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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 1:30:22 GMT
I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I can't imagine Steven Moffat ever writing for Big Finish. I can see him being consulted with and giving notes as RTD has done, especially if a Paternoster Gang spin-off happens. Still I don't think Moffat had a to-do list that included building gaps into the 11th & 12th Doctor timelines for Big Finish to exploit. I just think he is fond of Big Finish and it was a case where giving them gaps didn't effect his plans for the show at all. I wouldn't rule it out completly, although I'd imagine all eyes on Dracula. Beneath the charm and the jokes lies a very giddy fanboy and whose excitment to play with his toys was VERY apparent across his time ( The Pandorcia Opens, The Snowmen) while still pushing them forward into new directions ( Asylum of the Daleks, Strax, The Socerer's Appretience/The Witch's Farmaliar, Missy was very Ainley). There was a definite sense of relish over using the original Doctors in The Day of The Doctor episode and novelisation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 4:54:58 GMT
I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I can't imagine Steven Moffat ever writing for Big Finish. I can see him being consulted with and giving notes as RTD has done, especially if a Paternoster Gang spin-off happens. Still I don't think Moffat had a to-do list that included building gaps into the 11th & 12th Doctor timelines for Big Finish to exploit. I just think he is fond of Big Finish and it was a case where giving them gaps didn't effect his plans for the show at all. The Least Important Man by Steven Moffat Well he is included in The Bennie Treasury ok its from before he was showrunner but I think he will write once he has rested his brain
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 8:10:56 GMT
I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I can't imagine Steven Moffat ever writing for Big Finish. I can see him being consulted with and giving notes as RTD has done, especially if a Paternoster Gang spin-off happens. Still I don't think Moffat had a to-do list that included building gaps into the 11th & 12th Doctor timelines for Big Finish to exploit. I just think he is fond of Big Finish and it was a case where giving them gaps didn't effect his plans for the show at all. The Least Important Man by Steven Moffat Well he is included in The Bennie Treasury ok its from before he was showrunner but I think he will write once he has rested his brain And I think found some distance from fandom. If The Fan Show interview revealed anything, I think he's geniually been hurt a bit by fandom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 8:18:26 GMT
Properly! Not in the silly way it was done so she can fly around the universe in a space diner. So desperate to leave the door open for a spin off! I think people blow this scene way out of proportion. What would be the point in clara saying okay time to die, going back to galifrey just to reshow her death that happened two episodes. Its clearly happened by twice upon a time so does it matter that its not shown? “The long way round” was just a cheeky wink at the audience to hint they may have some adventures and not end the story on a total downer. And fine if you think clara shouldn’t have been brought back in Hell Bent but if she didn’t then it would make the doctors motivations for breaking the wall in heaven sent meaningless and take away its symbolism of the doctor not accepting or “confessing” to her death. I mean sure you could have the doctor do that because he’s angry and wage war on the time lords for technically causing claras death in hell bent but i think thats way more ooc for the doctor than to try and save his friend...ugh oh well i’ve made peace that ill be one of few that love’s Hell Bent and Clara oh and um Shona...yeah i guess she would have been alright. Might have helped if Shona had been in series 9 to help ratings, might have gave them a boost but i dont know really. Could do big finish one day easily tho. They should have just killed her properly to negate the option of her having to go back to accept her death & all that nonsense. Her character had run their course. It would have also been something different for the audience.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 8:34:02 GMT
I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I can't imagine Steven Moffat ever writing for Big Finish. I can see him being consulted with and giving notes as RTD has done, especially if a Paternoster Gang spin-off happens. Still I don't think Moffat had a to-do list that included building gaps into the 11th & 12th Doctor timelines for Big Finish to exploit. I just think he is fond of Big Finish and it was a case where giving them gaps didn't effect his plans for the show at all. The Least Important Man by Steven Moffat Well he is included in The Bennie Treasury ok its from before he was showrunner but I think he will write once he has rested his brain God help me, but I'd totally watch/listen/read a story called The Least Important Man. Yeah, I think so too. Judging from how much he tried to write during his tenure, I'm willing to say he'll get that itch for Who again after some distance. Two funny things straight off the bat (funny weird). One, I got the impression watching Last Christmas that Shona was being groomed as Clara's replacement, so I was a bit surprised when she didn't end up joining at the end of the story. Two, I can remember Series 9 having a really peculiar marketing campaign. It was arguably just as experimental as its predecessor (trying for Season 22 in a NuWho context), but they played it all down as "same old, same old". I'm not sure if it would have made much of a difference, although who can say? Might've been rather fun. There could be some very interesting character groundwork for Twelve between Last Christmas and The Magician's Apprentice with Shona as a companion, that's certainly a door that could be opened.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 9:07:02 GMT
The Least Important Man by Steven Moffat Well he is included in The Bennie Treasury ok its from before he was showrunner but I think he will write once he has rested his brain God help me, but I'd totally watch/listen/read a story called The Least Important Man. Yeah, I think so too. Judging from how much he tried to write during his tenure, I'm willing to say he'll get that itch for Who again after some distance. Two funny things straight off the bat (funny weird). One, I got the impression watching Last Christmas that Shona was being groomed as Clara's replacement, so I was a bit surprised when she didn't end up joining at the end of the story. Two, I can remember Series 9 having a really peculiar marketing campaign. It was arguably just as experimental as its predecessor (trying for Season 22 in a NuWho context), but they played it all down as "same old, same old". I'm not sure if it would have made much of a difference, although who can say? Might've been rather fun. There could be some very interesting character groundwork for Twelve between Last Christmas and The Magician's Apprentice with Shona as a companion, that's certainly a door that could be opened. I think Davros and the Daleks would have been positioned later on in the series - you don't want to start off with farmaliar elements to distance the new companion from the old. Series 9 would probably have opened up with something more optimistic and hopeful and new, with some very sharp edges underneath, slowly circlng. I'd imagine the structure of The Magician's Appretience/The Witch's Farmaliar would have been completly different: ColonySav confronting The Doctor and Shona on an adventure either at the end of an episode or pre-codes, Shona making jokes and empty threats before being seemingly killed by the Daleks and Missy wouldn't have featured at all. Shona discovering and confronting The Doctor's darker side. ("Your really scary") The biggest failing of Series 9 was that it wasn't event-driven. While Series 8 took the gamble in not having much of an arc and building it around how different the new Doctor was to a large portion of the audience, Moffatt made the mistake the second time around believing that Clara's time in the TARDIS coming to a close could be the series and it's not a suprise it didn't work for a large portion of the audience. Companions coming and going wasn't anything new to the audience and the HYBRID arc was very lightly applied, even by past series standards. And as much as I hate to say it: a series of two-parters probably WASN'T the best idea, when your show has away for a year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 9:36:26 GMT
God help me, but I'd totally watch/listen/read a story called The Least Important Man. Yeah, I think so too. Judging from how much he tried to write during his tenure, I'm willing to say he'll get that itch for Who again after some distance. Two funny things straight off the bat (funny weird). One, I got the impression watching Last Christmas that Shona was being groomed as Clara's replacement, so I was a bit surprised when she didn't end up joining at the end of the story. Two, I can remember Series 9 having a really peculiar marketing campaign. It was arguably just as experimental as its predecessor (trying for Season 22 in a NuWho context), but they played it all down as "same old, same old". I'm not sure if it would have made much of a difference, although who can say? Might've been rather fun. There could be some very interesting character groundwork for Twelve between Last Christmas and The Magician's Apprentice with Shona as a companion, that's certainly a door that could be opened. I think Davros and the Daleks would have been positioned later on in the series - you don't want to start off with farmaliar elements to distance the new companion from the old. Series 9 would probably have opened up with something more optimistic and hopeful and new, with some very sharp edges underneath, slowly circlng. I'd imagine the structure of The Magician's Appretience/The Witch's Farmaliar would have been completly different: ColonySav confronting The Doctor and Shona on an adventure either at the end of an episode or pre-codes, Shona making jokes and empty threats before being seemingly killed by the Daleks and Missy wouldn't have featured at all. Shona discovering and confronting The Doctor's darker side. ("Your really scary") The biggest failing of Series 9 was that it wasn't event-driven. While Series 8 took the gamble in not having much of an arc and building it around how different the new Doctor was to a large portion of the audience, Moffatt made the mistake the second time around believing that Clara's time in the TARDIS coming to a close could be the series and it's not a suprise it didn't work for a large portion of the audience. Companions coming and going wasn't anything new to the audience and the HYBRID arc was very lightly applied, even by past series standards. And as much as I hate to say it: a series of two-parters probably WASN'T the best idea, when your show has away for a year. Fair. For me personally, Series 9 didn't go quite far enough with the new format. The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar handled it fairly well (with an interesting Attack of the Cybermen vibe), but there wasn't quite enough going on in each tale to justify the change to more consolidated stories. They felt a little too much like a single episode stretched out across 90-minutes. Must have been good practice, though, because Series 10's switch back to standalone episodes felt much leaner, fiercer and well-rounded in comparison to previous years. It's a good sign when the audience is sitting there asking for just that extra ten minutes to really get settled into each episode.
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Post by bobod on Aug 17, 2018 10:25:22 GMT
I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I can't imagine Steven Moffat ever writing for Big Finish. I can see him being consulted with and giving notes as RTD has done, especially if a Paternoster Gang spin-off happens. Still I don't think Moffat had a to-do list that included building gaps into the 11th & 12th Doctor timelines for Big Finish to exploit. I just think he is fond of Big Finish and it was a case where giving them gaps didn't effect his plans for the show at all. I wouldn't rule it out completly, although I'd imagine all eyes on Dracula. Beneath the charm and the jokes lies a very giddy fanboy and whose excitment to play with his toys was VERY apparent across his time ( The Pandorcia Opens, The Snowmen) while still pushing them forward into new directions ( Asylum of the Daleks, Strax, The Socerer's Appretience/The Witch's Farmaliar, Missy was very Ainley). There was a definite sense of relish over using the original Doctors in The Day of The Doctor episode and novelisation. He didn't want to write for BF *before* the show came back, he's not going to now.
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Post by bobod on Aug 17, 2018 10:27:07 GMT
The Least Important Man by Steven Moffat Well he is included in The Bennie Treasury ok its from before he was showrunner but I think he will write once he has rested his brain God help me, but I'd totally watch/listen/read a story called The Least Important Man. You can!
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Post by bobod on Aug 17, 2018 10:31:26 GMT
I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I can't imagine Steven Moffat ever writing for Big Finish. I can see him being consulted with and giving notes as RTD has done, especially if a Paternoster Gang spin-off happens. Still I don't think Moffat had a to-do list that included building gaps into the 11th & 12th Doctor timelines for Big Finish to exploit. I just think he is fond of Big Finish and it was a case where giving them gaps didn't effect his plans for the show at all. The Least Important Man by Steven Moffat Well he is included in The Bennie Treasury ok its from before he was showrunner but I think he will write once he has rested his brain He's got choices of TV and movie work laid before him!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 10:47:40 GMT
God help me, but I'd totally watch/listen/read a story called The Least Important Man. You can! Wait, really? I thought it was a gag. *dig* *rummage* *dig* *dig* Ohhh... I had completely forgotten that BF did Benny anthologies back in the day. Wellp, *throws rope over shoulder* time for some archaeology...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 11:24:14 GMT
The Least Important Man by Steven Moffat Well he is included in The Bennie Treasury ok its from before he was showrunner but I think he will write once he has rested his brain He's got choices of TV and movie work laid before him! Once a Doctor Who man always a Doctor Who man it’s in his blood.
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Post by bobod on Aug 17, 2018 11:27:36 GMT
Wait, really? I thought it was a gag. *dig* *rummage* *dig* *dig* Ohhh... I had completely forgotten that BF did Benny anthologies back in the day. Wellp, *throws rope over shoulder* time for some archaeology... Enjoy!
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 17, 2018 11:56:00 GMT
I think people blow this scene way out of proportion. What would be the point in clara saying okay time to die, going back to galifrey just to reshow her death that happened two episodes. Its clearly happened by twice upon a time so does it matter that its not shown? “The long way round” was just a cheeky wink at the audience to hint they may have some adventures and not end the story on a total downer. And fine if you think clara shouldn’t have been brought back in Hell Bent but if she didn’t then it would make the doctors motivations for breaking the wall in heaven sent meaningless and take away its symbolism of the doctor not accepting or “confessing” to her death. I mean sure you could have the doctor do that because he’s angry and wage war on the time lords for technically causing claras death in hell bent but i think thats way more ooc for the doctor than to try and save his friend...ugh oh well i’ve made peace that ill be one of few that love’s Hell Bent and Clara oh and um Shona...yeah i guess she would have been alright. Might have helped if Shona had been in series 9 to help ratings, might have gave them a boost but i dont know really. Could do big finish one day easily tho. They should have just killed her properly to negate the option of her having to go back to accept her death & all that nonsense. Her character had run their course. It would have also been something different for the audience. Here, Here, well said Johnhurtdoctor.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Aug 17, 2018 16:53:42 GMT
The Least Important Man by Steven Moffat Well he is included in The Bennie Treasury ok its from before he was showrunner but I think he will write once he has rested his brain He's got choices of TV and movie work laid before him! And if he does get the itch to write for Who again, I'm sure he hung on to Chibnall's email address.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 17:59:43 GMT
Hey I love Clara just to make it clear but I don’t think there’s a single companion I did not like in the entirety of Docto Who well I take that back(Captain Jack cannot stand the character not the Actor who was excellent in Arrow).I just found the plot became so convoluted and it was a case of she might stay another year she might not stay another year.theres nothing wrong with Clara and actually when Tom baker pulls whatever out of his pocket during and adventure and you think why was that in his pocket?Now we know why,Clara put it there.
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Post by bobod on Aug 18, 2018 14:33:20 GMT
It had only been away a standard gap between seasons. it hadn't had a year off. That came *after* S9.
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Post by mrperson on Aug 18, 2018 17:25:21 GMT
I'm still miffed he went with the "splinters" arc rather than do something like have Asylum happen, then later he meets a younger version of that Clara, travels with her, and ultimately after leaving she ends up in the events of Asylum.
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Post by aemiliapaula on Aug 18, 2018 23:59:11 GMT
I sometimes wish we could have kept the Victorian era Clara...
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