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Post by rran on Aug 16, 2018 15:43:20 GMT
Eh, I liked Ashildr. She's the sort of character I'm suprised the series didn't introduce before and essentinal to Twelve's journey - a counterpoint to his worldview who walks the same road he does who is none the less good, but offers a different perspective and can see his failings in the long-term compared to their mortal friends and something had to keep Twelve in the shadows. I suppose, Ohila does covers that territory as well, but given her connection to the Time War, there's only so much you can do with her (and The Day of The Doctor novelisation kind of defines her in this regard moving forward). I like the concept of Ashildr, but Maisie Williams’s performance is awful. It almost ruins Face the Raven. Same here. As much as I loved her as Arya Stark, I couldn’t stand Ashildr-not the character, but the performance.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 16, 2018 17:38:57 GMT
She would have been great. Far better than Clara who should have been killed off. She was but she got more lives than Jason Voorhees lol. Clara & Ashildr both did my head in.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 16, 2018 17:40:04 GMT
Maisie as Arya Stark she's brilliant, Maisie as Ashildr for me was just awful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 17:41:04 GMT
She would have been great. Far better than Clara who should have been killed off. SHE WAS! 😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 17:43:23 GMT
Given that Mr Moffat is no longer at the helm he must be breathing a sigh of relief and i bet his scripts will be brilliant again i have high hopes for his submissions to big finish now that the pressure of running a show is no longer his and if the actors all agree to return to big finish they can be honed and refined.When Capaldi said Does anyone know how to fly this thing,i had high hopes we would go back to the day when we did not know where the tardis would land,when we had companions that had no twists.Simpler times and for me more entertaining. aand now am off to watch Poldark...i hope Dorian isn’t in it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 18:01:57 GMT
She would have been great. Far better than Clara who should have been killed off. SHE WAS! 😂 Properly! Not in the silly way it was done so she can fly around the universe in a space diner. So desperate to leave the door open for a spin off!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 18:04:36 GMT
Properly! Not in the silly way it was done so she can fly around the universe in a space diner. So desperate to leave the door open for a spin off! Yes didn’t like that either,the skies are mightily crowded up there now Jenny Clara etc etc etc I would prefer independent unlinked stories but i felt even with RTD they were leaving spaces deliberately and thinking to themselves i will fill those spaces when am writing for BF
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 16, 2018 20:00:39 GMT
I liked Shona and would have been fine with her being Clara's replacement. I wish The Last Christmas had been Clara's swansong. And I agree, series 9 would have been stronger without Clara in it.
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Post by bobod on Aug 16, 2018 21:16:38 GMT
I like the concept of Ashildr, but Maisie Williams’s performance is awful. It almost ruins Face the Raven. Eh, can't help but disagree with you, there. I haven't seen Game of Thrones because I want to read the books sometime next century, but I found her very natural. She didn't play it as the sci-fi immortal, but instead simply as a woman trapped in the body of a girl who had lived hundreds (and when we saw her in Hell Bent), thousands of years, beyond the scope of mortal recknoning or experience. All the days lost, but none the less felt, just out of reach. It's a disconcerting, unsettling, unnerving performance, as it is tragic and sad. Very subtle, very layered, very simple and very complex performance. I think Ashildr is the easily the weakest "important" part of New Who. Each of her episodes would have been improved with a different performance. I think Face the Raven (although I've yet to reach that in my Capaldi rewatch - which mostly I'm loving) is not the main casualty though, The Woman Who Lived is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:28:33 GMT
Eh, can't help but disagree with you, there. I haven't seen Game of Thrones because I want to read the books sometime next century, but I found her very natural. She didn't play it as the sci-fi immortal, but instead simply as a woman trapped in the body of a girl who had lived hundreds (and when we saw her in Hell Bent), thousands of years, beyond the scope of mortal recknoning or experience. All the days lost, but none the less felt, just out of reach. It's a disconcerting, unsettling, unnerving performance, as it is tragic and sad. Very subtle, very layered, very simple and very complex performance. I think Ashildr is the easily the weakest "important" part of New Who. Each of her episodes would have been improved with a different performance. I think Face the Raven (although I've yet to reach that in my Capaldi rewatch - which mostly I'm loving) is not the main casualty though, The Woman Who Lived is. The main difference for me though is that Face the Raven is a much stronger episode (as in its one of my absolute favourites ever) so her performance is more noticeably bad against the quality of the rest of the production.
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Post by bobod on Aug 16, 2018 21:33:20 GMT
I think Ashildr is the easily the weakest "important" part of New Who. Each of her episodes would have been improved with a different performance. I think Face the Raven (although I've yet to reach that in my Capaldi rewatch - which mostly I'm loving) is not the main casualty though, The Woman Who Lived is. The main difference for me though is that Face the Raven is a much stronger episode (as in its one of my absolute favourites ever) so her performance is more noticeably bad against the quality of the rest of the production. My reasoning that Ashildr killed The Woman Who Lived which needed a great back-and-forth with Capaldi, Face the Raven was still good enough despite Ashildr.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 23:26:35 GMT
Properly! Not in the silly way it was done so she can fly around the universe in a space diner. So desperate to leave the door open for a spin off! Yes didn’t like that either,the skies are mightily crowded up there now Jenny Clara etc etc etc I would prefer independent unlinked stories but i felt even with RTD they were leaving spaces deliberately and thinking to themselves i will fill those spaces when am writing for BF Eh, I think that's wishful thinking. RTD's main pirority was to introduce this new exciting show called Doctor Who for a new generation. That's not to say there isn't a clear love of Big Finish (when the revival licencse was announced, there was such unrestrained glee in his voice in the introductory podcast to new listeners or how delighted he was that Big Finish were adapting Damaged Goods and how off-hands he was with the production ), the man pretty much saved Big Finish back in 2003 when the BBC didn't want to renew Big Finish's licencse ahead of the revival. But , the show - and the legacy of Who - needed a sense of danger and loss, an edge to The Doctor's adventures in the first finale to the new and reaquianted audience with Jack and Rose 'deaths' and a sense that things weren't always going to play out as you expected. Highlighting all the adventures we never saw was part of that, especially with Ecclestone departing from the role. Having an unseen time gap after Rose and have The Doctor essentinally deal with his loss offscreen helped to establish that the show wasn't defined by Rose and opened and enabled a rotating cast of characters and actors, as well as broadening the show's horizons for the uninitated. While there's not to say there isn't room to work with (I think there's defiently been enough time and distance for Big Finish to do some VERY intresting stuff with Ten pre-Martha), but it defiantly wasn't RTD's top pirority. Given that show had been more established after RTD's depature, Moffatt was more in a position to open gaps for Big Finish.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 16, 2018 23:42:23 GMT
While there's not to say there isn't room to work with (I think there's defiently been enough time and distance for Big Finish to do some VERY intresting stuff with Ten pre-Martha), but it defiantly wasn't RTD's top pirority. Given that show had been more established after RTD's depature, Moffatt was more in a position to open gaps for Big Finish. Moffat has been quoted on several occasions saying that he left Big Finish huge gaps to play with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 23:54:00 GMT
While there's not to say there isn't room to work with (I think there's defiently been enough time and distance for Big Finish to do some VERY intresting stuff with Ten pre-Martha), but it defiantly wasn't RTD's top pirority. Given that show had been more established after RTD's depature, Moffatt was more in a position to open gaps for Big Finish. Moffat has been quoted on several occasions saying that he left Big Finish huge gaps to play with. Like, I said
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Post by bobod on Aug 17, 2018 0:10:06 GMT
But nobody said it WAS his top priority, just that he did so.
Although Audity is being very optimistic (to say the very least) to think that either Russell or Steven would be writing any such Big Finish stories set in these gaps themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 0:18:13 GMT
But nobody said it WAS his top priority, just that he did so. Although Audity is being very optimistic (to say the very least) to think that either Russell or Steven would be writing any such Big Finish stories set in these gaps themselves. As Audio Watchdog has said, on multiple occasions, Moffatt's talked about leaving gaps open for Big Finish.
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Post by bobod on Aug 17, 2018 0:19:16 GMT
But nobody said it WAS his top priority, just that he did so. Although Audity is being very optimistic (to say the very least) to think that either Russell or Steven would be writing any such Big Finish stories set in these gaps themselves. As Audio Watchdog has said, on multiple occasions, Moffatt's talked about leaving gaps open for Big Finish. We all know he was. No one is disputing that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 0:23:33 GMT
As Audio Watchdog has said, on multiple occasions, Moffatt's talked about leaving gaps open for Big Finish. We all know he was. No one is disputing that. Oh, okay. I forgot about that.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 17, 2018 1:14:14 GMT
I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I can't imagine Steven Moffat ever writing for Big Finish. I can see him being consulted with and giving notes as RTD has done, especially if a Paternoster Gang spin-off happens. Still I don't think Moffat had a to-do list that included building gaps into the 11th & 12th Doctor timelines for Big Finish to exploit. I just think he is fond of Big Finish and it was a case where giving them gaps didn't effect his plans for the show at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 1:21:07 GMT
Properly! Not in the silly way it was done so she can fly around the universe in a space diner. So desperate to leave the door open for a spin off! I think people blow this scene way out of proportion. What would be the point in clara saying okay time to die, going back to galifrey just to reshow her death that happened two episodes. Its clearly happened by twice upon a time so does it matter that its not shown? “The long way round” was just a cheeky wink at the audience to hint they may have some adventures and not end the story on a total downer. And fine if you think clara shouldn’t have been brought back in Hell Bent but if she didn’t then it would make the doctors motivations for breaking the wall in heaven sent meaningless and take away its symbolism of the doctor not accepting or “confessing” to her death. I mean sure you could have the doctor do that because he’s angry and wage war on the time lords for technically causing claras death in hell bent but i think thats way more ooc for the doctor than to try and save his friend...ugh oh well i’ve made peace that ill be one of few that love’s Hell Bent and Clara oh and um Shona...yeah i guess she would have been alright. Might have helped if Shona had been in series 9 to help ratings, might have gave them a boost but i dont know really. Could do big finish one day easily tho.
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