest things... Fair concern, but I think there'll be enough there to do a solid four-parter with if needs be. The Iron Legion and The Star Beast was originally released as eight parts with 34 pages in total, for example. The set pieces should allow for quite a bit of wiggle room in regards to blending the base panels with original flavour additions. Assuming they go for four-parters, I'm hoping they do.
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