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Post by tuigirl on Nov 5, 2018 19:52:34 GMT
Yeah, I mean, take a second and JUST IMAGINE what could have been done with that material...
but I guess they need to keep it light and fluffy and kid friendly. Which is a bit of a shame, really.
Although, this route appears to be immensely popular, so who I am to judge? As I said, for me, it is by no means bad, and it was just the right thing for me this evening.
But sometimes you just need a bit more meat to your bones.
I need an episode that i want to see again as i only watch once then buy dvd and so far i think only Rosa would be the only episode so far and even then i am not fussed.I remember Pandorica opens and Impossible Planet i was eager for dvd release.There is none of that anticipation with these episodes .But hey like i said Bf provides the real storytelling nuggets I agree. Basically what I think, too. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 19:58:10 GMT
Kid friendly?Not a chance You serious? What marks this episode as not going down that route? I had a confused nephew asking his mummy can men really have babies...bet there will be a few nightmares about that😂 |
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Post by tuigirl on Nov 5, 2018 20:01:45 GMT
You serious? What marks this episode as not going down that route? I had a confused nephew asking his mummy can men really have babies...bet there will be a few nightmares about that😂 Well, this side story about the pregnant guy was not anything new. I actually had exactly the same experience as a kid as your nephew when I watched something where this happened, too (no idea what that was, though). So yeah, has been done before in kid friendly TV. DECADES ago.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Nov 5, 2018 20:49:09 GMT
I had a confused nephew asking his mummy can men really have babies...bet there will be a few nightmares about that😂 Well, this side story about the pregnant guy was not anything new. I actually had exactly the same experience as a kid as your nephew when I watched something where this happened, too (no idea what that was, though). So yeah, has been done before in kid friendly TV. DECADES ago.
Its been done in real life! |
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Post by thethirddoctor on Nov 5, 2018 21:40:16 GMT
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 5, 2018 22:02:21 GMT
I thought you'd at least single out the classic Silurian cameo for mention.  This week's fan-nodding tit-bit. Huh. Hadn't noticed that one either. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 5, 2018 22:06:01 GMT
I do think there is an overarching theme of this series of looking for hope as well as people taking responsibility for their actions. There also seems to be an emphasis on healing/repairing too: a tinkerer Doctor, Graham and Ryan's respective conditions and grief, Grace's influence and even Yaz eagerness for problem solving and trying to resolve things. |
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Nov 5, 2018 22:22:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 22:40:40 GMT
That was horrendous ! Manic, boring, badly acted, and ridiculously silly, I struggled to get through to the end. Loved the little alien guy though. Wonder if its single...better than a dyson Keep yer Dyson, nothing chews up your flooring better than a Henry ! |
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 5, 2018 23:51:45 GMT
It was a solid episode – probably the best post-opening Chibnall episode in terms of being fun and making sense – but I can't help but feel that Doctor Who should be aspiring to more than that. I really didn't like the Yaz/Ryan conversation. I cringed multiple times at how awkwardly forced Yaz's lines were. Who would ask "Who found her?" Is that a thing a person would ask? Once Ryan opened up, it would surely be more natural for him to just tell the whole story without interruptions.
That said, this episode did a much better job of integrating character arcs with the plot with almost all the supporting characters having some kind of personality. But that's a really low bar and it disappoints me that I'm so happy Doctor Who cleared it this week.
So I liked this episode, but I'm coming to terms with the fact that I'm not sure I really like this era of Doctor Who.
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Post by fingersmash on Nov 6, 2018 1:13:12 GMT
I really liked this. The Pting is certainly a merchandise alien rather than a credible threat. I thought that the ship crew were on their way to being Whitaker's Team Not Dead before the guy caught a bad case of the firey explosions. I thought it was a fun, zany adventure with Stitch's third cousin twice removed and a strong supporting cast.
Yaz is still very underserved and I'm at the point of not really wanting this team to continue on and for the Doctor to start fresh with only one companion because you really can't give a Doctor, three companions, and a supporting cast plus the world and the story on top of it the time they all deserve to develop in 50 minutes. Now if they had boosted the series to 90 minute episodes? I think we'd have a different situation and one that would be very welcome to me.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Nov 6, 2018 1:24:17 GMT
I really liked this. The Pting is certainly a merchandise alien rather than a credible threat. I thought that the ship crew were on their way to being Whitaker's Team Not Dead before the guy caught a bad case of the firey explosions. I thought it was a fun, zany adventure with Stitch's third cousin twice removed and a strong supporting cast. Yaz is still very underserved and I'm at the point of not really wanting this team to continue on and for the Doctor to start fresh with only one companion because you really can't give a Doctor, three companions, and a supporting cast plus the world and the story on top of it the time they all deserve to develop in 50 minutes. Now if they had boosted the series to 90 minute episodes? I think we'd have a different situation and one that would be very welcome to me. I would argue that from a creative standpoint that when an audience’s main complaint is that they want more from and of something you are doing your job. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 1:25:47 GMT
Ugh. Some people never are. It’s just an alien man giving birth, some people really are too sensitive and conservative nowadays. It’s a bloody kids show. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 1:27:07 GMT
I really liked this. The Pting is certainly a merchandise alien rather than a credible threat. I thought that the ship crew were on their way to being Whitaker's Team Not Dead before the guy caught a bad case of the firey explosions. I thought it was a fun, zany adventure with Stitch's third cousin twice removed and a strong supporting cast. Yaz is still very underserved and I'm at the point of not really wanting this team to continue on and for the Doctor to start fresh with only one companion because you really can't give a Doctor, three companions, and a supporting cast plus the world and the story on top of it the time they all deserve to develop in 50 minutes. Now if they had boosted the series to 90 minute episodes? I think we'd have a different situation and one that would be very welcome to me. I would argue that from a creative standpoint that when an audience’s main complaint is that they want more from and of something you are doing your job. There are different kinds of wanting more of something. There’s enjoying something and wanting more of it, and there’s wanting more of something to cure your dissatisfaction. This, I feel, comes under the latter. |
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Post by fingersmash on Nov 6, 2018 1:36:02 GMT
I would argue that from a creative standpoint that when an audience’s main complaint is that they want more from and of something you are doing your job. There are different kinds of wanting more of something. There’s enjoying something and wanting more of it, and there’s wanting more of something to cure your dissatisfaction. This, I feel, comes under the latter. The latter is exactly what I'm feeling. The stories are too stuffed. There's no breathing room. I think every single episode so far has needed anywhere from an extra 10 to 30 minutes to build its world and develop its characters. |
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Nov 6, 2018 2:08:29 GMT
I actually find this series has changed my mind about episodes being longer. I used to think that most stories needed an extra ten minutes for pacing, but now we have an extra five/ten minutes the episodes still have all the same problems. They don't need more time; they need to make better use of the time they have.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 2:19:59 GMT
I had a confused nephew asking his mummy can men really have babies...bet there will be a few nightmares about that😂 Well, this side story about the pregnant guy was not anything new. I actually had exactly the same experience as a kid as your nephew when I watched something where this happened, too (no idea what that was, though). So yeah, has been done before in kid friendly TV. DECADES ago.
Well, the story that I referenced with a planet called Gethen (or "Winter" to us humans), The Left Hand of Darkness, where gender only occurs one month in a full year, that was originally published in 1969. Roughly the same time as Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and Ringworld. Left Hand received both a Hugo Award and Nebula Award in 1970, so the concept has been around for at least fifty years in science fiction. There are different kinds of wanting more of something. There’s enjoying something and wanting more of it, and there’s wanting more of something to cure your dissatisfaction. This, I feel, comes under the latter. The latter is exactly what I'm feeling. The stories are too stuffed. There's no breathing room. I think every single episode so far has needed anywhere from an extra 10 to 30 minutes to build its world and develop its characters. In light of the five new Target books that came out in April... I wonder if we'll get a few new, upcomiing novelisations of stories from this season? |
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Post by barnabaslives on Nov 6, 2018 3:40:08 GMT
It was a solid episode – probably the best post-opening Chibnall episode in terms of being fun and making sense – but I can't help but feel that Doctor Who should be aspiring to more than that. I really didn't like the Yaz/Ryan conversation. I cringed multiple times at how awkwardly forced Yaz's lines were. Who would ask "Who found her?" Is that a thing a person would ask? Once Ryan opened up, it would surely be more natural for him to just tell the whole story without interruptions. That said, this episode did a much better job of integrating character arcs with the plot with almost all the supporting characters having some kind of personality. But that's a really low bar and it disappoints me that I'm so happy Doctor Who cleared it this week. So I liked this episode, but I'm coming to terms with the fact that I'm not sure I really like this era of Doctor Who. I took it as Yaz being sympathetic and compassionate (even if at risk of being intrusive) to ask who found Nan, as if Yaz had asked because she already knew the answer, and was already concerned that it might have had some lasting effect on Ryan that she was eager to get to the bottom of, but it did feel a bit klunky like it wasn't really a conversation to have almost out of the blue while just standing around in a corridor, and it did feel somewhat like Yaz had been cheated out of her turn for the spotlight on the human stage again even after we met her family last week. It's a big deal to me that I think the show is doing much better at integrating various parts, even if it were a low bar - like his predecessors, it seems to me as if Chibnall is trying to cram all kinds of things into the show I suppose to make it well rounded, but I think he's doing a much better job stirring once he's stuffed everything into the stewpot, and I've been very pleased about it. Generally I think he has already proven that he can successfully integrate different aspects into the show, hence my joining nucleus in wondering if perhaps there had been extenuating circumstances somewhere in production, since this week it maybe started to seem a little bit like the show had reverted to the Moffat or RTD eras somehow. We'll see what happens, but I certainly do hope Yaz gets more and better opportunities to shine soon. |
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Post by mrperson on Nov 6, 2018 4:58:21 GMT
Bleh.....or is it meh?
Why did it have to be that obnoxious-cutesy awful little thing? Why couldn't it be a swarm of vaguely insect-like things or....welll....or anything that wasn't that. (My wife loved the creature. "It's cute!", she exclaimed).
What else? Yeah, predictable. The moment the general had a condition, you knew she was written to die heroically, yadda yadda.
Indeed, it felt like we had these inserted character development bits that fell flat for me. A chat here, a chat there. Chats that then clanged against comedy bits.
My somewhat common sci-fi gripes resurfaces. Flaws all over the place.
How does the creature propel itself through space? It just kinda floats around? It can digest anything but not very efficiently? Where's the thrust coming from?
It's a thing with a mouth and eyes but can survive the void? You can't just blow it up? They just magic themselves around the universe eating 'energy', reproducing somehow, and one can destroy a fleet (latter point: general commented to that effect). It's absurd. And then they go make it look all cutesy. At least with Daleks, there's a reason: technology! Shields!
Say....why wouldn't the Daleks have worked out a way to adapt these for the Time War? I mean, just attract them to some discs and send them flying at Gallifrey. Sacrifice the crew....
What else?
No, "heat" is not thrust. But that's how it was "explained". In an anti-matter theoretical drive, the annihilation of matter/anti-matter would produce energy which then is directed at another material/propellant to generate exhaust. It doesn't just sit there generating heat. It's like many other kinds of jets/rockets generally. The heat source is what is different.
It takes 12 years to train for this neuro-control but the brother took over no problem?
The magical and miniature space troll ate a great big bomb, then floated off happily into space? What?
A species developing such that both sexes can give birth, but the males have to get sliced open? How did that evolve? I suppose we do have praying mantises but really, that only evolves if the species eats its pregnant males open or somesuch (pre-tech, obviously).
Anyway, there were more things we rolled our eyes at. I wasn't particularly happy. I didn't hate it either. It wasn't "Fear Her," as has been said. We'll see about next week.
That said, I'm really not looking for all the additional "character development" some call for. Frankly, for me there has been too much focus on companion family and companion lives in the new series. Let them show 'character' via what they do over all the stories they're in. I don't want scenes created for the purpose of developing their characters - that usually takes the form of oddly inserted conversations in corridors or whatever, when we suddenly shift from being in a hurry about the mortal threat to dealing with an emotional issue or somesuch.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 5:46:43 GMT
Ugh. Some people never are. It’s just an alien man giving birth, some people really are too sensitive and conservative nowadays. It’s a bloody kids show. “It’s a bloody kids show” Maybe you are right why are WE watching it😂? |
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