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Post by constonks on Aug 16, 2018 3:27:21 GMT
www.radiotimes.com/news/2018-08-06/doctor-who-steven-moffat-replace-jenna-coleman-companion/This is what I was hoping when we were shown the Old Clara scene... I kept thinking "Go back for Shona!" She had a real Lucie Miller vibe IMO. Can't help but feel Season 9 would have been stronger, even if almost everything else was the same. And it would have maintained the beautifully bittersweet ending of Season 8 where the last things the Doctor and Clara said to each other were big fat well-intentioned lies. And would have left the mystery of Orson Pink ambiguous rather than nigh-impossible! But hey, maybe if Peter comes onto Big Finish... There's plenty of room for new stories after Last Christmas, either during Clara's time or after it. It might not solve some of the Clara era problems, but it could give us some Faye Marsay aboard the TARDIS!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 3:37:24 GMT
Eh, there both direct, but I think Lucie was more mature and considerate then Shona was. That's not to say I wouldn't be up for adventures with Shona, though  |
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Post by constonks on Aug 16, 2018 3:53:42 GMT
Eh, there both direct, but I think Lucie was more mature and considerate then Shona was. That's not to say I wouldn't be up for adventures with Shona, though I agree on the maturity but that's great for character development! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 4:12:28 GMT
Eh, if Last Christmas had been Clara's exit, it would have been rather anti-climatic for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 4:20:03 GMT
There is a lot of potential in her character. The Doctor dealing with a more direct blunt less reflective companion in contrast to Clara would be VERY intresting and Twelve lost in his regrets could easily overlook any potential negative or darker qualities, taking the edge off before he meets Bill.
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Post by constonks on Aug 16, 2018 4:28:16 GMT
Eh, if Last Christmas had been Clara's exit, it would have been rather anti-climatic for me. Well, Last Christmas would have been more of an epilogue, given that Clara would have lived a whole life between Death in Heaven and that one. As I said, I rather liked the Death in Heaven ending. Clara, who's spent an entire season lying to Danny about the Doctor, lies to the Doctor about Danny and, as such, she loses both of them in one story. For all their caring about each other, in fact because of it, they drive each other away. In that sense, it's the same sentiment as Hell Bent, but on a more relatable human scale (which companion endings DESPERATELY needed in the Moffat era). Then in Last Christmas, they'd see each other one last time, just to learn that the lies they told were in vain and for the Doctor to pay Clara back for her kindness on Trenzalore. One last moment between friends. Gosh, the more I think about it, the more I'm crushed we didn't get this version. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 4:37:16 GMT
Eh, if Last Christmas had been Clara's exit, it would have been rather anti-climatic for me. Well, Last Christmas would have been more of an epilogue, given that Clara would have lived a whole life between Death in Heaven and that one. As I said, I rather liked the Death in Heaven ending. Clara, who's spent an entire season lying to Danny about the Doctor, lies to the Doctor about Danny and, as such, she loses both of them in one story. For all their caring about each other, in fact because of it, they drive each other away. In that sense, it's the same sentiment as Hell Bent, but on a more relatable human scale (which companion endings DESPERATELY needed in the Moffat era). Then in Last Christmas, they'd see each other one last time, just to learn that the lies they told were in vain and for the Doctor to pay Clara back for her kindness on Trenzalore. One last moment between friends. Gosh, the more I think about it, the more I'm crushed we didn't get this version. Clara was very much Twelve's companion, despite starting off with Eleven, though. Despite Jenna having the option of leaving, the ending of Death in Heaven to me best plays out as series cliffhanger to be resolved for more adventures. Not following through up on the tension set up across series eight - that The Doctor and Clara were bad for each other - would have left a huge hole in the era for me, personally. |
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Post by constonks on Aug 16, 2018 4:53:26 GMT
Well, Last Christmas would have been more of an epilogue, given that Clara would have lived a whole life between Death in Heaven and that one. As I said, I rather liked the Death in Heaven ending. Clara, who's spent an entire season lying to Danny about the Doctor, lies to the Doctor about Danny and, as such, she loses both of them in one story. For all their caring about each other, in fact because of it, they drive each other away. In that sense, it's the same sentiment as Hell Bent, but on a more relatable human scale (which companion endings DESPERATELY needed in the Moffat era). Then in Last Christmas, they'd see each other one last time, just to learn that the lies they told were in vain and for the Doctor to pay Clara back for her kindness on Trenzalore. One last moment between friends. Gosh, the more I think about it, the more I'm crushed we didn't get this version. Clara was very much Twelve's companion, despite starting off with Eleven, though. Despite Jenna having the option of leaving, the ending of Death in Heaven to me best plays out as series cliffhanger to be resolved for more adventures. Not following through up on the tension set up across series eight - that The Doctor and Clara were bad for each other - would have left a huge hole in the era for me, personally. I do get your point there - viewing that as a setup in series eight and a payoff in season nine does make the idea of their final ending more satisfying. Even if the actual way it's resolved in Hell Bent left a lot to be desired IMO (which is probably why I'm imagining alternate realities where it all went differently). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 5:23:34 GMT
Clara was very much Twelve's companion, despite starting off with Eleven, though. Despite Jenna having the option of leaving, the ending of Death in Heaven to me best plays out as series cliffhanger to be resolved for more adventures. Not following through up on the tension set up across series eight - that The Doctor and Clara were bad for each other - would have left a huge hole in the era for me, personally. I do get your point there - viewing that as a setup in series eight and a payoff in season nine does make the idea of their final ending more satisfying. Even if the actual way it's resolved in Hell Bent left a lot to be desired IMO (which is probably why I'm imagining alternate realities where it all went differently). I guess from my perspective I had to think who Shona was? so companion material? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 5:33:46 GMT
I do get your point there - viewing that as a setup in series eight and a payoff in season nine does make the idea of their final ending more satisfying. Even if the actual way it's resolved in Hell Bent left a lot to be desired IMO (which is probably why I'm imagining alternate realities where it all went differently). I guess from my perspective I had to think who Shona was? so companion material? She appeared in Last Christmas. Just to jog your memory: "I will mark you, Santa!" Also: in my opinion, yessssssssssssssssssss. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 5:38:51 GMT
I guess from my perspective I had to think who Shona was? so companion material? She appeared in Last Christmas. Just to jog your memory: "I will mark you, Santa!" Also: in my opinion, yessssssssssssssssssss. Did nothing for me to be honest...mind you I lost interest where Clara was actually headed by then .There used to be days when I would watch who episodes many many times but it doesn’t happen with Nu Who I never get the urge to slip in a disc and revisit like I do with classic who. Claras gran would have made an ideal companion 😝 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 9:12:13 GMT
The first three of Clara’s exits were all pretty good imo so it doesn’t bother me that we didn’t get Shona. Bill as a character is in the same mould anyway, and had more to her than a boyfriend to get back to and some Game of Thrones to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 9:29:47 GMT
The first three of Clara’s exits were all pretty good imo so it doesn’t bother me that we didn’t get Shona. Bill as a character is in the same mould anyway, and had more to her than a boyfriend to get back to and some Game of Thrones to watch. Eh, Shona would be fun, though, pushing Twelve to be on his best behaviour It's too promising of a dynamic for Big Finish not to take up one day |
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Post by shutupbanks on Aug 16, 2018 9:33:02 GMT
I guess from my perspective I had to think who Shona was? so companion material? She appeared in Last Christmas. Just to jog your memory: "I will mark you, Santa!" Also: in my opinion, yessssssssssssssssssss. I was sold on the dance sequence. She was fantastic and would have made a brilliant companion. |
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 16, 2018 11:56:38 GMT
Clara in season 9 did my nut her & Ashildr, I'd certainly welcomed Shona as a new companion who might have given the season bit more dynamic, then again we may not have had Bill had Shona joined the Tardis & i adored Pearl Mackie performances as Bill which i wouldn't want to trade.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 12:29:17 GMT
Clara in season 9 did my nut her & Ashildr, I'd certainly welcomed Shona as a new companion who might have given the season bit more dynamic, then again we may not have had Bill had Shona joined the Tardis & i adored Pearl Mackie performances as Bill which i wouldn't want to trade. Eh, I liked Ashildr. She's the sort of character I'm suprised the series didn't introduce before and essentinal to Twelve's journey - a counterpoint to his worldview who walks the same road he does who is none the less good, but offers a different perspective and can see his failings in the long-term compared to their mortal friends and something had to keep Twelve in the shadows. I suppose, Ohila does covers that territory as well, but given her connection to the Time War, there's only so much you can do with her (and The Day of The Doctor novelisation kind of defines her in this regard moving forward). |
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Post by sherlock on Aug 16, 2018 12:52:48 GMT
Eh, if Last Christmas had been Clara's exit, it would have been rather anti-climatic for me. Well, Last Christmas would have been more of an epilogue, given that Clara would have lived a whole life between Death in Heaven and that one. As I said, I rather liked the Death in Heaven ending. Clara, who's spent an entire season lying to Danny about the Doctor, lies to the Doctor about Danny and, as such, she loses both of them in one story. For all their caring about each other, in fact because of it, they drive each other away. In that sense, it's the same sentiment as Hell Bent, but on a more relatable human scale (which companion endings DESPERATELY needed in the Moffat era). Then in Last Christmas, they'd see each other one last time, just to learn that the lies they told were in vain and for the Doctor to pay Clara back for her kindness on Trenzalore. One last moment between friends. Gosh, the more I think about it, the more I'm crushed we didn't get this version. When you put it like that, it sounds infinitely better than what we got in Hell Bent. Shona was a great, fun character so I'd have been more than happy with her instead of Clara in Series 9. Who knows maybe Big Finish can do something with the character one day. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:28:56 GMT
Clara in season 9 did my nut her & Ashildr, I'd certainly welcomed Shona as a new companion who might have given the season bit more dynamic, then again we may not have had Bill had Shona joined the Tardis & i adored Pearl Mackie performances as Bill which i wouldn't want to trade. Eh, I liked Ashildr. She's the sort of character I'm suprised the series didn't introduce before and essentinal to Twelve's journey - a counterpoint to his worldview who walks the same road he does who is none the less good, but offers a different perspective and can see his failings in the long-term compared to their mortal friends and something had to keep Twelve in the shadows. I suppose, Ohila does covers that territory as well, but given her connection to the Time War, there's only so much you can do with her (and The Day of The Doctor novelisation kind of defines her in this regard moving forward). I like the concept of Ashildr, but Maisie Williams’s performance is awful. It almost ruins Face the Raven. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:41:52 GMT
She would have been great. Far better than Clara who should have been killed off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 13:46:07 GMT
Eh, I liked Ashildr. She's the sort of character I'm suprised the series didn't introduce before and essentinal to Twelve's journey - a counterpoint to his worldview who walks the same road he does who is none the less good, but offers a different perspective and can see his failings in the long-term compared to their mortal friends and something had to keep Twelve in the shadows. I suppose, Ohila does covers that territory as well, but given her connection to the Time War, there's only so much you can do with her (and The Day of The Doctor novelisation kind of defines her in this regard moving forward). I like the concept of Ashildr, but Maisie Williams’s performance is awful. It almost ruins Face the Raven. Eh, can't help but disagree with you, there. I haven't seen Game of Thrones because I want to read the books sometime next century, but I found her very natural. She didn't play it as the sci-fi immortal, but instead simply as a woman trapped in the body of a girl who had lived hundreds (and when we saw her in Hell Bent), thousands of years, beyond the scope of mortal recknoning or experience. All the days lost, but none the less felt, just out of reach. It's a disconcerting, unsettling, unnerving performance, as it is tragic and sad. Very subtle, very layered, very simple and very complex performance. |
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